Government's Plan For Indiginous People
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I think we have to be realistic- I know I'm not in favour of providing my tax dollars to support people who insist on living in a place where there are no jobs. I was forced to move even when I had a job!
Gotta love "white" people who think they know what's best for indigenous people. You think you know about them when all you know is the history according to the dominant culture which means you know squat about them. Not everybody thinks our "culture" is all that great. The Protestant work ethic is slavery and you all think you are free. You ain't. Leave the indigenous people to work out their own future. It is none of your business. It is not your money that is being spent on reserves, it is theirs: payment for robbing them blind of their land, resources, culture and language. Yup, Clarence Louis is a very successful Apple.
If I thought your words had any credence, I might be inclined to listen. But they don't and I do not listen to the self absorbed egos of little minds.
huh? If people are living in remote locations they have reached an equilibrium with their environment, so why "fix" things? Dozens of rural communities (and plenty of the people in them) in remote locations went extinct because outside people went in and tried "fixing" things.
Any dolt that comes to this house and says we have to move to the city will be laughed at and told to F off. What good is proper English to folks who would never use it? What good is algebra to someone that tans hides?
Their children may want to do more then tan hides.
I think since the promise to provide education was never carried out, that all people in Canada have the right to easy access of education.
A smart country gets ahead and survives.
Countries without access to education stumble and succumb to tribalism and warfare. Sort of like what Islam does to countries.
So obviously they do not require billions of our tax dollars to live in squalor in the bush. If that is what they want then let them just don't expect those of us that contribute to society to pay for it.
Another small mind. You work in the resource industry. The land you extract resources from was once theirs. We stole that land, forced them onto reserves which were the most inhospitable land that we decided was useless until we discovered resources on them and forced them to move onto even more inhospitable land. You think the thief has no responsibility to those they have robbed and I think differently. Except for BC, there were treaties put in place, in the rest of Canada, that were meant to compensate for that theft (but never meant to be kept). It is not your money (it is stolen money) or your taxes (it belongs to the corporation of Canada). The corporation of Canada has an obligation to uphold.
Then the usual thing they do is leave on their own. Some do not like outside lifestyles and they return. I tried city life and disliked it immensely. I found that it dehumanizes people to varying extents. So I live out here. Hubby started out in cities but had enough experience at his uncle's ranch and with hunting and fishing that he prefers rural living as well.
And one of the problems with education is that it grinds away at the same pace as the slowest student while attempting to teach them knowledge without teaching them how to learn. Another one is that the education system teaches people knowledge they do not ever use afterwards. Hubby became a lieutenant firefighter for a municipality as well as being certified in heavy duty mechanics. He took 3 years of French and 12 years of history for nothing. The history he remembers is that which he is interested in and has picked up at various times in his life.
Ahead of what? Survives what?
And the few communities that would prefer to be left alone to do their thing cause that? Canada seems to be surviving well enough as it is.
Of course my words have credence. I have a vote and I have the ability to sway other voters. You should stop being so silly.
Just try to remember, all of you, when I started this thread it was about government plans. I did not have any part in making this plan or have anything to do with it. Some of you are talking like I'm personally interfering.
The thread is for you all to comment and air your thoughts, I would hope respectfully to one another.
I see some good ideas and a few really stupid but thanks to you all anyway.
The only First Nations land I have any contact with is the Six Nations Reserve on the Grand River in S. Ontario. That is a prosperous going concern. Every time I go there, new buildings are going up, everyone's busy, it's a happy place to be.
Doom and gloom reports come in from the far Northern land and I can only assume that the reporting is accurate. Maybe that's a mistake, it might be political propaganda. ?????
Government gives money to First Nations and there doesn't seem to be any accountability. If government is going to give them several billion more I think it is everyone taxpayer's business to know where that money is going, why and whether it is necessary and constructive.
I often think about the youths who came (were brought) to the U of Regina from remote locations. They were academically qualified to register for University but they were ill prepared socially. They were terrified, wouldn't even speak for themselves. Their white sponsor did all the talking. It occurred to me that those youths had never been around white people, possibly had never been to the city before and I can understand how frightening it would be for them and how difficult it would be for them to be in the new environment as permanent students.
I was a farm kid myself who had to go to the city to find work and I found it was not pleasant, there was a lot of adjustment to make. I never did like living in the city but it was necessary to make a living for myself and my child. And I had not been nearly as isolated in my growing up years as those youths in Regina!
The thread is for you all to comment and air your thoughts, I would hope respectfully to one another.
I see some good ideas and a few really stupid but thanks to you all anyway.
The only First Nations land I have any contact with is the Six Nations Reserve on the Grand River in S. Ontario. That is a prosperous going concern. Every time I go there, new buildings are going up, everyone's busy, it's a happy place to be.
Doom and gloom reports come in from the far Northern land and I can only assume that the reporting is accurate. Maybe that's a mistake, it might be political propaganda. ?????
Government gives money to First Nations and there doesn't seem to be any accountability. If government is going to give them several billion more I think it is everyone taxpayer's business to know where that money is going, why and whether it is necessary and constructive.
I often think about the youths who came (were brought) to the U of Regina from remote locations. They were academically qualified to register for University but they were ill prepared socially. They were terrified, wouldn't even speak for themselves. Their white sponsor did all the talking. It occurred to me that those youths had never been around white people, possibly had never been to the city before and I can understand how frightening it would be for them and how difficult it would be for them to be in the new environment as permanent students.
I was a farm kid myself who had to go to the city to find work and I found it was not pleasant, there was a lot of adjustment to make. I never did like living in the city but it was necessary to make a living for myself and my child. And I had not been nearly as isolated in my growing up years as those youths in Regina!
You're right on that score, Cliffy and he's not the only one on here. I never could understand why people like to pick on an entire demographic. (Oh yeah, I guess they call it stereotyping)
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Pushers are equal to pullers. Get it?
Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law without discrimination and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
Subsection (1) does not preclude any law, program or activity that has as its object the amelioration of conditions of disadvantaged individuals or groups including those that are disadvantaged because of race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.
This section of the Charter makes it clear that every individual in Canada – regardless of race, religion, national or ethnic origin, colour, sex, age or physical or mental disability – is to be considered equal. This means that governments must not discriminate on any of these grounds in its laws or programs.
The courts have held that section 15 also protects equality on the basis of other characteristics that are not specifically set out in it. For example, this section has been held to prohibit discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation.
The Supreme Court of Canada has stated that the purpose of section 15 is to protect those groups who suffer social, political and legal disadvantage in society. Discrimination occurs where, for example, a person, because of a personal characteristic, suffers disadvantages or is denied opportunities available to other members of society.
At the same time as it protects equality, the Charter also allows for certain laws or programs that favour disadvantaged individuals or groups. For example, programs aimed at improving employment opportunities for women, Aboriginal peoples, visible minorities, or those with mental or physical disabilities are allowed under section 15(2) .
Pushers are equal to pullers. Get it?