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Christ I wish I had a warm mud hole like that.
 

AnnaG

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Christ I wish I had a warm mud hole like that.
It is too crowded for my liking. I want to be able to stretch out. Besides, those pointy things on their heads could become uncomfortable if placed wrong.

I thought the beavers prefer this kind of water after making dams :smile: [/CENTER]
So to you, beavers are cape buffalo and mudholes are dams? oooookay then
 

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Nothing wrong with books, Ludlow. I am an avid reader and have a fairly decent sized library in my home. The trouble comes when people rely on the words in books rather than their own god-given brains to make choices in life.
 

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Nothing wrong with books, Ludlow. I am an avid reader and have a fairly decent sized library in my home. The trouble comes when people rely on the words in books rather than their own god-given brains to make choices in life.
I'm not real familiar with the Quran . My knowledge of Islam is pretty much limited to the five pillars which I studied many years ago. As far as the bible goes it is a collection of books written by several different men most of which are anonymous. Regardless of who is ascribed authorship. I've found positive messages in many of them and some things I don't agree with. To put the writings of fallible men up on an alter and revere them as being Gods word is just something I've come to not believe in. I think all three of the Abrahamic religions believe in the infallibility of the books. I guess they can do that if it's what they choose to believe.
 

Twila

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The trouble comes when people rely on the words in books rather than their own god-given brains to make choices in life.

but god didn't give them brains to understand, only brains to memorize and repeat.

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding - Proverbs 3:5

The manual says so.
 

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but god didn't give them brains to understand, only brains to memorize and repeat.

Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding - Proverbs 3:5

The manual says so.
I guess though it may be a thing where there is something to hold on to when life gets to be a bitch. We all need some sense of hope some time in our lives I would think. Many ways to look at things I guess.
 

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The contrary of your words is true.
People disobey God and have all such miseries which you talk about.

See it in the marvelous chapter 26 of the Book of Levites (or Priests.) 14-33
This glorious chapter is now applicable to Muslims who have the Quran and yet they work contrary to it.

"14 “But if you will not listen to me and will not do all these commandments, 15 if you spurn my statutes, and if your soul abhors my rules, so that you will not do all my commandments, but break my covenant, 16 then I will do this to you:

I will visit you with panic, with wasting disease and fever that consume the eyes and make the heart ache.
And you shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.
17 I will set my face against you, and you shall be struck down before your enemies. Those who hate you shall rule over you, and you shall flee when none pursues you.

18 And if in spite of this you will not listen to me, then I will discipline you again sevenfold for your sins,
19 and I will break the pride of your power,
and I will make your heavens like iron and your earth like bronze.
20 And your strength shall be spent in vain, for your land shall not yield its increase, and the trees of the land shall not yield their fruit.

21 “Then if you walk contrary to me and will not listen to me, I will continue striking you, sevenfold for your sins.
22 And I will let loose the wild beasts against you, which shall bereave you of your children and destroy your livestock and make you few in number, so that your roads shall be deserted.

23 “And if by this discipline you are not turned to me but walk contrary to me,
24 then I also will walk contrary to you, and I myself will strike you sevenfold for your sins.
25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall execute vengeance for the covenant.
And if you gather within your cities, I will send pestilence among you, and you shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.
26 When I break your supply of bread, ten women shall bake your bread in a single oven
and shall dole out your bread again by weight, and you shall eat and not be satisfied.

27 “But if in spite of this you will not listen to me, but walk contrary to me,
28 then I will walk contrary to you in fury, and I myself will discipline you sevenfold for your sins.
29 You shall eat the flesh of your sons, and you shall eat the flesh of your daughters.
30 And I will destroy your high places
and cut down your incense altars
and cast your dead bodies upon the dead bodies of your idols,
and my soul will abhor you.
31 And I will lay your cities waste and will make your sanctuaries desolate, and I will not smell your pleasing aromas.
32 And I myself will devastate the land, so that your enemies who settle in it shall be appalled at it.
33 And I will scatter you among the nations,
and I will unsheathe the sword after you,
and your land shall be a desolation, and your cities shall be a waste.

So this is now the exact description of the condition and circumstances of Muslims in their many countries.
I don't know what Bible you quote from. mine is the Good News. You are quoting from Leviticus - The Old Testament. Christians are directed not to forget the old testament BUT to follow the New Testament. My bible states only the word "you" in regard to disobeying His word. It does not state children. You need to obey and use the New Testament.
 

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I'm not real familiar with the Quran . My knowledge of Islam is pretty much limited to the five pillars which I studied many years ago. As far as the bible goes it is a collection of books written by several different men most of which are anonymous. Regardless of who is ascribed authorship. I've found positive messages in many of them and some things I don't agree with. To put the writings of fallible men up on an alter and revere them as being Gods word is just something I've come to not believe in. I think all three of the Abrahamic religions believe in the infallibility of the books. I guess they can do that if it's what they choose to believe.

Oh Jeez, I think I just hit the red instead of the green, Lud. Ignore it, think Green. :smile:

I was raised in the Catholic faith. My entire family and the majority of our close family friends were all Catholic. I was christened and had my first communion ceremony followed by confirmation when I was older. I went to Catholic kindergarten, grade school and high school all taught by nuns. I sang in the church choir. In high school was a member of the Sodality.

Growing up I probably attended some kind of service or another twice a week, more frequently during holy days. From grades one to 8, we had a hour of catechism study every school day taught by a priest.

I was about as Catholic as could be and yet I never really bought into the whole thing. I went through the motions because it was expected of me and I had five younger sisters for whom I had to 'set an example.'

The thing about Catholics is they really value a good education and I thank my good graces that I was lucky enough to attend a Catholic school as I received a top notch education. Trouble is, the more educated I became, the more I questioned my 'faith'. There were just too many conundrums, disparities and illusions. For example, to me confession was no more than a license to sin. After all, no matter how 'bad' you were, all you had to do was chat with this guy behind the mesh, say a few prayers and you were on your way sin-free and totally guiltless. As if.

I married in the church and attended the major holy day masses, mainly for the benefit of my family as I lived in the same city and we all went to Holy Rosary Cathedral. As soon as my husband and moved across the country to BC, I dropped all pretense of being Catholic. I attended a couple of Midnight masses when home visiting my family, always did enjoy all the pomp and circumstance surrounding that mass and besides there's always a great party at someone's house after the kneeling and praying is done.

I casually studied a variety of other religions and identified with some teachings in many of them but none as a whole. Then I came across the Rede of the Wicca and felt an instant connection. An it harm none, Do what ye will. How simple is that and yet how all encompassing.
 

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Oh Jeez, I think I just hit the red instead of the green, Lud. Ignore it, think Green. :smile:

I was raised in the Catholic faith. My entire family and the majority of our close family friends were all Catholic. I was christened and had my first communion ceremony followed by confirmation when I was older. I went to Catholic kindergarten, grade school and high school all taught by nuns. I sang in the church choir. In high school was a member of the Sodality.

Growing up I probably attended some kind of service or another twice a week, more frequently during holy days. From grades one to 8, we had a hour of catechism study every school day taught by a priest.

I was about as Catholic as could be and yet I never really bought into the whole thing. I went through the motions because it was expected of me and I had five younger sisters for whom I had to 'set an example.'

The thing about Catholics is they really value a good education and I thank my good graces that I was lucky enough to attend a Catholic school as I received a top notch education. Trouble is, the more educated I became, the more I questioned my 'faith'. There were just too many conundrums, disparities and illusions. For example, to me confession was no more than a license to sin. After all, no matter how 'bad' you were, all you had to do was chat with this guy behind the mesh, say a few prayers and you were on your way sin-free and totally guiltless. As if.

I married in the church and attended the major holy day masses, mainly for the benefit of my family as I lived in the same city and we all went to Holy Rosary Cathedral. As soon as my husband and moved across the country to BC, I dropped all pretense of being Catholic. I attended a couple of Midnight masses when home visiting my family, always did enjoy all the pomp and circumstance surrounding that mass and besides there's always a great party at someone's house after the kneeling and praying is done.

I casually studied a variety of other religions and identified with some teachings in many of them but none as a whole. Then I came across the Rede of the Wicca and felt an instant connection. An it harm none, Do what ye will. How simple is that and yet how all encompassing.
Karen Armstrong shares a similar story in her life as a nun in the book Spiral Staircase. It's a good book I recommend it to anyone who likes to read biographical stuff,
 

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To be God obsessed is to be fanatical God does not intervene anyway
so good luck with that. God does not punish either our actions set out
the measure of punishment in the eyes of the law.
Taking life from a book written by who knows is not my preference in
life. Tyrants are often the people they accuse of being tyrants given the
same level of powers
 

Ludlow

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To be God obsessed is to be fanatical God does not intervene anyway
so good luck with that. God does not punish either our actions set out
the measure of punishment in the eyes of the law.
Taking life from a book written by who knows is not my preference in
life. Tyrants are often the people they accuse of being tyrants given the
same level of powers
to be fair it's not all fire and brimstone. There are some fairly decent moral lessons in the stories and myths

do you see that one cow who'd keeping it's face clean? whats up with him?
He's trying not to fit in.
 

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Oh Jeez, I think I just hit the red instead of the green, Lud. Ignore it, think Green. :smile:

I was raised in the Catholic faith.encompassing.

my upbringing and yours were very similar, catholic school, lots of inschool religion, all the ceremonies
and all the confessions, then all is forgiven, and I like you began questioning all of this as the
years went on, my husband was raised the same in an Italian family, we started our lives doing what
we knew would satisfy the families, but gradually completely backed off, our children had the
basic catholic teachings, but as they grew, we told them to find their own way with religion,
whatever they wanted, but we have not had anything to do with any religion, and feel so happy
and free because of it.
when I look back to my childhood in regards to being a catholic child, I see so many things that
are very counterproductive to the successful rearing of any child, the main one being fear,
'if you do this, this will happen to you', and its all rubbish.
 

AnnaG

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I am not any Satan worshipper; in fact, I seek God's refuge from Satan so many times in every day and at every occasion.

But you are not God-fearing; if you truly fear God, you will go and study the Quran and hold fast with the First Commandment and other commandments and will believe in God's messenger Mohammed and the Quran revealed to him.
But you prefer to be fanatic and follow your fathers blindly and will lose in your afterlife.
If a god was merciful and just and all-powerful and all-seeing and all-that-other-hogwash it should have no need of fearful humans. Meh you have a malicious, immature, and unintelligent god who likes punishing babies and children.

What is Taqiyya?
Deception used to promote Islam and defeat non-believers. TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Taqiyya and Lying

I'm not real familiar with the Quran . My knowledge of Islam is pretty much limited to the five pillars which I studied many years ago. As far as the bible goes it is a collection of books written by several different men most of which are anonymous. Regardless of who is ascribed authorship. I've found positive messages in many of them and some things I don't agree with. To put the writings of fallible men up on an alter and revere them as being Gods word is just something I've come to not believe in. I think all three of the Abrahamic religions believe in the infallibility of the books. I guess they can do that if it's what they choose to believe.
Hubby says faith is simply the belief that what you hope to be true actually is true.
Andy Carnegie said, "He that cannot reason is a fool. He that will not is a bigot. He that dare not is a slave."

It looks like 3 of us were intended to be Catholic robo.... er people.
 
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