God does not wrong people

[tay]

People make war because of their gods: this is true; but the One God is different. He invites people to live in this World in peace and safety; and even to be safe in Paradise or Heaven in the Next Life.
While the enemies of God: it is they who stir wars and make destruction everywhere.

So such assertion that wars are because of God -- this is untrue and is a fallacy.
Wars occur among people because of their wronging each other and because they disobey God's commandments, specially the First One and so they fall in the idolatry and many gods and blasphemy and atheism and so they will divide and be many sects and then fighting and wars occur among them.

Wars took place among Jews on account of their disobedience and association and so they were punished by the fighting and wars that they did among themselves.

The Disagreement of the

Yes that's part of the problem; the one good god......

I have not seen any evidence that prayers and fasting can heal illnesses. If that were the case, churches would have run hospitals out of work. Prayers make people (who are predisposed) to feel good about themselves. But that’s it – they never grow the limbs of amputees.


Most of my Nigerian friends (doctors) are Pentecostal Christians. They are well-educated people with several postgraduate degrees but, somehow, a lot of them still believe that evil spirits, witches and demons are responsible for diseases. They still believe that prayers and fasting can alter the outcome of illnesses. This makes me to draw the conclusion that religion has the power to make people to hold contradictory ideas at the same time, and that education in itself does not immunize against religious indoctrination. As you know, the leaders of many jihadist organisations are also well-educated people. The Nigerian underwear suicide bomber, Abdulmutallab, was a student in one of the UK's most prestigious universities. In 2007, Glasgow airport was nearly blown up by two medical doctors in a jihadist terrorist plot.

The Destructive Effects Of Religion On The Nigerian Society By Dr. Ijabla Raymond & Mr. Biodun Aiyegboyin | Sahara Reporters

 

[Curious Cdn]

No, Cinnamon, I am only telling you, lest you hide your head under the sand like the ostrich, and shut your ears lest you hear.

What? No explosive belt to teach us Kafirs of Allah's "love"?

 

[selfsame]

Yes that's part of the problem; the one good god......

I don't defend Muslims, I invite to God's religion of the Tawheed or the 'exclusive devotion to God alone' having no son, parents or equals.

But when I see others take it a pretext or a plea about the acts of some Muslims, in order to blame the Islam religion and to blaspheme in God, because most of such people on this forum and elsewhere are atheists and they follow their organization or party programs; then I say my words to defend God's religion, and the Quran.

In fact, who believes in my words and be like my belief and follow the interpretation and call of the late interpreter Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly?
Truly, none but only very few among Muslims even.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/index.htm#Quran_interpretation

 

[Curious Cdn]

I don't defend Muslims, I invite to God's religion of the Tawheed or the 'exclusive devotion to God alone' having no son, parents or equals.

But when I see others take it a pretext or a plea about the acts of some Muslims, in order to blame the Islam religion and to blaspheme in God, because most of such people on this forum and elsewhere are atheists and they follow their organization or party programs; then I say my words to defend God's religion, and the Quran.

In fact, who believes in my words and be like me? Truly, none but only very few among Muslims even.

Yes, just you and the other Satan worshippers ...

 

[selfsame]

Yes, just you and the other Satan worshippers ...

I am not any Satan worshipper; in fact, I seek God's refuge from Satan so many times in every day and at every occasion.

But you are not God-fearing; if you truly fear God, you will go and study the Quran and hold fast with the First Commandment and other commandments and will believe in God's messenger Mohammed and the Quran revealed to him.
But you prefer to be fanatic and follow your fathers blindly and will lose in your afterlife.

 

[tay]

I'm thinking that whoever wrote down the supposed enlightments or teachings from the various gods in multiple books got it wrong and any who follow those books are wrong.....


Do you think if religions are reformed for example by removing the verses that promote segregation, violence, slavery etc, perhaps they could be of some benefit to humanity?

Ijabla Raymond: Morality predates religion. My view is that you don't need religion to be a good person. But I do think that the world would be a far better place if the violent and bigoted verses in religious holy books were expunged. For instance, we won't have jihadist terrorism and groups like Boko Haram, Al-qaeda and Alshabab; gay people will not be discriminated against; the internecine wars between religious groups (such as Muslims vs. Christians) or within religious groups (e.g. Shia vs. Sunni) would end.

The Destructive Effects Of Religion On The Nigerian Society By Dr. Ijabla Raymond & Mr. Biodun Aiyegboyin | Sahara Reporters

 

[Curious Cdn]

Who said that there is any connection between God and the Koran? I'm supposed to take the word of Satan worshippers who have been hoodwinked into following a false prophet? You just haven't put all of the evidence together in your head yet that Islam is actually a Satanic death cult and that you are enabling demons with explosives belts.

 

[selfsame]

Who said that there is any connection between God and the Koran? I'm supposed to take the word of Satan worshippers who have been hoodwinked into following a false prophet? You just haven't put all of the evidence together in your head yet that Islam is actually a Satanic death cult and that you are enabling demons with explosives belts.

God does not want people to fight each other; on the contrary, God wants people to be kind to each other, specially to the weak and the needy. This is so obvious in the Quran.

But when disbelievers persecute and attack the prophet and the believers with him, what will they do?

This is true for all prophets and messengers of God; the necessity of war is only to defend believers and defend the religion of God.

Quran 22: 39-40
[The associaters or the idolaters hurt and beat the Muslims in Mecca, so the Muslims came to God’s messenger and complained their condition to him, and said: “Let us fight them.”
And he said: “I have not been ordered to fight them; forbear patiently until God will decide.”
Afterwards, when they emigrated to Medina, this aya was revealed, which was the first aya revealed about fighting:]
39. Those who are fought, are now given permission [to fight] a because they have been wronged [by the associaters]; and surely God is Most Able to help them with victory b.

40. Those who have been driven out of [Mecca] their home-town without right [of the associaters on them], but only for that they said: "Our Lord is God" c.

And had it not been for that God restrains people: some men by means of others d, cloisters [of Christians, which are on mountains and in the rural areas], and churches and prayers [would have been forsaken] and [the Muslim places of worship: the] mosques – wherein God's name is mentioned much [in the times of the five prayers every day] would have been destroyed e.
But God will surely help those who help His [cause]; surely God is Most Powerful, All-Mighty.}
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a i.e. it means: The believers are now permitted to fight.

b This in fact is a promise by God to them as for to help them against their enemies.

c It means: They have no sin against them, but only that they said: “Our god is God, and we do not worship anyone else.” So the associaters considered such words a sin, because they refused to worship their idols.

d It means: Had it not that God set the believers on the disbelievers and they killed and terminated them, the disbelief would have prevailed, the prayers and God’s worship forsaken, and the mosques and the places of worship would have been destroyed, as in the following sentence in the aya.

e The Jewish places of worship are called the K'nesset or the Synagogue, while Sabaeans call them: Mandi.

Read this link for the true explanation of such fighting and wars:
صفحة جديدة 1

Who said that there is any connection between God and the Koran? I'm supposed to take the word of Satan worshippers who have been hoodwinked into following a false prophet? You just haven't put all of the evidence together in your head yet that Islam is actually a Satanic death cult and that you are enabling demons with explosives belts.

No, your assertions are not correct.

The Glorious Quran is the word of God, for the following reasons:
1- The Quran invites people to worship God alone without associate, son, daughters, parents or any peer (which is in fact the First Commandment, the most important of all the commandments and is the axis of God's religion.)
2- The Quran confirms the previous heavenly books: the Torah of Moses and the Books of the Prophets and the Gospel of Jesus.
3- The Quran agrees with most of the statements of the previous heavenly books, but at the same time it is not identical with them; it gives some different statements because of the different situations and circumstances.
4- It includes the correction of the mistakes and alterations that happened in the previous Torah and Gospel, specially the lies against the prophets which had been written by Ezra son of Siraeh.
5-The Quran explains much about the Next Life (more than the previous heavenly books do), and about Doomsday events, and portents of Doomsday.
6- It included many foretelling about the unknown future which came to be true.
7-It gives details about the reward of Paradise and the punishment in Hell more than the other books give.
8-The Quran gives more explanation about the story of the prophets and their people.
9- The Quran came with its fluency and eloquence of language and none of the Arab could do something like it.

In addition to many other things included in the Glorious Quran, which will increase the wisdom of one who wants to increase his knowledge and seek after the good-pleasure of God.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/index.htm#Quran_interpretation

 

[DaSleeper]

 

[selfsame]

Ohu, DaSleeper awoke; get back to sleep together with your buffaloes.

The Disagreement of the

Who said that there is any connection between God and the Koran? I'm supposed to take the word of Satan worshippers who have been hoodwinked into following a false prophet? You just haven't put all of the evidence together in your head yet that Islam is actually a Satanic death cult and that you are enabling demons with explosives belts.

On the contrary, the Quran warns people of the traps and deceit of Satan and his devils and demons.
As in a large number of the Quran ayat; e.g. Quran 35: 6, which means:

((6. To you Satan is an enemy h; so take him for an enemy [and do not follow his orders.]
He calls his party i [in the life of the World] only that [in the Next Life] they may be among the inhabitants of the Blaze.))
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h So he invites you to your destruction, disgrace and shame.

i To the disbelief and association and to God’s disobedience.

If one likes to have more information and a valuable knowledge about the devils and Satan, let him refer to the book:
Man after Death by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, which is displayed on the internet web, then from the Contents choose Devils and Satan.

http://www.quran-ayat.com/man/1.htm#Satan_[or_Ibliess_or_Beelzebub]_

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Explanation example about that God does not wrong anyone in this life of the World and in the Next Life:
It is like a worker in a company: if the worker does good and gives good results and advantages to the company, the director of the company will reward him.
But if this worker behaves badly and contrary to the regulations of the company, he will be punished by some kinds of punishment.
So the fault is not of the company director, but from the worker.
So this is the example: the punishment that God inflicts man is not because He does not want to be Kind to them, but it is from people who blaspheme, and wrong each other and chose to adopt peers to God and associate with their Lord in the worship and gratitude.

E.g. if one asks some of the Shia: "How are you today?"
Some of them say: "I am well, by the favor of God and the family of the prophet!"
So here they associate the family of the prophet with God in their gratitude; and in fact this one should say: "I am well, by the favor of God alone!"

Similarly, if a Christian faces some difficulty, he may exclaim: "O Jesus!"
So here this Christian has associated Jesus with God when he sought the help of Jesus rather than God's help. So he should exclaim: "O God Almighty!"

Moreover, when a Jewish woman goes to the tomb of Rachel and ask from her her request, then this Jewish woman has associated Rachel with God rather than she should pray God alone for her needs.

Quran Man after Death

 

[Mowich]

Ohu, DaSleeper awoke; get back to sleep together with your buffaloes.

The Disagreement of the




On the contrary, the Quran warns people of the traps and deceit of Satan and his devils and demons.
As in a large number of the Quran ayat; e.g. Quran 35: 6, which means:

((6. To you Satan is an enemy h; so take him for an enemy [and do not follow his orders.]
He calls his party i [in the life of the World] only that [in the Next Life] they may be among the inhabitants of the Blaze.))
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h So he invites you to your destruction, disgrace and shame.

i To the disbelief and association and to God’s disobedience.

If one likes to have more information and a valuable knowledge about the devils and Satan, let him refer to the book:
Man after Death by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly, which is displayed on the internet web, then from the Contents choose Devils and Satan.

_]Man after Death

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Explanation example about that God does not wrong anyone in this life of the World and in the Next Life:
It is like a worker in a company: if the worker does good and gives good results and advantages to the company, the director of the company will reward him.
But if this worker behaves badly and contrary to the regulations of the company, he will be punished by some kinds of punishment.
So the fault is not of the company director, but from the worker.
So this is the example: the punishment that God inflicts man is not because He does not want to be Kind to them, but it is from people who blaspheme, and wrong each other and chose to adopt peers to God and associate with their Lord in the worship and gratitude.

E.g. if one asks some of the Shia: "How are you today?"
Some of them say: "I am well, by the favor of God and the family of the prophet!"
So here they associate the family of the prophet with God in their gratitude; and in fact this one should say: "I am well, by the favor of God alone!"

Similarly, if a Christian faces some difficulty, he may exclaim: "O Jesus!"
So here this Christian has associated Jesus with God when he sought the help of Jesus rather than God's help. So he should exclaim: "O God Almighty!"

Moreover, when a Jewish woman goes to the tomb of Rachel and ask from her her request, then this Jewish woman has associated Rachel with God rather than she should pray God alone for her needs.

Quran Man after Death

 

[Ludlow]

All these religions speak about worshipping idols. I wonder if anyone has thought that maybe their book that they always refer to, has become an idol.

 

[selfsame]

All these religions speak about worshipping idols. I wonder if anyone has thought that maybe their book that they always refer to, has become an idol.

This is one of your obvious fallacies.

What's the relation?

 

[Ludlow]

This is one of your obvious fallacies.


What's the relation?

No, you worship a book. Without your book you'd have no one to worship. When challenged on any issue you fall back on your book as the final authority. Your god, is your book.

 

[selfsame]

No, you worship a book. Without your book you'd have no one to worship. When challenged on any issue you fall back on your book as the final authority. Your god, is your book.

I remember I told you that you are a Devil or a follower of Satan?

 

[Ludlow]

I remember I told you that you are a Devil or a follower of Satan?

Which one? The Zoroastrian bad guy ,,,the Islam bad guy or the Christian bad guy ? Look Selfie your religion is not the only one who worships a leather bound deity. Don't feel like you be the only one.

And if that makes you happy then good. Just stop trying to convert everyone. That's where you rub folks the wrong way. Live and let live.

 

[Twila]

All HAIL SATAN!!!!!

or whatever.

 

[AnnaG]

god, through the auspices of a bunch of mostly non athiest enginerds and politards, has just pretty much wiped out the evil northI thought it was the CEO of goldman sachs that was supposed to be doing Gods work

hahaha Awesome!

The children are involved in a way to punish their parents. Also their cattle and their land: the rain will stop coming down.

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Some people here object saying: what's the fault or sin of children so that they are involved in the punishment which the adults deserve according to their atheism, idolatry, wrong-doing and disobedience to God's commandments!?

The answer is that: the children are involved in the affliction in order to sadden and punish the parents.

That is what we have been saying. So this is very strong evidence that your god is not merciful. If it was it would not "punish" the innocent for the deeds of the adults.
Not only is your god merciless for "punishing" the innocent, but your god is a loathesome, malicious, and immature idiot.

 

[selfsame]

Here is the interpretation of this aya 25: 20

{And We made some of you [: the messengers and their peoples] a trial for others a; will you [: messengers] show patience [or lose patience: this is Our trial of you.]}
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a i.e. We made the messengers a trial for their peoples, and the peoples a trial for their messengers (or apostles.)

It means: We send the messenger to his people to try them: will they believe or turn away from the belief; and We try the messenger by the hurt of his people: will he forbear their hurt or lose patience.

Therefore, it is required of the messengers (or apostles) to forbear the hurt of their peoples, and it is required of the people to believe in their messenger (or apostle); and by so doing We try some of them with the others.

The interpretation is by Mohammed-Ali Hassan Al-Hilly.

 

[lone wolf]

With Gods, I have no problem. It's the bureaucrats/middle persons with whom I take issue