Andrew Coyne: Conservatives need rebirth before they can rebuild

[AnnaG]

eeyeaaaah right

neoconservatism | political philosophy | Britannica.com

Radical libertarianism under Harpy? hahahahah

 

[coldstream]

eeyeaaaah right

neoconservatism | political philosophy | Britannica.com

Radical libertarianism under Harpy? hahahahah

Neoconservatism, the political ideology that combines features of
traditional conservatism with
political individualism and
a endorsement of free markets.

From your own link. Essentially Neoconservativism is a promotion of radical individualism and moral relativism that is at the core of Libertarianism.

It denies a role for responsible government or institutions in defining the moral laws of the country and the ethical management of its economy. It's bible is Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. It defines Harper to tee.. and Mulroney and Chretien.. which is why the country is in such a mess.

The manifestation is a capitulation to supranational pools of capital under the mantra the 'greed is good.. that one must only serve the self.. unto economic and social collapse.

I rest my case.

 

[AnnaG]

From your own link. Essentially Neoconservativism is a promotion of radical individualism and moral relativism that is at the core of Libertarianism.

It denies a role for responsible government or institutions in defining the moral laws of the country and the ethical management of its economy. It's bible is Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. It defines Harper to tee.. and Mulroney and Chretien.. which is why the country is in such a mess.

The manifestation is a capitulation to supranational pools of capital under the mantra the 'greed is good.. that one must only serve the self.. and economic and social collapse.

I rest my case.

And this has what to do with Harper?

 

[coldstream]

Harper followed the NeoCon script to the letter.

 

[AnnaG]

Harper followed the NeoCon script to the letter.

uhuh sure he did

 

[mentalfloss]

Libertarianism isn't a coherent philosophy anyway.


What the NEW conservatives should focus on is creating revenue instead of the constantly failed attempts at austerity. They need to give up this naive ideology that government should stay out of one's lives. That's just koolaid, government will ALWAYS EXIST, so they need to stimulate the economy and get GDP growth.

On the social side, they just need get out of reverse and put the car in neutral and they should be fine.

 

[Colpy]

Libertarianism isn't a coherent philosophy anyway.


What the NEW conservatives should focus on is creating revenue instead of the constantly failed attempts at austerity. They need to give up this naive ideology that government should stay out of one's lives. That's just koolaid, government will ALWAYS EXIST, so they need to stimulate the economy and get GDP growth.

On the social side, they just need get out of reverse and put the car in neutral and they should be fine.

It is the Conservative Party, not the NDP.

 

[mentalfloss]

The Liberal party is already the NDP.

 

[Mowich]

Oh how I wish we had them here.

All one has to do is look at those on this forum that identify themselves as Conservative and ask yourself, would I vote for them if they were running in an election? The fact that these Conservative supporters are more concerned with childish insults of other parties and leaders than dealing with their own issues says an awful lot.

Well thanks for the vote of non-confidence in our abilities to run in an election but you really have to give your head a shake if an internet forum is the place you are looking for candidates.

The Conservatives poblem is that in recent years.. and certainly under Steven Harper they were NEVER really Conservative.

They were NEOconservative.. which is a euphemism for Classic British Liberalism.. or radical Libertarianism.

Real Conservatives believe in dirigiste, nationalistic, planned economies.. they believe in the role of institutions in the social structure (like real marriage.. like the formative Christian religion in Western Civilization).. in equitable sharing of wealth.. in responsible Free Enterprise, rather than predatory and exploitative Free Markets. They believe in public ownership of natural monopolies and regulation of markets in the common interest. They believe in traditional values, in family, are pro life.

Harper capitualted to supranational oligarchies of financial and trading interests. He guaranteed himself millions of dollars in board memberships and appointments by selling out his country (along with his sidekick Flaherty). He gave lip service but NEVER any support to conservative social causes.. in which he had virtually no interest.

He is out of office because he's a lying, incompetent, drooling little prick.. without an iota or integrity or real patriotism.. who has done immense damage to Canada.

Wow. I learned a new word.

Dirigiste

1.Directed by a central authority; as, a dirigiste economy; with respect to economics, opposed to free-market. See also dirigisme.
Carry on. :smile:

 

[WLDB]

All one has to do is look at those on this forum that identify themselves as Conservative and ask yourself, would I vote for them if they were running in an election?

I could potentially vote for Colpy. Not sure if CDNbear identifies as conservative exactly but I could vote for him too. But yeah overall, not so much.

 

[JLM]

I could potentially vote for Colpy. Not sure if CDNbear identifies as conservative exactly but I could vote for him too. But yeah overall, not so much.

Yeah, those two would qualify I think......................got to thinking about Walter too.....................he probably wouldn't take any sh*t from anyone!

Oh how I wish we had them here.



:smile:

In lieu of Crispy you think?

 

[Mowich]

Yeah, those two would qualify I think......................got to thinking about Walter too.....................he probably wouldn't take any sh*t from anyone!



In lieu of Crispy you think?

In lieu of all the mainstream parties we have now, JLM. I will be voting Green next election.

I nominate RCS. :smile:

 

[Bar Sinister]

All one has to do is look at those on this forum that identify themselves as Conservative and ask yourself, would I vote for them if they were running in an election? The fact that these Conservative supporters are more concerned with childish insults of other parties and leaders than dealing with their own issues says an awful lot.

There may be a simple reason for the various insults delivered by certain forum members and that is that for the most part many of them catch be bothered to do the research to deliver an intelligent reply. As a result they resort to the easiest way out and that is to attempt to insult the intelligence of others. Interestingly, that doesn't really work very well as it reveals how weak their positions are.

One interesting but somewhat ignored part of the Liberal's last campaign platform was the promise to reform the electoral system. If Canada does go for proportional representation it will pretty much end the Conservative party given the fact that historically 60% plus of Canadians tend to vote left of centre. No conservative party since 1980 has received 50% or more of the vote and I don't see that happening again soon.

 

[personal touch]

BC Liberals are conservatives. To say otherwise is a stretch. Ask any lefty how they feel about them.

we all have a little conservative,a little NDP and a little Liberal,
we know when to move them,when to fold them,and when to kick them,
this should be done frequently so no party can have momentum.

1. All one has to do is look at those on this forum that identify themselves as Conservative and ask yourself, would I vote for them if they were running in an election? The fact that these Conservative supporters are more concerned with childish insults of other parties and leaders than dealing with their own issues says an awful lot.

conservatives are always mad,this results on little progression and nil visonary input,this is a problem,and i for one is going to watch how the conservatives are going to handle all these impotent thinkers amongst them.
conservatives are always mad or hating .....then again i love the conservatives who are lovers,the Conservative party is not enough vanilla for me.

 

[Cannuck]

Well thanks for the vote of non-confidence in our abilities to run in an election but you really have to give your head a shake if an internet forum is the place you are looking for candidates.

I'm not looking for candidates here.

conservatives are always mad or hating ......

Nope. I'm a conservative and I'm never mad. Don't confusie fiscal conservatives with social conservatives. Social conservatives are a crusty bunch

I could potentially vote for Colpy. Not sure if CDNbear identifies as conservative exactly but I could vote for him too. But yeah overall, not so much.

CB indentifies himself as Conservative but he isn't.

 

[gerryh]

CB indentifies himself as Conservative but he isn't.

No, he doesn't.

 

[petros]

Putz is having another bout of Prairie Madness?

 

[JLM]

In lieu of all the mainstream parties we have now, JLM. I will be voting Green next election.

I nominate RCS. :smile:

In a Democracy like Canada that is your perfect right....................................not sure how we'll afford them. Are you talking Federal or Provincial?

Putz is having another bout of Prairie Madness?

That doesn't surprise me!

 

[coldstream]

Wow. I learned a new word.

Dirigiste

1.Directed by a central authority; as, a dirigiste economy; with respect to economics, opposed to free-market. See also dirigisme.
Carry on. :smile:

It was the Conservative Party of John A. MacDonald that implemented the National Policies of tariffs, public investment in infrastrure, and national economic planning.. in direct contravention of the Free Trade and Free Market Policies of the British Empire.

Those were directly drawn the principles British Liberalism as codified by Adam Smith, David Ricardo and (most notoriously) Thomas Malthus. It was the Liberals under Wilfred Laurer who promoted 'Emancipation' with the the U.S... which was soundly defeated by the Canadian voters.. until this incompetent, post-nationalist, Free Market clique of Mulroney, Chretien, Harper overturned it.

 

[personal touch]

No, he doesn't.

i had a belly laugh at this.thanks for the laugh.

And what about you still sporting a Harper signature?It shows that he's still in your head and you can't let him go, and he's just an ordinary M.P. now......

all wrong,Mr.Harper is far from an ordinary MP.

And Alberta

probably into dam building.

i had a belly laugh at this.thanks for the laugh.


all wrong,Mr.Harper is far from an ordinary MP.


probably into dam building.

or coal exports