14,000 abandoned wind turbines litter the united states

[DaSleeper]

Then you are not getting "subsidized" rate.
I don't what it is now but a couple to ten years ago someone who installed solar panels would get about double the rate he paid for hydro fo about 7years so that the 75 thousand he paid for a simple array would be paid back in about 5 years and the next two would be profit

 

[petros]

There was also EcoEnergy subsidies for set up costs. I bought everything for geothermal wholesale and drilled my own hole. In the end I made money.

 

[Corduroy]

Oh, so we're against waste and environmental degradation now?

 

[AnnaG]

We are missing out? damn I would have to ask hubby about it all. Our system, minus the solar array, has been here since like 1905 or something and we only change stuff as it wears out. we started getting money from the grid about 25 years ago.

 

[DaSleeper]

That's when our hydro rates started going up.....

 

[CDNBear]

Ecotards love wind turbines... as long as it is in other people's backyards.

NIMBY's like, can you guess who?

Flossy!!!

Premier Pinwheel loves 'em ... or was scammed badly by the sales pitch

Yep.

Oh, so we're against waste and environmental degradation now?

Nope, not now, I always was.

 

[EagleSmack]

NIMBY's like, can you guess who?

Flossy!!!

Just like the Kennedy's and Cape Wind. For years America's royal family fought against big oil and fought for wind and solar power. That is up until the day they heard a wind farm project (Cape Wind) was being planned off the Kennedy Compound on Cape Cod. Suddenly alternative energy wasn't such a great idea at all.

NIMBY

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

It's time to take down all these turbines and invest in coal-fired, oil-fired, and nuclear power plants, which never ever shut down and have a spotless safety record!

 

[EagleSmack]

Can I get me an eye-roll here

 

[DaSleeper]

Was that a facetious statement disguised as sarcasm....or the other way around?

He should know....by the number of similar posts of his

 

[petros]

Without copper there would be no wind turbnes. Copper mining makes oil sands look as clean as an operating room.

 

[EagleSmack]

Was that a facetious statement disguised as sarcasm....or the other way around?

He should know....by the number of similar posts of his

I wasn't surprised in the slightest.

 

[Jinentonix]

It's time to take down all these turbines and invest in coal-fired, oil-fired, and nuclear power plants, which never ever shut down and have a spotless safety record!

Nah, let's go whole hog on wind and solar so that in the dead of winter when there's no sun shining and the wind is blowing too hard for turbines to harness it, there'll be no power generation at all.
Who needs reliable base-load generation anyway? We're much better off relying on the vagaries of weather.

 

[EagleSmack]

Without copper there would be no wind turbnes. Copper mining makes oil sands look as clean as an operating room.

Ecotards tend to ignore inconvenient facts such as this. The keyboard they pound on and the monitor they are glued to are loaded with non-renewable products. Most are destined for landfills.

 

[petros]

Where is all the lead supposed to come from for the battries to store solar?

 

[Tecumsehsbones]

Nah, let's go whole hog on wind and solar so that in the dead of winter when there's no sun shining and the wind is blowing too hard for turbines to harness it, there'll be no power generation at all.

You're right. If an industry isn't fully mature at its inception, it's worthless.

Who needs reliable base-load generation anyway? We're much better off relying on the vagaries of weather.

No, no! Coal and oil only! Because wind, solar, hydro, and nuclear can't be the entire power-generation system, they shouldn't be allowed to be ANY PART of the power generation system!

That's your logic

 

[EagleSmack]

Destroy all fossil fuel plants! Wind and solar only!

 

[lone wolf]

You're right. If an industry isn't fully mature at its inception, it's worthless.

It doesn't make a lot of sense to complicate something so simple as water flows downhill....

 

[petros]

It doesn't in winter. Heavy reductions in flow. Now what? Antifreeze?

 

[Jinentonix]

You're right. If an industry isn't fully mature at its inception, it's worthless.


No, no! Coal and oil only! Because wind, solar, hydro, and nuclear can't be the entire power-generation system, they shouldn't be allowed to be ANY PART of the power generation system!

That's your logic

It is? I live in a province that generates the vast majority of its hydro from hydroelectric and nuclear. I live almost equidistant between the Pickering and Darlington nuclear power plants, never mind that the Bruce Nuclear Facility in Ontario is the largest Nuclear power plant in operation in the world. I'm proud of the fact that even before the Ontario Liberal's disastrous green energy policy, Ontario hydro generation was over 75% emissions-free.
And pssst, guess what? Nuclear and hydroelectric make for great base-load generation so I have no idea what you're waffling on about.


Not to mention that Canada has this thing called "winter" which often times makes wind and solar absolutely useless.

Where is all the lead supposed to come from for the battries to store solar?

That's what people don't understand. I heard a stat last year stating that at least 20% of China's farmland has been made toxic by heavy metals. The trouble comes from the mining of them, the refining of them and the battery manufacturing process in China. Now let's think about how much food they export. Yum.