Trudeau Backing off on Syrian Refugee Promise

Nuggler

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While I don't miss Harper for a minute I am concerned about reversal so quick
I would have preferred Mulcair actually. Social conservatives I am afraid of the
promises the might just do the things I don't like. I am afraid of Liberal quick
promises they don't keep them. The NDP I don't know we have never had an
NDP government federally

Mulclair shot himself in the foot by starting to become to centrist. Lost a lot of his good ol socialist supporters.

No fukking way.
 

JLM

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While I don't miss Harper for a minute I am concerned about reversal so quick
I would have preferred Mulcair actually. Social conservatives I am afraid of the
promises the might just do the things I don't like. I am afraid of Liberal quick
promises they don't keep them. The NDP I don't know we have never had an
NDP government federally


Believe me Grumpy, we DON'T want one, either! :) :)

Mulclair shot himself in the foot by starting to become to centrist. Lost a lot of his good ol socialist supporters.

No fukking way.

Not to mention he can't do Math, like adding and subtracting. :) :)

He hasn't broken that promise. Don't let the title of this thread fool you.

Maybe there are worse things than breaking "promises". Like stubbornness and stupidity! :)
 

JLM

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I wonder if all those people who think they will miss Harper, know about the enormous debt he left
us ?....

Actually in real terms not as big as it looks considering the current population of Canada and the value of today's dollars. The population is about 30% larger from when P.E.T. was squandering!
 

petros

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Debt does not equal the size of government. The pattern is a massive increase in debt under conservative governments.

Take a look around you Jen. What you see in Vancouver for new infrastructure just fell from the f-cking sky? Are you not glad Steve and oil built the Canada Line, bridges thatt will survive a 5.0 quake, ports, freeways, YVR expansion, flower boxes on Hwy 99 bike lanes and puppet shows?

You have been baptised in oil.
 

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Chances are that he's setting up to alter his promise... My guess would be to either defer the pledge well into the future or drop the number that he quoted prior to being elected

But who here is sane enough to accept that as not so much a broken promise but a smart idea?

And Liberal ones too. (I think most of Martin's decrease in debt =ed the amount transferred to the provinces)

Yes, the Liberals increased the debt too, but you're completely missing the point.
 

MHz

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Now just put the party in power beside the years

Canada's National Debt Clock : The Canadian Taxpayers Federation
Canada’s federal debt grew steadily between 5% and 10% per year until 1975 when it began to explode; growing for the next 12 years at more than 20% per year.
It broke the $100 billion mark in 1981 and the $200 billion mark in 1985. It broke the $300 billion mark in 1988, the $400 billion barrier in 1991 and the $500 billion level in 1994.
The debt peaked at $562.9 billion at the end of 1996-97.
Between 1997 and 2008, $105 billion of the federal debt was repaid, dropping to $457.6 billion in 2007-08.
Between 2008 and 2015, more than $150 billion was added back onto the federal debt, leaving it at $614 billion, a new high.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_federal_general_elections

Although this sounds like an attractive alternative to raising taxes on cranky taxpayers, the government still faces a problem; it is on the hook to pay us interest on those bonds. The more bonds the government sells – that is, the bigger is its debt – the more it must pay in interest. The amount of interest that the federal government pays in interest is quite large. In 2011, they spent $31 billion. Provincial governments also sell bonds and so they also pay a lot in interest; about $23 billion in 2011 in total. In 1995, when interest rates and the pile of government debt were both higher, all governments in Canada were paying about $78 billion in interest payments annually. To put that into perspective, in that same year governments spent about $53 billion on health care.
Canadian Taxpayers Federation | The Canadian Taxpayers Federation is a citizen's advocacy group dedicated to lower taxes, less waste & accountable government.
 

petros

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But who here is sane enough to accept that as not so much a broken promise but a smart idea?



Yes, the Liberals increased the debt too, but you're completely missing the point.
Want a point to chew on? What were interest rates like in the past? Ever heard of cheap debt?
 

JLM

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Now just put the party in power beside the years

Canada's National Debt Clock : The Canadian Taxpayers Federation
Canada’s federal debt grew steadily between 5% and 10% per year until 1975 when it began to explode; growing for the next 12 years at more than 20% per year.
It broke the $100 billion mark in 1981 and the $200 billion mark in 1985. It broke the $300 billion mark in 1988, the $400 billion barrier in 1991 and the $500 billion level in 1994.
The debt peaked at $562.9 billion at the end of 1996-97.
Between 1997 and 2008, $105 billion of the federal debt was repaid, dropping to $457.6 billion in 2007-08.
Between 2008 and 2015, more than $150 billion was added back onto the federal debt, leaving it at $614 billion, a new high.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canadian_federal_general_elections

Although this sounds like an attractive alternative to raising taxes on cranky taxpayers, the government still faces a problem; it is on the hook to pay us interest on those bonds. The more bonds the government sells – that is, the bigger is its debt – the more it must pay in interest. The amount of interest that the federal government pays in interest is quite large. In 2011, they spent $31 billion. Provincial governments also sell bonds and so they also pay a lot in interest; about $23 billion in 2011 in total. In 1995, when interest rates and the pile of government debt were both higher, all governments in Canada were paying about $78 billion in interest payments annually. To put that into perspective, in that same year governments spent about $53 billion on health care.
Canadian Taxpayers Federation | The Canadian Taxpayers Federation is a citizen's advocacy group dedicated to lower taxes, less waste & accountable government.

Those figures are mostly suspect- P.E.T. ran up around $400 billion and Bulloney ran up another $400 billion and Paul Martin transferred several $billion to the provinces. Actually it's unlikely that anyone even knows what the debt is at any given time. We might know what the debt is that's printed on paper, but whether that has any resemblance to the real debt is anyone's guess!
 

MHz

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Considering you are part of the collective and the other option an x-ISIS rebel would be a blessing.
 

MHz

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Considering you are part of the collective and the other option an x-ISIS rebel would be a blessing.
 

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He knows it's hard to get certified Syrians since there's a big supply of stolens Syrian passports. You get handsome brown people that are grown arround there. They all look the same to me.
 

JLM

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He knows it's hard to get certified Syrians since there's a big supply of stolens Syrian passports. You get handsome brown people that are grown arround there. They all look the same to me.

I wish there was a big wall somewhere, where a guy could perch and just watch this whole charade!

The forum clown is craving attention again. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad! :)
 

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I hope that they are reconsidering because the whole scheme to re-settle 25,000 total unknowns in such a short time frame is seriously hazardous for this country.