Cliffy is all for the Pope and Christianity!
Cliffy is once again against the Pope and Christianity!
Ah well... just Cliffy being Cliffy... the hypocritical hateful bigot.
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Cliffy is all for the Pope and Christianity!
Cliffy is once again against the Pope and Christianity!
Ah well... just Cliffy being Cliffy... the hypocritical hateful bigot.
The help would be a gust of wind that kept you from falling in the first place. You did get the part where I said that promise is only valid for the 3 1/2 years it takes for 6 trumps to sound. Christians die untimely deaths every day, the reward they get is the come alive as early as possible rather than as late as possible.
I'm pretty good at thinking for myself, in the box or out of the box.
You seem to be bright enough that you can get over that little hurdle. Want to test it out for yourself? Da:7 has a vision and an explanation and Re:17 has a vision and an explanation. Your mission should you accept it is to blend the two together because the 10 men mentioned are the same in both chapters. That is stuff you will find interesting or not, so far you are in the 'not' group.
They call him cliffy because that is what he keeps falling off, or is it a 'jump'?God she is androgenous you dope smokin hippy.
When I was young, I was sent to Sunday School. Going to church was just the place a person should be,on Sunday's, I was a devout Christian Scientist until 22. Then the church and I parted ways for about 20 years. While I no longer attend the church of my youth,then there couldn't of been a stronger atheist,.actually I hated God with a passion. I am back to an organized church now. The only reason for this monologue is to make the points that I do not know if there is a God,. One thing I can say for sure is that I felt better when I believed in something (God) than believing in nothing.
You choose only one because the book called the bible points to only one possible version when you consider what it talks about mostle in prophecy is a date that is still in our future.
Christian Scientist eh? That should mean the scientist part was 'left behind'. What if God wrote the whole book with the express purpose of having it read by a scientist that knows what we know since the invention of the computer as the way for one person to be able to read the Bible and then go back and study certain parts as the reference material takes a bit of searching before you can do that. Page 1 of said book is a good place to begin, using science the reasoning for the length of a creation day works out only if you apply powers of 10 to the explanation. The detailed version is in the old earth creation theory where the end of day 7 is the starting/ending date as 4005BC was the day Adam and Eve exited the garden. The end of day 1 was when the earth experienced it's first day/night cycle because light from the sum was created that day. That is thought to be about 4B years ago or 4,005,000,000 BC, a zero is added to the thousand column based on 1,000 years is equal to a day and the other numbers move one space to the left rather than rotating in sequence like hours in a day do. The days can then be reviewed with the verses in that 'light'. Day 4 and the creation of time is the best example that it works this way, that would put the end of that day at 4,005,000BC as being when the orbits came to be what we observe them as being today. At the end of day 1 science promotes a 'day' was about 6 hours long and 4M years ago we have the 12 hour day. This also puts the bible one level above the other ancient texts because none of them put this part in.
That is one example of how detailed the study of the texts has to be and to even use the 1,000 years per day you have to use some references from Revelations and from Peter. Using that and the dates in Revelation the fire that melts the earth would be 3.6B years in our future and the sun will do that when it becomes swollen just before it's end. That is also something other ancient texts don't mention.
In general I would suggest the bible be read like this: Ge:1-3 and Re:20-22 are the beginning and end of this earth and it explains who God is as He is the single author of the bible and He had 40 Scribes involved so none of them could put the story together. A computer search function puts all 40 writers in the 'same room' and you are in the driver's seat as far as how the questions go. In study mode Revelations is like the index in a book and you have to look up all the other references that are in the bulk of the book because that is dedicated to Ge:3:15 and the bruise to the heel and the bruise to the head.
The cross was the event that defined what a bruise is and when Jesus said, 'It is finished.' that is what He was referencing, when He says, 'It is done.' as the 7th vial is poured out is a reference to all events completed in that determination so what was done in the garden is fully undone and in the 1,000 years Jerusalem is transformed into the city that would have been built by Adam and Eve had the sin not happened.
Christian Scientist eh? That should mean the scientist part was 'left behind'. What if God wrote the whole book with the express purpose of having it read by a scientist that knows what we know since the invention of the computer as the way for one person to be able to read the Bible and then go back and study certain parts as the reference material takes a bit of searching before you can do that. Page 1 of said book is a good place to begin, using science the reasoning for the length of a creation day works out only if you apply powers of 10 to the explanation. The detailed version is in the old earth creation theory where the end of day 7 is the starting/ending date as 4005BC was the day Adam and Eve exited the garden. The end of day 1 was when the earth experienced it's first day/night cycle because light from the sum was created that day. That is thought to be about 4B years ago or 4,005,000,000 BC, a zero is added to the thousand column based on 1,000 years is equal to a day and the other numbers move one space to the left rather than rotating in sequence like hours in a day do. The days can then be reviewed with the verses in that 'light'. Day 4 and the creation of time is the best example that it works this way, that would put the end of that day at 4,005,000BC as being when the orbits came to be what we observe them as being today. At the end of day 1 science promotes a 'day' was about 6 hours long and 4M years ago we have the 12 hour day. This also puts the bible one level above the other ancient texts because none of them put this part in.
That is one example of how detailed the study of the texts has to be and to even use the 1,000 years per day you have to use some references from Revelations and from Peter. Using that and the dates in Revelation the fire that melts the earth would be 3.6B years in our future and the sun will do that when it becomes swollen just before it's end. That is also something other ancient texts don't mention.
In general I would suggest the bible be read like this: Ge:1-3 and Re:20-22 are the beginning and end of this earth and it explains who God is as He is the single author of the bible and He had 40 Scribes involved so none of them could put the story together. A computer search function puts all 40 writers in the 'same room' and you are in the driver's seat as far as how the questions go. In study mode Revelations is like the index in a book and you have to look up all the other references that are in the bulk of the book because that is dedicated to Ge:3:15 and the bruise to the heel and the bruise to the head.
The cross was the event that defined what a bruise is and when Jesus said, 'It is finished.' that is what He was referencing, when He says, 'It is done.' as the 7th vial is poured out is a reference to all events completed in that determination so what was done in the garden is fully undone and in the 1,000 years Jerusalem is transformed into the city that would have been built by Adam and Eve had the sin not happened.
You have no idea who, when, where, why or how that book was put together. It is your opinion and only your opinion that the book has any significance. Just because you believe in it does not make anything other than what it is. I understand your need for it to be god's word but don't think for a minute that is has significance for everybody. You say there is only one way to come to god and yet, I have never heard anybody else but you who interprets it the way you do. Heaven's going to be a very lonely place since you'll be the only one there...lol.
An atheist doesn't think about God at all so the term you (and Cliffy) are using should actually be anti-christ as you still visit religious discussions yet talk about a different gospel than the one the NT promotes. Nor would an atheist reference any verses, the door to the bible would just be closed as this verse suggests.
1Co:15:32:
If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus,
what advantageth it me,
if the dead rise not?
let us eat and drink;
for to morrow we die.
I would suggest that since the term 'god' was always a part of the past and some of it was in opposition to the bible then that relationship with God can be found in the 7 letters to the 7 churches as those are the 14 relationships that God has with mankind and the ones that did not overcome do not remain alive (or be resurrected) for the 1,000 year period.
The doubting Thomas story is there to show that 'proof of God' will not be found in a period of time where reading the Bible is the tool that will give you faith enough to believe that God is the author of the book. The term 'day of the lord' would have to be considered before you have the story that we are judging. To find some ancient 'proof' would destroy the faith without proof that is normal until a few years before His expected return.
Why are you replying? We have been over this before and I'm fully aware of your position, the post was meant for somebody else. If you want a topic how about we pick up where we left off and you were promoting that you knew it all before a popular video series even existed that covered those topics. Rather than knowing it all I would suggest that the illusion is there to stop you from seeing that you have stopped learning anything past that point, the question would then be what happened and your current obsession with holding onto that version no matter what. Rather than me being a slave to the bible it is you that has had your ability to think tampered with.
The new earth will start off with a similar beginning like the Ge:2 creation theme except Eve and all her children will be there with Adam and the 'mist' from New Jerusalem will bring plants to life then all flesh that has ever lived from that time until the day the last bird and beast of the field is put to sleep by Christ after they have been at the feast created for them on the day the 7th trump sounds. That is how the God of the living runs things so if you know my version then all you claims of not understand me were bogus and in was more rejecting. That is between you and God, nothing you say affects that for me as you aren't part of the reference material I use in my relationship with God. Are you saying that you preaching a different Gospel doesn't make you an anti-christ as defined by Scripture rather than any other definition.
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But he isn't. The Bible is supposed to be the perfect word of God and yet it's very imperfect. Take the story of the birth of Christ. The first four gospels all tell different versions of that event.
If the Bible was the perfect word of God, that story would not have needed multiple tellings with various details added and/or removed.
That is why it is import to continue the Rx even if you do feel better or voldemort will return as a resistive strain with no treatment options.
Glad you joined the discussion, JT
A study of the form and content of the four gospels reveals characteristics of the mind and heart of God who commissioned them. The gospel Message is lovingly, wisely and powerfully packaged within four accounts by four different scribes in order to benefit multiple and maximum human audiences. Religious, political, philosophical and scientific audiences are all personally addressed in the four gospel accounts. Potential for life-transforming impact is limited only by the receptivity or unresponsiveness of the audience. The Message to those who can accept is Jesus Christ.
Mathew covers the event from the perspective of Joseph and the ancestry given is for his fathers. Mark doesn't cover it at all as he goes from the baptism to the end of the 40 days to when John the Baptist is put into prison. Luke covers the event from the perspective of Mary and it is her fathers ancestry that in that book. John doesn't cover it at all but it does cover events from the return from the wilderness to when John was put into prison. Mathew also skips this part and goes from the end of the 40 days until John is in prison. You will find that when the 4 books cover something each adds a bit of detail and you need all versions to get the 'full story'. The two events that only 3 Apostles saw is an example as there are 3 versions of that. What happened at the cross and the next day is something that can be pieced together by using all 4 texts as they compile one Gospel rather than there being 4 Gospels.
You forgot that the cross was the last event to do with prophecy and fulfillment of the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15. Re:12 expands on that verse and the cross is also mentioned in some detail. The last woman in that chapter are the Gentiles gathered by the writings of the beloved disciple.
I have said before that I don't think of the bible is the be all and end of how the world started. I try to make it a practice to "not leave my brain behind the door" when I deal with anything. The Bible is just meant as a guide to how we should live. What I take the most from it is the Golden Rule. No, there is no reason to try to use our concept of time and say that it is the same when it comes to.measure time. I do not believe in the story of Adam and Eve and many other stories.that is just what they are stories.
Wind comes from interaction between warm and cool air.
I think we are on our 1st Trump. Maybe the 2nd if The Donald is actually human.
"the come alive"? Is that Bible language?
YAY!
The OT is filled with the hallucinations of superstitious people and the NT is filled with Yeshua's life-lesson fables. Perhaps I will attempt another reading at another time. ATM, the fiction I am reading is the "Ender" series of books by Orson Scott Card. Easier reading. I don't have to decipher the language he wrote in. If it DID need deciphering, it would detract from the pleasure of reading.
My previous post pertains to the gospels, MHz.
I am currently studying through "the last event(s) to do with prophecy" which are by no means fulfilled in the present hour. They are recorded for our benefit in the book of Revelation by the only One who can precisely proclaim the future and fully fulfill it.
It is possible to hate something you think does not exist, like the pre-enlightened Grinch, for instance. And yes, you can think about things you think don't exist. You simply have to use your imagination.
If people won't accept that there is an entity called "Mother Goose" who guided human hands to write the fairy tales of Mother Goose, why people believe that some invisible, intangible entity guided human hands to write books in the Bible is a bit too much to swallow. HUMANS wrote it and simply SAID they were guided by this god.
That sort of indicates that the god did not have the ability to write it for itself; hence, it is NOT omnipotent. An omnipotent god could write a single book that is easily understood for each of the approximately 7 million people on the planet at the time (some 6000 years ago). It would have been easypeasy.
If people won't accept that there is an entity called "Mother Goose" who guided human hands to write the fairy tales of Mother Goose, why people believe that some invisible, intangible entity guided human hands to write books in the Bible is a bit too much to swallow. HUMANS wrote it and simply SAID they were guided by this god.
That sort of indicates that the god did not have the ability to write it for itself; hence, it is NOT omnipotent. An omnipotent god could write a single book that is easily understood for each of the approximately 7 million people on the planet at the time (some 6000 years ago). It would have been easypeasy.