"Anything that can be done to protect the primary right to life of another member of society, comes before the right to own an object. "
Dang! There goes my car..............
Gun Control is Completely Useless.
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"Anything that can be done to protect the primary right to life of another member of society, comes before the right to own an object. "
Dang! There goes my car..............
yes
are you accusing me of being that kind of person that wants to run pedestrians over? Sorry to disappoint you, but my desire to own a vehicle is no different than a firearm.ie in both cases, I have no desire to kill anyone.
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Who gets to decide which rights are important and unimportant? jmo, it is either a right or it is not a right.
I agree and I have done no such thing.
That is a stretch. For example, if I use your analogy, it is perfectly natural to be afraid of getting hit by a car.
There you go again, talking about prioritizing our rights, then disproportionately infringing on them in order to deal with your fears.
Ever heard of the war of 1812? Without guns, we'd another american state.
But as a firearms owner, you don't believe that I live by the rule of law. You are prejudiced
I'm not sure what point you are making here. If you want to elaborate, I'll be happy to read your post.
All liberties are equal until people like you start to talk about which ones should be violated or infringed upon.
If that is true, you have my concern. But you are barking up the wrong tree, if you think I have anything to do with it.
BINGO! The article is NOT focused on Firearms.
How do you propose to protect that right without guns? Think a piece of paper might cover it?
Texas set to approve open carry of handguns, seen as win for gun-rights activists
FoxNews: "Texas is poised to become the largest state in the U.S. to allow citizens to openly carry handguns, a change long sought by gun-rights activists.
The Texas House of Representatives on Friday voted 96-35 to allow residents with concealed-handgun licenses to openly carry their guns in public in holsters. A similar open-carry measure passed the Texas Senate last month; the two open-carry bills must be squared before being sent to Republican Gov. Greg Abbott, who has indicated support for the idea."
source: Texas set to approve open carry of handguns, seen as win for gun-rights activists | Fox News
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Teenager allegedly rapes homeowner at gunpoint, gets shot and killed by neighbor
On April 13, a 17-year-old allegedly broke into an Gadsden, Alabama, home and raped the female homeowner at gun point, only to be shot and killed by the homeowner’s neighbor.
According to WBRC 6, the 17-year-old and two other suspects allegedly broke into the home around 3 a.m. The teenager then allegedly raped the homeowner at gunpoint while the other two suspects “ransacked the home.”
The two other suspects then reportedly left, but the 17-year-old stayed behind and allegedly beat the woman about the head with his handgun.
He allegedly demanded money from her, but the homeowner said she kept all her money at her neighbor’s house, at which time the 17-year-old is said to have walked the woman to the neighbor’s house and pointed his gun at him. The neighbor responded by raising his own gun and shooting the 17-year-old in the chest, killing him.
Police took the neighbor to headquarters and questioned him, then released him. The female homeowner was treated for injuries at a local hospital.
Gene Handy lives just up the street from where the incident occurred. He said, “It’s a blessing the guy was at home where the lady could get his attention and maybe this will get our neighbors to look out and help each other.”
source: Teenager Allegedly Rapes Homeowner at Gunpoint, Gets Shot and Killed by Neighbor - Breitbart
FoxNews: "Texas is poised to become the largest state in the U.S. to allow citizens to openly carry handguns, a change long sought by gun-rights activists.
The Texas House of Representatives on Friday voted 96-35 to allow residents with concealed-handgun licenses to openly carry their guns in public in holsters. A similar open-carry measure passed the Texas Senate last month; the two open-carry bills must be squared before being sent to Republican Gov. Greg Abbott, who has indicated support for the idea."
source: Texas set to approve open carry of handguns, seen as win for gun-rights activists | Fox News
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Teenager allegedly rapes homeowner at gunpoint, gets shot and killed by neighbor
On April 13, a 17-year-old allegedly broke into an Gadsden, Alabama, home and raped the female homeowner at gun point, only to be shot and killed by the homeowner’s neighbor.
According to WBRC 6, the 17-year-old and two other suspects allegedly broke into the home around 3 a.m. The teenager then allegedly raped the homeowner at gunpoint while the other two suspects “ransacked the home.”
The two other suspects then reportedly left, but the 17-year-old stayed behind and allegedly beat the woman about the head with his handgun.
He allegedly demanded money from her, but the homeowner said she kept all her money at her neighbor’s house, at which time the 17-year-old is said to have walked the woman to the neighbor’s house and pointed his gun at him. The neighbor responded by raising his own gun and shooting the 17-year-old in the chest, killing him.
Police took the neighbor to headquarters and questioned him, then released him. The female homeowner was treated for injuries at a local hospital.
Gene Handy lives just up the street from where the incident occurred. He said, “It’s a blessing the guy was at home where the lady could get his attention and maybe this will get our neighbors to look out and help each other.”
source: Teenager Allegedly Rapes Homeowner at Gunpoint, Gets Shot and Killed by Neighbor - Breitbart
Texas set to approve open carry of handguns, seen as win for gun-rights activists
FoxNews: "Texas is poised to become the largest state in the U.S. to allow citizens to openly carry handguns, a change long sought by gun-rights activists.
The Texas House of Representatives on Friday voted 96-35 to allow residents with concealed-handgun licenses to openly carry their guns in public in holsters. A similar open-carry measure passed the Texas Senate last month; the two open-carry bills must be squared before being sent to Republican Gov. Greg Abbott, who has indicated support for the idea."
source: Texas set to approve open carry of handguns, seen as win for gun-rights activists | Fox News
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Teenager allegedly rapes homeowner at gunpoint, gets shot and killed by neighbor
On April 13, a 17-year-old allegedly broke into an Gadsden, Alabama, home and raped the female homeowner at gun point, only to be shot and killed by the homeowner’s neighbor.
According to WBRC 6, the 17-year-old and two other suspects allegedly broke into the home around 3 a.m. The teenager then allegedly raped the homeowner at gunpoint while the other two suspects “ransacked the home.”
The two other suspects then reportedly left, but the 17-year-old stayed behind and allegedly beat the woman about the head with his handgun.
He allegedly demanded money from her, but the homeowner said she kept all her money at her neighbor’s house, at which time the 17-year-old is said to have walked the woman to the neighbor’s house and pointed his gun at him. The neighbor responded by raising his own gun and shooting the 17-year-old in the chest, killing him.
Police took the neighbor to headquarters and questioned him, then released him. The female homeowner was treated for injuries at a local hospital.
Gene Handy lives just up the street from where the incident occurred. He said, “It’s a blessing the guy was at home where the lady could get his attention and maybe this will get our neighbors to look out and help each other.”
source: Teenager Allegedly Rapes Homeowner at Gunpoint, Gets Shot and Killed by Neighbor - Breitbart
Good happy economical ending.
THAT is a very narrow minded view for some people a gun is the means of feeding their family, just as in other instances traps are the means of feeding one's family. For others it's a vehicle, for others it might a be piano or a guitar. None of these things should supersede others as far as rights go.
please stop your trolling! :mrgreen:
in Canada... what "right" are you speaking to?
just exactly how does a gun equate to liberty... if I have no gun do I have no liberty... less liberty? If you own 2 guns do have twice as much liberty as the guy owning 1 gun?
does a gun registry infringe upon said "gun liberty"? If so, how so?
and... I had no 'takers' after the first posting - go figure, hey!
Texas set to approve open carry of handguns, seen as win for gun-rights activists
sweeeeeet... the epitome of American Gun Culture!
So......following your logic, we should do away with all things that can possibly do away with death...right!! Goodbye to barbecues, knives and forks, cars, swimming pools, must put large fences around all lakes, rivers, oceans etc, definitely no more guns, certainly no scissors, roller blades and skates, all contact sports, after all dead is dead right!!. Gas stoves, ladders, balloons, (some children have died inhaling them instead of blowing), of course all pills, too many dangers of allergic reactions, or overdoses, all must go. I do not understand your logic.
All this just because thinking moderate persons feel there should be strict rules and laws regarding guns, which I will point out once agains, were/are manufactured to KILL. And please don't bother pointing out other uses for guns, all the things listed above were made for other purposes but guns were not.
Now tell me again why we should fear decent, and strict gun laws .
Elaborate on your opinion of what is fair and decent.
I know you have no use for guns....
I never had a swimming pool at home, have no use for one, but I learned how to swim and my kids learned how to swim anyway...
Maybe if you and others learned gun safety you wouldn't be so scared....
In context of the thread, that would be the same right that BByrd was speaking of.
there has been volumes written on this. i think it would be a great topic to revisit when things slow down on this thread
what gun registry?
I love it! The anti-gun nuts might learn that having a meal next to an armed citizen is much like having a meal next to an armed police officer, ie it really isn't that scary.
Yet, the 'perpetual violence machine' is slowing down. Oh well! That blows a hole through another one of his monologues that waldo takes serious.
It's slowing down because they know the other guy may have a gun... mighty big deterrent to robbery.
I applaud you for trying this angle, but lets face it, you would be more likely to support one of these ideas well before he would.
It has already been established on this thread that this is NOT TRUE.They save lives everytime they are used, and only kill under a very specific set of circumstances which generally involves deliberate and criminal misuse of the firearm.
Because people like you fear them? How much is enough?
Apparently you do not know me. I am not against guns per se, only against having no rules or regulations to owning them. And my dad, my son were both hunters, my dad had a large collection, all registered, and properly locked up. My dad also used to go to the shooting range every Thursday night up until a year before he died.
However, when my children were young, there was a farmer next farm over who used to fire off his gun at anything that moved when he got drunk and the neighbor on the other side, actually took pot shots in the direction of my kids and our dog while they were berry picking close to the line fence. Now tell me again how every gun owner is responsible and can be trusted to live by the rules at all times.
And for Gawd's sake .....have you no idea of what is fair or decent??
And for Gawd's sake...to use your own words you just had to report that farmer to the police instead of taking it out on every gun owner you meet in a forum...I and other gun owners in this forum are not against proper regulations.... where we differ is your and other antis' Idea of proper regulation .
What we are against is regulations that are not proven to prevent crime, but only make it harder for law abiding citizens to purchase, own and use firearms...and while increasing our cost, doesn't prevent felons from purchasing illegally!
I am against the naive claim that Canada's gun laws are responsible for driving the low gun death rates in Canada. Not true! We've always had low gun death rates. And when we compare are trends to the US, Canada's gun laws have not affected the rate of change to the gun death rates.
In fact, in some CCW states, the change of gun death rates exceeds Canada. Now I know this scares the gun-nuts because it sounds like I might be advocating CCW, but I am using this comparison merely to show how impotent Canada's gun control laws have been at causing change.
A decent and fair person would admit this.
In fact, in some CCW states, the change of gun death rates exceeds Canada. Now I know this scares the gun-nuts because it sounds like I might be advocating CCW, but I am using this comparison merely to show how impotent Canada's gun control laws have been at causing change.
A decent and fair person would admit this.
Antis do not use reason.....It's all about feelings....and think of the children....
Perhaps, you can explain to me why every gun owner must be proven responsible and trust worthy just because you were personally affected by criminal misuse of a firearm from a drunk guy that the police should have arrested.
The attitude of distrust spills into their other beliefs too.
Have you ever heard an 'educated and enlightened' person make a statement that the average person should not be allowed to vote because they are too dumb? They say it so casually and with a naive conviction without really thinking or understanding what they are saying.
liberty is bitch. and it scares the hell out some people.
bluebyrd35 is the minority, afraid and paranoid.. I went for a drive yesterday. Went shooting out in the country, and as I drove home saw plenty of farmers out shooting on their property..
Gun culture is strong in Canada.. just a little more hidden..
I am sure most guns in Canada are not registered.. why should they be... it's not the governments business.
Sorta like Rand Paul on Government intrusion into our lives..
www.youtube.com/watch?v=exaycqViaA4
Gun culture is strong in Canada.. just a little more hidden..
I am sure most guns in Canada are not registered.. why should they be... it's not the governments business.
Sorta like Rand Paul on Government intrusion into our lives..
www.youtube.com/watch?v=exaycqViaA4
He likes to shoot skeet with friends.
Now there's a solution! Everyone on this thread needs to get together, Waldo and BlueByrd included, and we'll all have a fun afternoon shooting skeet.
Now there's a solution! Everyone on this thread needs to get together, Waldo and BlueByrd included, and we'll all have a fun afternoon shooting skeet.
Works for me.
It's the culture/possession dichotomy, JB. The pros see it as not a dichotomy, but the antis must, in order to promote their agenda, deny that culture has anything to do with it. This is evidenced by bluebyrd's brief foray into culture, and instant retreat when it was pointed out to her that she was in effect agreeing that culture, not prevalence of guns, is by far the dominant factor.