Only One Percent of Muslims.....

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I made irreverent art about Muslims. It took a while, but eventually Muslims came to love it.

By Zarqa Nawaz January 9

In the wake of the horrific Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris this week, people are asking why Muslims can’t take a joke.

It’s a question I’ve occasionally asked myself. As a female Muslim comic, I’ve experienced the challenges of combining Islam and humor. When my Canadian television show “Little Mosque on the Prairie” first aired in 2006, I faced angry reactions. My mosque petitioned to have me removed.

But I know, too, that Muslim-inspired comedians, graphic novels, television and films are thriving in Muslim countries and in the West. It’s a sign of a community coming of age, exploring the outer limits of what is religiously acceptable.

More at link: I made irreverent art about Muslims. It took a while, but eventually Muslims came to love it. - The Washington Post
 

skookumchuck

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Your error lies in assuming that all, or even most, Muslim immigrants "believe in a religious and political philosophy that is the absolute antithesis of liberty and democracy."

Colpy, this is the same argument that's been used against every immigrant group in the U.S. since the 1830s. Jews, Catholics, Italians, Chinese, you name it. It was a strong enough lie to pack Japanese-Americans into concentration camps in the 40s. And what happened? Composed largely of men who volunteered from the concentration camps, the 442d Regimental Combat Team racked up more medals per man than any other unit in the entire U.S. military.

The meme of otherness being necessarily hostile was responsible for the horrors of Jim Crow. And what happened there? The Tuskeegee Airmen went from the despised losers, identified in an official Army report as lacking the intelligence and courage to be pilots, to the most storied fighter group in the war.

They don't believe in freedom. Where have we heard that before? Oh, yeah, the 1960 Presidential election. We can't have a Catholic President because he'll take orders from the Pope. Shades of "Home Rule is Rome Rule," the meme that led to the deaths of more than half of the 3600-odd people killed in Northern Ireland during the Troubles.

Here's the counter-argument. Did any of the immigrant groups who flooded into the U.S. 1835-1930 impose the cruel and anti-freedom philosophies of their home countries or religions? Nope. They assimilated within a generation or two, keeping some of the cultural and religious traditions that provided them with continuity, and making small changes to the previously Anglo-Scots America, whilst becoming indistinguishable from other Americans in almost every way. Do third-generation Japanese-Americans bow? Did third-generation Russian-Americans support the Soviet Union? Do third- or even second- (or for that matter, even firs-) generation Chinese-Americans support the machinations of Beijing? Do third-generation immigrants from the Catholic areas of the world insist that the church be woven into every aspect of governance, as it is in their home countries?

There are two reasons for this. The first is that many of these immigrants came here specifically to escape the oppressive hand of whatever religion or philosophy ruled their homes. They were OK with being (whatever), they just wanted to live in a place where the leaders of (whatever) didn't control every aspect of their lives.

The second is that most immigrants are economic immigrants, coming for economic opportunity. And they generally accept, more or less happily, that they can practice (whatever) in the U.S., but that they cannot change the U.S. into (whatever). And they're OK with that, mostly.

I can almost hear you saying "But this is different!" Yep, that's what the anti-immigrants said about every new wave of immigrants into the U.S.: the Irish, the Germans, the Eastern Europeans, the Chinese, the Russians, the Japanese, the Italians, the Central and South Americans. And the blacks, by the way. The fact that you immigrated in chains doesn't make you any less an immigrant. To date, they've all been wrong. Tragically wrong. We consider the discrimination practiced against all these groups as our darkest error, and celebrate our achievements in giving them equality.


I can have all three. Immigration and multiculturalism have enhanced, not harmed, American democracy.

The reason I speak to the U.S. and not Canada is that I don't know Canadian history that well. But I know that Canada is similar. It has accepted millions of immigrants of every race, religion, political philosophy, and culture in the world. And yet, somehow, it still stands as a beacon of freedom, safety, and prosperity.

Despite the fact that somebody just like you, smart, well-meaning, and wrong, met every one of those waves of immigration with dire warnings of the End of Freedom and Democracy in Canada.

You're 0-15, going for 0-16.

Turn your clock back and ask yourself where all the Muslims were while we were developing Canada 200 0dd years ago. How about the USA even further back. Where was the "Little Mosque on the prairie"? Statements regarding Japanese interment camps remind me suspiciously of those of students who have no idea of what to do when faced with a them or us situation. Perhaps you could use a thought out line of reasoning rather than the usual crap.
 

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Obama's Muslim Problem is America's Problem

By Allan J. Favish
On January 16, 2015, in response to questions from CBS News’ White House Correspondent Major Garret, President Barack Obama discussed (41:55 - 44:34 into the video) what he called “violent extremism” and Europe’s challenges. Obama said:
Our biggest advantage, Major, is that our Muslim populations, they feel themselves to be Americans. And there is this incredible process of immigration and assimilation that is part of our tradition, that is probably our greatest strength.
Obama did not cite any evidence for his assertion. There is evidence from a 2012 poll showing that if American Muslims “feel themselves to be Americans,” a significant number of them have that feeling without having American values. On November 13, 2012, Bob Unruh of WorldNetDaily reported on a poll it commissioned that sought the opinions of American Muslims. In the poll of 600 Muslims, 98 percent of the respondents were American citizens, and 97 percent were registered to vote. The poll found that “40 percent of Muslims in America believe they should not be judged by U.S. law and the Constitution but by Sharia standards.”
Further, 46 percent of the respondents said that they believe those Americans who offer criticism or parodies of Islam should face criminal charges. One eighth of these citizens, 12.5 percent of the respondents, said they think those Americans who criticize or parody Islam should face the death penalty, while another nine percent said they were unsure on the question. The hard core, 7.2 percent of the respondents, said they “strongly agree” with executing those who parody Islam, and another 4.3 percent said they somewhat agree.
Thus, 21.5 percent of the respondents “cannot say they believe Christians or others who criticize Muhammad should be spared the death penalty.” A full 39 percent of the respondents “said they believe existing U.S. courts should consult Sharia law when adjudicating cases involving Muslims, and 21 percent of the respondents said the U.S. should establish separate courts based solely on Sharia law to adjudicate cases involving Muslims. And nearly a third, 32 percent of the respondents, stated that Sharia should be the supreme law of the land in the United States. Unruh reported:
Asked whether U.S. citizens who are Christians have the right to evangelize Muslims to consider other faiths, just 30 percent agreed Christians have such a right. Another 42 percent said they do not have such a right, while 28 percent said they were unsure on the question.”
One in five say Muslim men should be allowed to follow their religion in America and have more than one wife, and 58 percent said criticism of their religion or of Muhammad should not be allowed under the Constitution.
While 43 percent said they disagreed with the idea of Christians evangelizing Muslims, another 27 percent said they were undecided. Only 19 percent said they “strongly agree” with the idea that Americans have a right to invite Muslims to consider another faith.
Nearly one in three said Israel either has no right to exist or they were uncertain whether it does.
I wonder how Obama would answer those questions, were he to do so honestly. Neil Munro, White House Correspondent of The Daily Caller, reported that through his Press Secretary Josh Earnest’s remarks on January 12, 2015, Obama announced a policy of pressuring American journalists into foregoing publishing material that would be taken as critical of Islam by those who might attack American troops in retaliation for the criticism. Earnest said this was based on the President’s duty to protect American troops. Thus, under the guise of protecting American troops, Obama is enforcing Sharia blasphemy laws as much as he can without drawing too much opposition. Earnest’s remarks included the following:
Q Your predecessor from this podium in 2012 was asked about one of the cartoons published by Charlie Hebdo. And he said, representing the President and this administration, that the White House questioned the judgment of the publication of that particular cartoon -- not that it was an illegitimate act of satire, but the judgment involved behind it. Does the White House stand by that questioning of the judgment of the publication of that cartoon in light of recent events?
MR. EARNEST: Let me say a couple of things about that. The first is -- and this is something that I don’t want to be overlooked -- what my predecessor also said in the context of those very same comments was that the publication of that material did not in any way justify an act of violence. That was true then, it was true last week, and it’s true today. There is nothing that the individuals at that satirical magazine did that justified in any way the kind of violence that we saw in Paris last week. None. That is, I think, the most important principle that's at stake here.
At the same time, it would not be the first time that there has been a discussion in this country about the kinds of responsibilities that go along with exercising the right to freedom of speech. And in the scenario -- or in the circumstances in which my predecessor was talking about this issue, there was a genuine concern that the publication of some of those materials could put Americans abroad at risk, including American soldiers at risk. And that is something that the Commander-in-Chief takes very seriously. And the President and his spokesman was not then and will not now be shy about expressing a view or taking the steps that are necessary to try to advocate for the safety and security of our men and women in uniform.
Q But advocating and taking steps to protect American service personnel is different than criticizing or raising questions about the judgment underlying any satirical expression, be it to mock Islam or Christianity or Judaism, or anything else. Where do you draw the line?
MR. EARNEST: Well, I think it depends on the scenario. I think --
Q There is not an absolute support of satirical mockery of any institution on this planet.
MR. EARNEST: I think there are a couple of absolutes. The first is, is that the publication of any kind of material in no way justifies any act of violence, let alone an act of violence that we saw on the scale in Paris. And there is -- this President, as the Commander-in-Chief, believes strongly in the responsibility that he has to advocate for our men and women in uniform, particularly if it's going to make them safer. And the President takes very seriously his responsibility as Commander-in-Chief to do that. And that's something that we're going to continue to do in the future. Those are the absolutes -- or at least two of them.
But when we are confronted with these kinds of scenarios where we're balancing basic rights alongside very important responsibilities that must also be exercised, it's going to always depend on the scenario. But what won't change is our view that that freedom of expression in no way justifies an act of violence against the person who expressed a view. And the President considers the safety and security of our men and women in uniform to be something worth fighting for.
I expect that in the future, Obama will invoke his duty to protect all Americans here in the United States as a justification for counseling journalists to refrain from publishing anything that can be taken as a criticism of Islam. A significant number of the Muslim Americans who responded to the WND poll will be happy about Obama’s clever ruse to discourage criticism of Islam. How many non-Muslim Americans will either agree with Obama’s tactic or be unaware of it and believe that his only purpose is to protect American lives?
It would be unfair to refer to the Obama Administration as AQWH (Al-Qaeda in the White House) because it does not appear that Obama supports the violent means by which Al-Qaeda seeks to achieve an Islamic tyranny based on Sharia. However, everyday it appears less likely that Obama is the right person for America to depend upon to prevent such a result.


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Muslims built absolutely nothing on this continent, why should we give it away free to those who do not appreciate? Muslims say that we should have no say in their dealings, fine, we should just remind them that OUR dealings are also sacrosanct. We never hear of Muslims making a lot of noise to distance themselves from those who believe in sharia law but we do hear a lot from those of OUR beliefs who want to appease them. The next time you hear a Muslim whine, remind them that we did not bring them over with the express idea of changing OUR country.
 

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The First Nations did though, just look around. We wiped it all out in the hopes it will dissapear from history as the reality of how it happened was not one of our more moral days.

Not to be lost is that if we weren't making their homeland a dangerous place to live none of them would be looking for a new hope. Only the vilest of people would leave that part of reality out.

. . no idea of what to do when faced with a them or us situation..
They are the dangerous one right?
 

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OMA, OMA, OMA (oh my allah). IN PUBLIC!!!




 

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Everyone and their grandmother is posting these images and there has been no significant increase in threat since that shooting.

The case for the islamaphobes gets thinner by the day.

Them right wing free speechers are fraidy cats.

Islamaphobes? So, then none of the things we see happening are real. It's all a straw man?
 

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Can one be a faithful Muslim if one does not believe in the literal truth of the Quran? I don't think so.

Do faithful Muslims believe in the separation of Church and State? I don't think so.

Can we get along with Muslims if they aren't faithful Muslims? Probably.

Can we get along with faithful Muslims? Only in the short term. When their numbers reach critical mass they want to implement the political objectives of their religion.
 

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Can one be a faithful Muslim if one does not believe in the literal truth of the Quran? I don't think so.

Do faithful Muslims believe in the separation of Church and State? I don't think so.

Can we get along with Muslims if they aren't faithful Muslims? Probably.

Can we get along with faithful Muslims? Only in the short term. When their numbers reach critical mass they want to implement the political objectives of their religion.

Exactly correct.
 

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Muslims built absolutely nothing on this continent, why should we give it away free to those who do not appreciate? Muslims say that we should have no say in their dealings, fine, we should just remind them that OUR dealings are also sacrosanct. We never hear of Muslims making a lot of noise to distance themselves from those who believe in sharia law but we do hear a lot from those of OUR beliefs who want to appease them. The next time you hear a Muslim whine, remind them that we did not bring them over with the express idea of changing OUR country.

Yeah well when Muslims own the mass media in America we'll hear from them. "Our beliefs" ? What in fo rk would those be? You whine about Muslims to much we didn't bring you over here to listen to you whine like motor. And nobody gives a fu ck about your beliefs. Shut your soup hole and get back to work, and pay some damn taxes we're sick and tired of dragging you everywhere we go.