Gun Control is Completely Useless.

bluebyrd35

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OMG you have no clue.

Mistakes in fact, and simple nonsense.

1. The USA has the highest rate of private firearms ownership in the world, hands down. Switzerland is number 4.

Number of guns per capita by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2. The Swiss militia still keep their weapons at home, however they may store them at an armoury, if they so wish.

3. The FBI keep accurate stats on crimes committed, especially murder. They show a 50% drop in 20 years. . Keeping crime statistics from all over the USA is a major part of their mandate. They do so in conjunction with the Dep't of Justice, and their stats are quite simply unassailable.

4. Yes, there is licensing in Switzerland, but the people are encouraged to keep arms. Those who have done their military service are allowed to keep their assault rifles in civilian life, with only the full auto option removed.

5. Handgun shooting and ownership is also encouraged, and, although licensed, when Handgun Control claims the Swiss have "strict gun control", they are simply lying.
You are using Wiki which is a medium that depends on private donations of material. You again, took the opinion of other than the country's own publications, using Wiki which admits it needs correcting when the facts are wrong. By the way "SHE" manages to take on the lot of you and is most often is right, even though it affects none of you. I live here nearly six months of the year and most of you do not. Most of you obviously have not a clue of the politics here.


Try thinking of taxing the poor, and the middle class because the rich make the jobs and the money/wealth will drift down. How many wealthy do you think support the economy during a downturn. Take a look at how much tax revenue the gun manufacturers risk if reasonable laws are brought in. So my friends, enjoy your Xmas and hope the Canadian government does not move in the same. direction. I will buy stock in gun manufacturing in that case. LOL.
 

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You are using Wiki which is a medium that depends on private donations of material. You again, took the opinion of other than the country's own publications, using Wiki which admits it needs correcting when the facts are wrong. By the way "SHE" manages to take on the lot of you and is most often is right, even though it affects none of you. I live here nearly six months of the year and most of you do not. Most of you obviously have not a clue of the politics here.
At least he sources his stuff. You just assert "facts" with no source whatever, and you are frequently demonstrated to be wrong.


Try thinking of taxing the poor, and the middle class because the rich make the jobs and the money/wealth will drift down. How many wealthy do you think support the economy during a downturn. Take a look at how much tax revenue the gun manufacturers risk if reasonable laws are brought in. So my friends, enjoy your Xmas and hope the Canadian government does not move in the same. direction. I will buy stock in gun manufacturing in that case. LOL.
Ah, now we expand into full-on lefty generalisations of why America is bad, bad!
 

bluebyrd35

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Oh dear. Another person babbling about what is "natural" therefore good and "unnatural" therefore bad on a COMPUTER.


Wrong. The age of drinking is 21. For most purposes, a person is reckoned an adult at 18 in the U.S.

Nice try though.
Quite right 21 before they can drink but they can own a gun at 18.......and must do if they serve in the forces. Do you know that unless a person serves in the forces, they cannot work for the government??


By the way that reference to granite and Q-tip idiocy was not mine. But hey I do admit that I find killing people sick, depraved and obscene. Shooting anyone that is faintly menacing is caveman mentality It appears that those in the pro-gun click feel that living in fear and virtually at war with anything that moves is the way to go.


America is not bad......as I pointed out 80% of the population WANT more gun control. It appears that minority |Americans and numbnut foreigners are the ones against reason.


Good grief, even when I give references, no one reads them. The replys certainly indicate that!!
foreigners are the biggest oppositionists!!
 

JamesBondo

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Silly person I am not a Christian either.....The criminals around here do not use guns, no dead police men, no dead me.


On the other hand, I have had a couple of dumb neighbours. One would get drunk and fire his gun at the moon every so often. That didn't seem to satisfy him enough so he started sitting at the end of his long driveway and when he saw a car coming would drive out into the oncoming lane. Usually he just scared hell out the other driver. One night he misjudged and ran into the local taxi.


Now on the other side, this guy liked to shoot across the highway at anything that moved. It didn't seem to matter to him that he was firing onto my land. One day he spent a few bullets trying to hit my son's dog. He failed to notice my son, 10 at the time was also there. That man got an earful believe me. I had no more problems. You see people with guns sometimes do not follow sensible rules.

I have lived in the real world, it appears your fantasy world is rather different from my reality. Since I intend to live until civilization begins to badly regress to the cave man era, I hope your posts as well as those of a couple of others are not the harbringers of such an event.

Classic case where liberals ignore the crazy guy until someone gets killed( fortunately, in this case, ALMOST killed)

Then instead of blaming the crazy guy, or blaming themselves for not reporting previous incidents to mental health services....yep, they blame it on the gun. But not on the crazy man's gun, they blame all guns.
 

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Quite right 21 before they can drink but they can own a gun at 18.......and must do if they serve in the forces.
Wrong again. People in the armed forces are not required to own guns. Nice try though.

Do you know that unless a person serves in the forces, they cannot work for the government??
OK, now I don't know if you're lying, profoundly misinformed, or just crazy. I worked for the government for a while. Most of my colleagues were not veterans. There is no such requirement.


By the way that reference to granite and Q-tip idiocy was not mine. But hey I do admit that I find killing people sick, depraved and obscene. Shooting anyone that is faintly menacing is caveman mentality It appears that those in the pro-gun click feel that living in fear and virtually at war with anything that moves is the way to go.
The term is "clique," and your "virtually at war" characterisation is just amusing. I own guns, and I generally don't carry them or feel much in fear of anything. Just haul 'em out once a week or so for target shooting, and once or twice a year for hunting.


America is not bad......as I pointed out 80% of the population WANT more gun control. It appears that minority |Americans and numbnut foreigners are the ones against reason.
Your hate rhetoric notwithstanding.


Good grief, even when I give references, no one reads them. The replys certainly indicate that!!
foreigners are the biggest oppositionists!!
What was your reference for your statement that the Swiss have the highest guns-per-population in the world?

For that matter, what's your reference for your laughable statement that only veterans may work for the U.S. government?
 

JamesBondo

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With the new year quickly coming upon us, we should all commit to acknowledging inconvenient
Truthes even when they conflict with your belief system.

Who is with me?
 

bluebyrd35

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Pay attention.....I did not post that at 18 they MUST own a gun but that they COULD own one. Very different. Also, the Federal government DOES give preference to vets applying for a job. Considering the wars and the vets available, how many of those who do not serve do YOU think get those jobs!! And I am not going to give you the site. Look it up on your own. I am not anyone's secretary!!.


Now I wish the lot of you a Happy New Years, and it will take a lot of persuasion to make me return to this topic as I am sick and tired of fending off a bunch of rednecks who look at guns as more important than human lives. My life has been full and very eventful without doing battle to keep Canada in a reasonable position on them. I do not intend to spend any more of it on such a stupid subject. Have a good year.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Pay attention.....I did not post that at 18 they MUST own a gun but that they COULD own one. Very different.
Pay attention. I never claimed that people must own a gun at 18. I said people in the military are not required to own guns.

Also, the Federal government DOES give preference to vets applying for a job. Considering the wars and the vets available, how many of those who do not serve do YOU think get those jobs!! And I am not going to give you the site. Look it up on your own. I am not anyone's secretary!!.
Some veterans get a preference. But that's not what you said. You said, and I quote, "Do you know that unless a person serves in the forces, they cannot work for the government??" That was not true, and it still ain't.


Now I wish the lot of you a Happy New Years, and it will take a lot of persuasion to make me return to this topic as I am sick and tired of fending off a bunch of rednecks who look at guns as more important than human lives. My life has been full and very eventful without doing battle to keep Canada in a reasonable position on them. I do not intend to spend any more of it on such a stupid subject. Have a good year.
Sounds good. Please be assured we are equally tired of dealing with your factual errors, unsupported statements, lies, and illogic.
 

JamesBondo

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Running away is easier than acknowledging facts that contradict your beliefs.

Ignoring the facts is easy, too.

JMO, we would not suffer as many polarized topics if we just said things like " true, I don't see farmers and hunters as part of the problem, but we need to come after the gun toting criminals with every angle, control measure,restriction of rights etc "

If we gave each other concessions and acknowledgement for their talking points, I am afraid that this topic might go somewhere is hasn't gone before. I think everyone else is afraid, too.
 

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http://www.blazingcatfur.ca/2015/01/01/anti-gun-hysteria/

Check out Justin's little talk! (@ 1:25)

He is gonna do more "classification" of firearms, in other words, he is going to steal a bunch of our property for no particular reason. Typical Liberal. The classification system is already a complete mess. Just wait until this moron gets a crack at it.

And he wants to tighten the requirements to get a Firearms License.....HUH????

Already requires a safety course, testing, background check, references, a bunch of intrusive questions about your love life and work history, and the approval of your spouse.

What else can this idiot possibly want?

Mulcair wants to re-invent the long gun registry...............but he is never gonna get in, and his caucus rebelled at the very mention of the LGR........so a non-issue.
 

Tecumsehsbones

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Running away is easier than acknowledging facts that contradict your beliefs.

Ignoring the facts is easy, too.

JMO, we would not suffer as many polarized topics if we just said things like " true, I don't see farmers and hunters as part of the problem, but we need to come after the gun toting criminals with every angle, control measure,restriction of rights etc "

If we gave each other concessions and acknowledgement for their talking points, I am afraid that this topic might go somewhere is hasn't gone before. I think everyone else is afraid, too.
Been done. I have laid out the sensible anti-gun argument, even though I'm pro-gun.

Fact is, none of the pro-gunners here wants unrestricted ownership of firearms. We all agree with reasonable restrictions that balance the freedom to own guns for hunting, defence, or just because we feel like it, with the acknowledged fact that guns make dangerous people more dangerous.

The anti-gunners are simply, emotionally opposed to guns. Period. The only concession they'll make is to allowing the police and military to have guns (gee, thanks!). And not one of them, ever, has addressed the question of how we get rid of the approximately 300,000,000 guns in the U.S. and stop others from coming in. Or the fact that, when polled, 70-75% of American adults favour private ownership of firearms. They just scream louder.
 

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I am convinced gun control is useful. Mine got unlocked for the night a few nights ago and there were more shots fired in that one night than has happened in many years with the gun never being locked up.

So yes, I am totally for gun control between firing sessions on the range if ya know what I mean. It gives it time to accumulate more ammo ;)
 

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We're not interested in any gun with only a 2" barrel...........

That's before it's fully loaded.

Seeing the length of this thread, I cannot imagine that much new information had been added, mostly arguing in circles I assume. Anyone change their mind yet.
 

Colpy

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That's before it's fully loaded.

Seeing the length of this thread, I cannot imagine that much new information had been added, mostly arguing in circles I assume. Anyone change their mind yet.

Ahhh yes, the beauty of my logic has transformed the lives (and the opinions) of millions. Not.

Nobody convinces anyone of anything by arguing on the net.

Or not often, anyway.
 

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12 Reasons Why You Should Own a Gun

1. Because You Own a Fire Extinguisher. Bad things happen. You can still call 911, but when seconds count, you need to act quickly to save your life and the life of those you love.

2. Because Shooting Is An Olympic Sport. Shooting is an Olympic sport and the United States holds more gold medals than any other nation.

3. Because Many Americans Own Guns. You'll be in good company as a gun owner; nearly fifty percent of households in the U.S. own a firearm.

4. Because You Respect The U.S. Constitution. Sometimes you won’t like it when people exercise fundamental freedoms protected by the Constitution, such as freedom of speech. But that simply doesn’t matter: The Supreme Court ruled that every person has a constitutional right to own guns. So respecting the Constitution means respecting the right of others to exercise those constitutional rights.

5. Because You Are More Likely to Die By Falling. There were 613 fatal firearms accidents in 2007, one-half of one percent of all fatal accidents. You're more likely to die by driving, poisoning, drowning or falling than by a gun accident.

6. Because Guns Stop Burglars. Last year, the CDC estimated that Americans used guns about 498,000 times to frighten away intruders attempting to break into homes.

7. Because Gun Bans Increase Murder Rates. After D.C. banned handguns in 1984, the average murder rate jumped 73 percent while the U.S. murder rate fell 11 percent.

8. Because Guns Don’t Cause Murder. A New York Times study of 1,662 murders in the city found that 90 percent of the killers had criminal records. Murderers are not ordinary, law abiding adults. Instead, virtually all murderers are extremely aberrant individuals with life histories of violence, psychopathology, and substance abuse.

9. Because Gun Owners Win Political Battles. Gun rights groups have donated $22 million in political campaigns over the last decade, while gun control groups gave $1.8 million.

10. Because Ignorance is Dangerous. At current homicide rates, Aprx 5 in 100,000 Americans will be murdered this year. You need to know how to operate a tool that will immediately stop a threat and save your life and the life of those in your household.

11. Because Guns Don’t Make Countries More Dangerous. Switzerland has one of the world’s highest gun ownership rates and also one of the lowest homicide rates. In contrast, the countries with the world’s worst homicide rates—South Africa, Columbia, Brazil, Mexico, Philippines, Taiwan—also prohibit law-abiding citizens from owning guns. Compare the 20 per 100,000 homicide rate in Russia, which bans guns, with the 2 per 100,000 rate in neighboring Poland. Compare gun-free Luxembourg’s 9 per 100,000 murder rate with Germany and France with rates of 0.93 and 1.65.

12. Because Gun Control Laws Don’t Increase Safety. The U.S. National Academy of Sciences failed to identify even one gun control measure that had a statistically significant reduction in violent crime, suicide, or gun accidents. The Center for Disease Control reached the same conclusion in 2003.