Kid commits suicide after Gay Conversion Therapy

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Leelah Alcorn, the 17-year-old transgender teen who committed suicide on Sunday morning in Kings Mill, Ohio, has prompted advocates to petition for “Leelah’s Law” – a bill to ban conversion therapy in the U.S. The petition on Change.org by the Transgender Human Rights Institute has more than 88,000 supporters.


"My death needs to be counted in the number of transgender people who commit suicide this year. I want someone to look at that number and say “that’s f---d up” and fix it. Fix society. Please,“ Alcorn wrote in her suicide note posthumously published to Tumblr on Sunday. It has more than 200,000 shares.


Alcorn, who was born with the name Joshua, came out as transgender to her parents three years ago. As conservative Christians, they took away her phone, computer and enrolled her in an online high school. They told her, “God doesn’t make mistakes,” and took her to conversion therapy.


“My mom started taking me to a therapist, but would only take me to Christian therapists (who were all very biased), so I never actually got the therapy I needed to cure me of my depression,” Alcorn wrote in her letter. “I only got more Christians telling me that I was selfish and wrong and that I should look to God for help.”


A Facebook post written by Alcorn's mother, Carla Wood Acorn, hours after her death hints at the environment she grew up in. The post refers to Alcorn using male pronouns. She asked her friends for prayers for her son who "went home to heaven" after being hit by a truck. It has since been removed.


According to the American Psychological Association, conversion therapy is an effort to eliminate or suppress someone’s sexual orientation through counseling and psychotherapy. This form of counseling is typically supported by religious organizations that see homosexuality as a mental illness or disorder that can be “cured.”


Mainstream health and mental health professional organizations do not support it, citing that it can result in depression, anxiety and self-destructive behavior. Currently the practice is illegal in New Jersey and California. Similar actions have been voted down or withdrawn in Virginia, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, New York, Washington, Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin, Hawaii and Rhode Island.


“Many patients who have undergone reparative therapy relate that they were inaccurately told that homosexuals are lonely, unhappy individuals who never achieve acceptance or satisfaction,” the American Psychiatric Association wrote in its 2000 position statement about conversion and reparative therapy. "The possibility that the person might achieve happiness and satisfying interpersonal relationships as a gay man or lesbian is not presented, nor are alternative approaches to dealing with the effects of societal stigmatization discussed."






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tragic

in an effort to help their child, they made it too unbearable for her to live
 

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Worse is that the parents still deny what happened to their daughter, and say that their 'son' was hit accidentally while out on a walk.

Denying the truth so they don't have to live with the reality that they drove their daughter to suicide is just... honestly I don't get it. It's people like these parents that keep TG kids in the closet, it's their lack of acceptance and the unconditional love they're supposed to have that lead to tragedies like this. IMO they should be charged with manslaughter or held accountable for their daughter's death. Sadly they won't and I'm sure a lot of people will say "It's not their fault". Like F it's not their fault. In her own words it's there, in their own actions it's proof.

Stop using the Bible and your religion as a cop out crutch. These people terrorized their daughter to force her into being something she was not and hadn't been since she was four. And there's no remorse, NONE, because if there was they would accept that their DAUGHTER died, not their son.
 

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They weren't trying to 'help' her, they were trying to 'fix' her. Conversion therapy is barbaric in my opinion.
well I think they were trying to help her by fixing her

he is going to hell in their mind and will burn for all eternity if he was allowed to continue forward with his evil choice, that type of fear induced hysteria by the parents does not lend itself to rational level headed choice

now in order to live with themselves there will be some type of explanation...evil, possession, devil involvement fighting the good fight but evil has triumphed because we live in an imperfect world ruled by Satan...you know, I'm sure you've heard the lines... but it will not work to allow them peace because their soul will keep pushing for truth but their minds can't allow it

a terrible position to be in for them too
 

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well I think they were trying to help her by fixing her

he is going to hell in their mind and will burn for all eternity if he was allowed to continue forward with his evil choice, that type of fear induced hysteria by the parents does not lend itself to rational level headed choice

now in order to live with themselves there will be some type of explanation...evil, possession, devil involvement fighting the good fight but evil has triumphed because we live in an imperfect world ruled by Satan...you know, I'm sure you've heard the lines... but it will not work to allow them peace because their soul will keep pushing for truth but their minds can't allow it

a terrible position to be in for them too

I have a really difficult time empathizing with them. Normally I wouldn't, any parent that's lost a child would hurt my heart something fierce. But to me they didn't really lose a child, they lost something they rejected. Maybe it's a bias on my part, if it is, so be it but I cannot relate to these individuals as 'parents'. I'm a mom, I love my children unconditionally and I don't understand how anyone cannot.
 

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I have a really difficult time empathizing with them. Normally I wouldn't, any parent that's lost a child would hurt my heart something fierce. But to me they didn't really lose a child, they lost something they rejected. Maybe it's a bias on my part, if it is, so be it but I cannot relate to these individuals as 'parents'. I'm a mom, I love my children unconditionally and I don't understand how anyone cannot.
I don't think one has to empathize or even feel sorry for them in order to understand the process and the nightmare they will live from that day forward.

I do not know what the answer is from a societal perspective. I don't know how we can allow this type of treatment of children while at the same time supporting freedom of religion.

the two conflict for me...for others the soul and life eternal trumps all
 

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I get that they have a huge loss for the loss of their "son", however they had a daughter, a living daughter and since their daughter had been alive longer than their son, the loss is more so over the "idea", not the person.

Now they've suffered the loss of the person, and still they refuse to acknowledge they had a daughter, not son. I've read where the mother says she "loved her son" which is absolute BS; had you loved your "son", you would have accepted the Daughter.
 

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I don't think one has to empathize or even feel sorry for them in order to understand the process and the nightmare they will live from that day forward.

I'm not sure that they will live a nightmare. They'd have to realize their part in their child's death in order for that to happen.

I do not know what the answer is from a societal perspective. I don't know how we can allow this type of treatment of children while at the same time supporting freedom of religion.

the two conflict for me...for others the soul and life eternal trumps all
To me that's simple. Therapy is not the place to teach or promote religion. The mandate for that falls to the church. Licensing for therapists should be contingent upon standard practices and methods established by the profession/college. I have no issue with a therapist or any other health care professional referring patients due to their own belief systems being in conflict with therapeutic methods, but in no way should a therapist be promoting religious beliefs (any religious beliefs) that are contrary to established clinical practices.
 

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I'm not sure that they will live a nightmare. They'd have to realize their part in their child's death in order for that to happen.
for me they will live a nightmare simply because despite whatever we as humans choose to believe this time around, the soul will seek truth always...thus there will be an imbalance of the mind and soul...for me I would describe that as a living nightmare because there will always be that nagging question, and it will never be answered. I view peace of mind as an arduous task only achieved via truth. Karma

To me that's simple. Therapy is not the place to teach or promote religion. The mandate for that falls to the church. Licensing for therapists should be contingent upon standard practices and methods established by the profession/college. I have no issue with a therapist or any other health care professional referring patients due to their own belief systems being in conflict with therapeutic methods, but in no way should a therapist be promoting religious beliefs (any religious beliefs) that are contrary to established clinical practices.
I could live with that.

That would be a massive step in the right direction. It would no where near address the whole problem but wow, it would be so right, so big.

It would certainly be fought against. It would be the right thing to do.
 

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for me they will live a nightmare simply because despite whatever we as humans choose to believe this time around, the soul will seek truth always...thus there will be an imbalance of the mind and soul...for me I would describe that as a living nightmare because there will always be that nagging question, and it will never be answered. I view peace of mind as an arduous task only achieved via truth. Karma.

For you it would be a nagging question but I think you're under estimating the power of denial.

I could live with that.

That would be a massive step in the right direction. It would no where near address the whole problem but wow, it would be so right, so big.

It would certainly be fought against. It would be the right thing to do.
People, some people, fight equity because they can't see that acceptance/endorsement and acknowledgement are two different things.

It will never be perfect, not really, but we can meet in the middle on a great many issues. We do in most medical situations. Christian Scientist parents have been stripped of their consent rights when it comes to some treatments for their children. That's not because we don't like Christian Scientists, it's because the societal norm and very accepted practices of medicine have established basic protocols for treatment. I see the therapy situation as not much different.

Now a doctor has every right, and should have every right, to step aside and refer to another medical practitioner if a course of treatment conflicts with their personal beliefs. A therapist should be able to do the same. If a doctor choose to a different course of treatment because the standard and accepted treatment conflicted with their beliefs and something happened, patient suffered or died, they should be accountable. So should a therapist.
 

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I often wonder why we as a supposed civilized society still take a small portion of a human being and expand it into a 100 % definition of that person. It's kind of like reading Oliver Twist and using that story to encapsulate every orphan, To quote Robin Williams in the Movie Good Will Hunting. These parents are despicable to me.
 

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Sometimes the saying "No good deed goes unpunished" rings true.
 

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G Since the parents had to do the signing how about I transgender them an set a watch to see how ling before the kill themselves. Hard to say is stupider, the parents or the facility that does the Frankenstein operations.

Sometimes the saying "No good deed goes unpunished" rings true.
If the parents had any balls they would have already have taken their own lives. Lets hope the community gives them the thumbs down sign until they do.
 
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Sometimes the saying "No good deed goes unpunished" rings true.
Hey, not Sherlock, if it was such a good deed the child would still be alive. You deal in off market body parts in your spare time?

Poor spelling and morals intact or be like you and can spell but clearly has no morals. The whole next year is going to be so much fun for me, that won't be the same for you. BTW my speiing is ****, it comes from lack of fine finger control like hitting an 'r' instead of the 't' key that is next to it, I can assure you if you were here to help me demonstrate that I could my finer just when an where I wanted. Know what I mean Walter, you post some lip dribble that you call your 'best shot' of something equally stupid and that is your standard way of avoiding answering a direct question, Little children with their hand in the cookie jar 10 minutes before the right time act more grown up than you do Walter. Anybody ever mention that in terms of it being a reactionary reflex that does not have to keep you being just that childish until the day you step into the grave. In your case the sooner the bigger a blessing it will be for you (whether or not you know it) and certainly for those around you that get subjected to nothing but the same dribble I've seen from you over the years. My list must getting pretty short if I am doing more than just giving you a red. Perhaps this is you lucky year.

Jed Clampett: [Disgusted] Jethro, some day me and you got to have a long talk.

Sometimes when you start off going downhill and that is not what you want you might want to stop rather than continue and think you can just 'ride it out'. I don't search these moments but they are sure are memory builders, I'm thinking am already having more fun in life than you are and this will just show that. You should really spend more time in the political threads, I need the typing practice, apparently. If you can't keep up when my typing is this slow what the hell are you going to do when I start using a left and right Dvorak keyboard at the same time Walter??

BTW Apparently I get about an hour to do my spelling checks, like coming back and changing dip**** to wallter in this post
 
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Leelah Alcorn, the 17-year-old transgender teen who committed suicide on Sunday morning in Kings Mill, Ohio, has prompted advocates to petition for “Leelah’s Law” – a bill to ban conversion therapy in the U.S. The petition on Change.org by the Transgender Human Rights Institute has more than 88,000 supporters.


"My death needs to be counted in the number of transgender people who commit suicide this year. I want someone to look at that number and say “that’s f---d up” and fix it. Fix society. Please,“ Alcorn wrote in her suicide note posthumously published to Tumblr on Sunday. It has more than 200,000 shares.


Alcorn, who was born with the name Joshua, came out as transgender to her parents three years ago. As conservative Christians, they took away her phone, computer and enrolled her in an online high school. They told her, “God doesn’t make mistakes,” and took her to conversion therapy.


“My mom started taking me to a therapist, but would only take me to Christian therapists (who were all very biased), so I never actually got the therapy I needed to cure me of my depression,” Alcorn wrote in her letter. “I only got more Christians telling me that I was selfish and wrong and that I should look to God for help.”


A Facebook post written by Alcorn's mother, Carla Wood Acorn, hours after her death hints at the environment she grew up in. The post refers to Alcorn using male pronouns. She asked her friends for prayers for her son who "went home to heaven" after being hit by a truck. It has since been removed.


According to the American Psychological Association, conversion therapy is an effort to eliminate or suppress someone’s sexual orientation through counseling and psychotherapy. This form of counseling is typically supported by religious organizations that see homosexuality as a mental illness or disorder that can be “cured.”


Mainstream health and mental health professional organizations do not support it, citing that it can result in depression, anxiety and self-destructive behavior. Currently the practice is illegal in New Jersey and California. Similar actions have been voted down or withdrawn in Virginia, Illinois, Maryland, Minnesota, New York, Washington, Ohio, Florida, Wisconsin, Hawaii and Rhode Island.


“Many patients who have undergone reparative therapy relate that they were inaccurately told that homosexuals are lonely, unhappy individuals who never achieve acceptance or satisfaction,” the American Psychiatric Association wrote in its 2000 position statement about conversion and reparative therapy. "The possibility that the person might achieve happiness and satisfying interpersonal relationships as a gay man or lesbian is not presented, nor are alternative approaches to dealing with the effects of societal stigmatization discussed."






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Some points:

Post operative TG have a suicide rate 20 times the norm. That is post operative, after all their problems are supposedly fixed.

"Conversion therapy" is usually used on homosexuals, not TG, and is usually religiously based. As all of us fall on a spectrum from fully homosexual to fully hetereosexual, it can help those that want to and are on the right side of the spectrum to change their focus, and reinforce their hetereosexual side.

TG is different. Bluntly put, TGs require psychiatric help. They have a mental disease that can not be fixed with psuedo-science, be it offered in group therapy, or on the surgeon's table.

To "ban" conversion therapy would require a serious intrusion into the rights and religious practices of the people.

We know "progressives" can only deal with those that bow to their specific beliefs, and want everyone else jailed, but this is over the top.
 

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Funny people these believer. Claim gawd doesn't make mistakes and then force their kid to suicide by trying to change what their gawd made for them.