N.Y. cop not indicted in choke hold death

Colpy

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Here is the problem, I looked it up. NYPD banned the use of choke holds 21 years ago.

In restraint training, we are taught you NEVER ignore a cry of "I can't breathe". (although I do not understand how he could speak while in a choke hold, which by definition cuts off your air) Usually the problem is weight on a heavy suspect's back forcing his stomach up against the diaphram, preventing breathing.

Murder? No....no intent.

Manslaughter? Eh....I don't think so.

Criminal negligence causing death? Sounds more like it to me........

But he was VERY wrong.
 

coldstream

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My boy is a gentle giant in his own right, and has dealt with this malarkey, with much restraint,
most of his life....knowing that if he was involved....nobody would believe that he didn't start
things. I've seen it and it is truly sad in a 'compensating for a tiny *****' sort of way. Below is
a picture of my son at 15yrs of age (in the passenger's seat).


It's been my experience in sports and elsewhere.. that very big men are usually also very gentle. They've usually taken a lot of grief for their size and respond with good humour, and a little perplexity as to why people seem to see them as a threat... or a trophy.
 
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gopher

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Frank Serpico on police crimes:


Frank Serpico on Eric Garner: Cops cry wolf all the time - NY Daily News



Serpico: Incidents like Eric Garner's death drive wedge between police and society
Cowardly cops living by the 'shoot first, ask questions later' mantra put the good guys in a bad light and threaten the public's right to justice.




Cowardly cops 'don't belong in the uniform', according to retired NYPD Officer Frank Serpico.


Was I surprised by the Staten Island grand jury? Of course not. When was the last time a police officer was indicted?

This is the use of excessive force for no apparent reason on a guy who is selling loosie cigarettes; what is the threat to your well-being? If a police officer's life is in danger, he has every right to use every force in his means to defend himself.

In the old days, they used to put a gun or a knife on somebody after a shooting. Now they don't even bother.

But today, we have cops crying wolf all the time. They testify "I was in fear of my life," the grand jury buys it, the DA winks and nods, and there's no indictment.



I remember a guy I worked with back in the 81st Precinct, an ex-Marine named Murphy. He would not turn out for roll call until his shoes were spit-shined, and his uniform was creased.

One night, he was called to a family dispute. There was a man waiting behind the door, and he came out with a butcher knife and slashed Murphy's face.

Murphy could have emptied his gun in him. Instead, he disarmed the man and put him in cuffs. What's happening today in the performance of some officers can only be described as sheer cowardice. They don't belong in the uniform, and they shouldn't have weapons — whether they're cops or not.

I hear cops saying all the time — and they're proud of it — "shoot first, ask questions later."

They say, "It's my job to get home safe." Yes, but not at the cost of a human being who never posed a threat to you in the first place.

I called for, way back when before the Knapp Commission, for an independent investigative body. When I was testifying about police corruption, I saw very clearly how the DA can lead the grand jury in any direction they so desire.


Michael Brown was shot dead by a cop in Ferguson, Mo., on Aug. 9, while a 'nervous' rookie cop fatally shot unarmed Akai Gurley without a word of warning in a Brooklyn housing project stairwell on Nov. 20.

The people want justice, and they need justice. And the police are supposed to be protecting their civil rights

Why would a kid in the inner city call a cop? When I was growing up, my mother would say "Any problem, call a cop." He would show up and assess the problem, and you wouldn't become the victim.

I want to be clear. I'm not talking about all police. There are plenty of good police, and I hear from them on a daily basis.


But the police are becoming our enemy, and society is becoming the enemy of the police.

Somebody with clear, objective and impartial thinking needs to come to their senses and find a solution.
 

Sal

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Frank Serpico on police crimes:


Frank Serpico on Eric Garner: Cops cry wolf all the time - NY Daily News



Serpico: Incidents like Eric Garner's death drive wedge between police and society
Cowardly cops living by the 'shoot first, ask questions later' mantra put the good guys in a bad light and threaten the public's right to justice.




Cowardly cops 'don't belong in the uniform', according to retired NYPD Officer Frank Serpico.


Was I surprised by the Staten Island grand jury? Of course not. When was the last time a police officer was indicted?

This is the use of excessive force for no apparent reason on a guy who is selling loosie cigarettes; what is the threat to your well-being? If a police officer's life is in danger, he has every right to use every force in his means to defend himself.

In the old days, they used to put a gun or a knife on somebody after a shooting. Now they don't even bother.

But today, we have cops crying wolf all the time. They testify "I was in fear of my life," the grand jury buys it, the DA winks and nods, and there's no indictment.



I remember a guy I worked with back in the 81st Precinct, an ex-Marine named Murphy. He would not turn out for roll call until his shoes were spit-shined, and his uniform was creased.

One night, he was called to a family dispute. There was a man waiting behind the door, and he came out with a butcher knife and slashed Murphy's face.

Murphy could have emptied his gun in him. Instead, he disarmed the man and put him in cuffs. What's happening today in the performance of some officers can only be described as sheer cowardice. They don't belong in the uniform, and they shouldn't have weapons — whether they're cops or not.

I hear cops saying all the time — and they're proud of it — "shoot first, ask questions later."

They say, "It's my job to get home safe." Yes, but not at the cost of a human being who never posed a threat to you in the first place.

I called for, way back when before the Knapp Commission, for an independent investigative body. When I was testifying about police corruption, I saw very clearly how the DA can lead the grand jury in any direction they so desire.


Michael Brown was shot dead by a cop in Ferguson, Mo., on Aug. 9, while a 'nervous' rookie cop fatally shot unarmed Akai Gurley without a word of warning in a Brooklyn housing project stairwell on Nov. 20.

The people want justice, and they need justice. And the police are supposed to be protecting their civil rights

Why would a kid in the inner city call a cop? When I was growing up, my mother would say "Any problem, call a cop." He would show up and assess the problem, and you wouldn't become the victim.

I want to be clear. I'm not talking about all police. There are plenty of good police, and I hear from them on a daily basis.


But the police are becoming our enemy, and society is becoming the enemy of the police.

Somebody with clear, objective and impartial thinking needs to come to their senses and find a solution.
nicely laid out
 

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What is frightening is that many people decide that the findings of the Grand Jury are a moot point, they read some egregious headlines in the paper, pass judgement and then decide to riot in the streets.

The victims are painted as angels sent from heaven that shovel the snow from the sidewalks in front of the senior's center, nurse sick baby birds back to health and sing in the Church choir... The mean ole police, in a drunken and racist rage, pull them over at random and either choke them to death or fire a dozen shots into their random victims
Almost as frightening as the apparent conviction of some that if the victim wasn't an angel, or in the case of Tamir Rice, if his father wasn't an angel, he deserved to die.
 

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Good point. Doesn't change the fact that the victim is still dead though.
The Grand Jury in this case it sounds like was not given the choice
between Murder and any lesser charges. It was Murder or nothing.

Manslaughter is murder and if that was the case, it was the procecutor who made the error in not allowing lesser charges.
 

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I believe we have discussed this before - NYC police do NOT enforce or collect cigarette taxes. That is done by New York City Department of Finance. I dealt with those folks when I was an IRS agent for many years.


Where did we discuss it?


At any rate... this was over him selling cigarettes and the city sent a task force after him.


Look at them all... all for a cigarette peddler.







Do not get between a liberal and his taxes.
 
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Nobody said they were collecting taxes... but he was in the way of them collecting taxes.


That could not stand.


Bloomberg was a liberal if I ever saw one and I am so sure the new mayor will be cutting city taxes. lol.
 

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Bloomberg is not and never was a liberal. The new mayor won't be cutting taxes with the lawsuit settlement the taxpayers have to pay thanks to those stupid cops.
 

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Bloomberg is not and never was a liberal. The new mayor won't be cutting taxes with the lawsuit settlement the taxpayers have to pay thanks to those stupid cops.


The city sent those cops to do their bidding so they should pay. I hope the city pays dearly for it.


Bloomberg... the Soda Nazi... LIBERAL.
 

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Almost as frightening as the apparent conviction of some that if the victim wasn't an angel, or in the case of Tamir Rice, if his father wasn't an angel, he deserved to die.

Sure is a pain in the azz when someone's inalienable right to break the laws of the land are violated.... Even worse, when they don't respond to or obey the commands of the authorities and there is a consequence.

Talk about rubbing salt in the wound, eh?
 

lone wolf

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Where did we discuss it?


At any rate... this was over him selling cigarettes and the city sent a task force after him.


Look at them all... all for a cigarette peddler.







Do not get between a liberal and his taxes.

Geez.... In that image, one might get the impression he stiffed the Designated Driver too
 

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Great... So, can we agree that the Grand Jury absolved the cop of any/all murder charges, thereby eliminating the need to keep massaging reality on this?

The grand jury did not absolve the cop of all murder charges. That's not what a grand jury does. And besides, even if they did, grand juries (or juries) are not infallible, as evidenced by this very case.
 

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The grand jury did not absolve the cop of all murder charges. That's not what a grand jury does. And besides, even if they did, grand juries (or juries) are not infallible, as evidenced by this very case.

Indeed. The grand jury system in general is rather odd. Most places got rid of it a long time ago.

Bloomberg... the Soda Nazi... LIBERAL.

Yet he's a Republican.
 

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The grand jury did not absolve the cop of all murder charges. That's not what a grand jury does. And besides, even if they did, grand juries (or juries) are not infallible, as evidenced by this very case.


How do you know that?

From what I can gather about the subject, Grand Juries don't determine innocence or guilt, but rather if the case should go to trial.
 

gopher

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EagleSmack; said:
The city sent those cops to do their bidding so they should pay. I hope the city pays dearly for it.


Bloomberg... the Soda Nazi... LIBERAL.



Correction - CONservative.

I know NYC politics a lot better than you do. Do yourself a favor and just stick to Massachusetts politics such as that of Endicott Peabody or some one else like Mayor Walsh.
 

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Correction - CONservative.

I know NYC politics a lot better than you do. Do yourself a favor and just stick to Massachusetts politics such as that of Endicott Peabody or some one else like Mayor Walsh.




Just did a tiny bit of research, and it appears that it is you that needs stick to your local politics. Bloomberg ran under the Republican banner for the sole purpose of ensuring he would win the Mayors seat since they were just coming out of 9/11 and Giuliani's term.




"Given his lifelong Democrat affiliation prior to seeking the GOP nomination, Bloomberg was seen as a liberal Republican before his 2007 Independent registration and has stated his belief in gun control, a woman's right to choose abortion and same-sex marriages. In 2012 these sticking points have seen him back away from endorsing Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign, having stayed tight-lipped on any preference in 2008."


City Mayors: Michael Bloomberg - Mayor of New York City