N.Y. cop not indicted in choke hold death

[Sal]

I'm not attacking your position here at all, but as far as any medical issues go (high
blood pressure, asthma, obesity, herpes, whatever.....), is any of it relevant at all in
the choice of a victim if he happens to die due to their actions??? Choking someone
and all of the bodies piled onto his chest, ect..., with his head cranked over even if this
dude wasn't in his 40's, or obese, or had a heart condition, or had halitosis, or asthma,
or athletes foot, could very well have killed him. It's not like any of this was taken into
consideration when this incidence went down...making it irrelevant. Dudes heath, or lack
there of, is a non-issue in his death.

Personally, I believe if this dude was 5'2" and 100lbs and a woman, he'd be alive today
'cuz nobody earns any cred' in taking down a tiny woman with that kind'a force in a "look
at the hero I am in choking out this giant!" sort'a thing. It's the little-big man compensation
sort'a thing. Sad....pack of freaking heros....not.

My boy is a gentle giant in his own right, and has dealt with this malarkey, with much restraint,
most of his life....knowing that if he was involved....nobody would believe that he didn't start
things. I've seen it and it is truly sad in a 'compensating for a tiny *****' sort of way. Below is
a picture of my son at 15yrs of age (in the passenger's seat).

he be de big boy eh?

I remember you speaking of his size prior and how all of his life he has had to over compensate because of it in order to avoid trouble and those who would love to show how tough they are by picking on the big guy.

It is a sad day when people die because those in power have lost the ability to use their mind first before their muscle.

 

[captain morgan]

Yes, that is the case I'm talking about.

Great... So, can we agree that the Grand Jury absolved the cop of any/all murder charges, thereby eliminating the need to keep massaging reality on this?

 

[Walter]

Until we hear what the grand jury heard everything is speculation.

 

[captain morgan]

What is frightening is that many people decide that the findings of the Grand Jury are a moot point, they read some egregious headlines in the paper, pass judgement and then decide to riot in the streets.

The victims are painted as angels sent from heaven that shovel the snow from the sidewalks in front of the senior's center, nurse sick baby birds back to health and sing in the Church choir... The mean ole police, in a drunken and racist rage, pull them over at random and either choke them to death or fire a dozen shots into their random victims

 

[petros]

He resisted arrest. If you can say "I can' t breathe" you can breathe.

 

[Sal]

What is frightening is that many people decide that the findings of the Grand Jury are a moot point, they read some egregious headlines in the paper, pass judgement and then decide to riot in the streets.

The victims are painted as angels sent from heaven that shovel the snow from the sidewalks in front of the senior's center, nurse sick baby birds back to health and sing in the Church choir... The mean ole police, in a drunken and racist rage, pull them over at random and either choke them to death or fire a dozen shots into their random victims

well one could just saint the one who is accused because they are wearing a uniform, or, or one could just decide to analyse it, pick it apart, examine different possibilities and see every particular aspect about it

then draw their own conclusion

 

[Locutus]

the perp-preamble 'don't touch me' doesn't seem get a lot of positive results with law enforcement.

 

[Sal]

the perp-preamble 'don't touch me' doesn't seem get a lot of positive results with law enforcement.

true but if professionalism had been used the result may well have been different...there is a level of expectation and professionalism required in every single job out there

when we fall below those standards, we have simply failed

 

[Locutus]

true but if professionalism had been used the result may well have been different...there is a level of expectation and professionalism required in every single job out there

when we fall below those standards, we have simply failed

that should be directed to the supervisor on scene, the black, female sergeant who stood around with her finger up her butt. nobody seems to be talking to that chick eh.

 

[captain morgan]

well one could just saint the one who is accused because they are wearing a uniform, or, or one could just decide to analyse it, pick it apart, examine different possibilities and see every particular aspect about it

then draw their own conclusion

The Grand Jury did draw conclusions, however, that doesn't appear to hold any weight in the court of public opinion... Now, the discussion is focused on attempts to shop for realities in order to generate a predetermined outcome (ie. charge the cop with murder).

Begs the question; why bother having formal investigations if we aren't prepared to accept the results

that should be directed to the supervisor on scene, the black, female sergeant who stood around with her finger up her butt. nobody seems to be talking to that chick eh.

Funny how that works,eh?

 

[Sal]

that should be directed to the supervisor on scene, the black, female sergeant who stood around with her finger up her butt. nobody seems to be talking to that chick eh.

I am certain the higher ups in command are ripping their hair out in each of these situations...they will be sitting on fire from those above them.

Like it or not, right or wrong, the public can not lose their trust in the police or there will be a major shift in responding to, even from the average person.


These types of situations are difficult to prevent because they can do all the psychological screening and interviewing and teaching and coaching and when the employee gets out there and hits some trigger situation which causes a loss of ability to correctly assess and respond and it causes a needless loss of life it is a crisis situation and they have to address it.

She will be in deep trouble herself.

 

[lone wolf]

A sad respone from one that believes themselves an intellectual giant.

Keep aiming high bud, maybe some day you'll get there although I highly doubt it

Aiming low ... and hit you square on....

You know what I believe myself to be? That only confirms you're delusional

 

[Sal]

The Grand Jury did draw conclusions, however, that doesn't appear to hold any weight in the court of public opinion... Now, the discussion is focused on attempts to shop for realities in order to generate a predetermined outcome (ie. charge the cop with murder).

Begs the question; why bother having formal investigations if we aren't prepared to accept the results

Yes the Grand Jury did draw conclusions. Apparently the public opinion does not agree. Perhaps it is reflective of other problems at a societal level of which we are unaware and I think that is likely exactly what the problem is. It is complex and simplifying it is not the answer.

A formal investigation regardless of how squeaky clean is only good if society believes it to be squeaky clean. Otherwise it is useless.

We now live in a world where all of the blackness and corruption is evident. It is no longer possible to say...you will do as I say because I said it. Just doesn't work that way any more.

 

[captain morgan]

Aiming low ...

No surprise there... That's all your capable of

You know what I believe myself to be?

Honestly, I couldn't care less.... Really

Happy to keep going down the low road with ya'll.... Let me know if you have any actual observations or opinions on the subject matter, that is an option... Otherwise, just maintain the program of sniping and enjoy the entertainment that comes along.

Your choice

 

[DaSleeper]

What do we follow now.......
Rule of Law? or Public consensus


In other words....mob rule....lock your doors and keep your guns handy!

 

[captain morgan]

Yes the Grand Jury did draw conclusions. Apparently the public opinion does not agree. Perhaps it is reflective of other problems at a societal level of which we are unaware and I think that is likely exactly what the problem is. It is complex and simplifying it is not the answer.

Fair to say that the public did not have the same access to the entire body of info available.

At this point, as Walter identified earlier, the public is basing a final conclusion on limited info and speculation

We now live in a world where all of the blackness and corruption is evident. It is no longer possible to say...you will do as I say because I said it. Just doesn't work that way any more.

We also live in a world where there is more trial by media than there is otherwise and while the corruption has, and will always, exist, what is different today is the nature of the distribution of info in addition to the broad acceptance of anything that is published (regardless of accuracy).

You're welcome to refuse any dictates from the 'do as I say' crowd (assuming this body has been given certain authority by society), but the results you can expect will probably be far lower than your expectations

 

[lone wolf]

No surprise there... That's all your capable of



Honestly, I couldn't care less.... Really

Happy to keep going down the low road with ya'll.... Let me know if you have any actual observations or opinions on the subject matter, that is an option... Otherwise, just maintain the program of sniping and enjoy the entertainment that comes along.

Your choice

Sniping and the low road?.... You'd be the one to recognize both. Too bad you didn't have the intellect to resort to intelligent discussion rather than Harperesque smoke-screen and arrogance.

In some cases, it's best to aim for the knees and below because the head is empty.

 

[captain morgan]

You must have got your Hydro bill recently... That why you're throwing a tantrum?

 

[lone wolf]

You must have got your Hydro bill recently... That why you're throwing a tantrum?

You throw tantrums? Why doesn't that surprise me....

 

[Sal]

Fair to say that the public did not have the same access to the entire body of info available.

At this point, as Walter identified earlier, the public is basing a final conclusion on limited info and speculation

yes, both sides are

We also live in a world where there is more trial by media than there is otherwise and while the corruption has, and will always, exist, what is different today is the nature of the distribution of info in addition to the broad acceptance of anything that is published (regardless of accuracy).

agreed

You're welcome to refuse any dictates from the 'do as I say' crowd (assuming this body has been given certain authority by society), but the results you can expect will probably be far lower than your expectations

in the States they are well aware that a huge part of their problem is the level of education and intelligence within their police force...also the break down of small community policing is a problem...if the cop knew the guy and the issues this would never have happened...if the twelve year old was your neighbour five streets over, no shots would have happened

we don't know each other any more...it is easy to vilify and display cruelty to another by assigning them to a different tribe with bad motives and intentions, it's like a throw back to a more brutal time

it's going to get worse, way worse, before it gets better