Gun Control is Completely Useless.

[bluebyrd35]

Fourteen women died, not nine.



It was not to ""encourage" the safe storage of guns under lock and key"

For the billion plus dollars the system cost, the gov't could have bought every licensed gun owner in Canada a gun safe. A very nice gun safe. With hundreds of millions of dollars to spare.

Stack-On Eight-Gun Cabinet | Cabela's Canada

And yes, the murder rate has declined. It was declining before the 1995 law, it actually went up briefly after full registration in 2003, but then began to decline again, and has continued to decline since the Conservatives dumped the registry.

Canada’s crime rate falls, as homicides hit lowest level since 1960s | Toronto Star

The LGR was dumped in April of 2012.

What good was it again??



In India, licensed individuals can own "assault" rifles, and are allowed to carry handguns for self-defense.

Wanna run that one by me again??

Huh?? missed the point eh??


Oh, crap as usual, got interrupted and messed up the whole post.


Yes Lepine killed 14 which included himself. The other 4 were collateral damage. His aim was to kill as many feminists as he could, then 4 men merely got in the way.


Our laws before and after removal of the LGR were very good. It was the "ENCOURAGING" of keeping firearms secure, making it difficult for children to accidently injure or kill themselves as well as adults using them in a fit of anger. Much like installing a fence around a swimming pool.


We will always have criminals who even with limited access to guns, will continue to use bats, bricks, knives.


Inspite of your assertions about India laws allowing certain weapons, licenses for assault weapons etc. yes these are issued to armed forces and only to those persons within those forces with special firearms certificates. I imagine such arms would also be issued to animal control people, considering deaths by elephants are still quite high there.


The police forces in Canada, of course, were in favour of the long gun registry, thinking it gave them some chance of tracing guns used in crimes. It was the encouraging the benefits of having a course in safe firearm handling and above all keeping such arms out of the reach of those who could either harm themselves or others accidently that was and still is the reason gun deaths and injuries are going down. We will always have murders, less maybe and mostly by other means than firearms.

 

[Colpy]

Yes Lepine killed 14 which included himself. The other 4 were collateral damage. His aim was to kill as many feminists as he could, then 4 men merely got in the way.


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Sigh

He killed 14 women, and then he killed himself. No other men died.

Our laws before and after removal of the LGR were very good. It was the "ENCOURAGING" of keeping firearms secure, making it difficult for children to accidently injure or kill themselves as well as adults using them in a fit of anger. Much like installing a fence around a swimming pool.

As I said, the idiot Liberals could have bought every gun owner in Canada a gun locker, and still saved close to a billion dollars, instead of harassing us to death with ridiculous (and largely ignored) regulations.

 

[petros]

Gun crime in Regina decreasing, say police


While the proximity of the shootings could raise alarm bells, it looks like firearms-related crimes in the city are decreasing, according to Regina Police Service (RPS) statistics from the past 10 years.

“The best answer I can give is it doesn’t appear that our firearms offences are higher this year than last year or the highest they’ve been in the last 10 years,” said police spokeswoman Elizabeth Popowich.

To date, there have been 44 firearms occurrences in 2014, compared with 57 last year and a high of 70 in 2008.

This does not distinguish between violent offences and other, less serious, crimes involving firearms; the RPS system is not set up to aggregate data, said Popowich.

Gun crime in Regina decreasing, say police

bounce

 

[DaSleeper]

Huh?? missed the point eh??


Oh, crap as usual, got interrupted and messed up the whole post.


Yes Lepine killed 14 which included himself. The other 4 were collateral damage. His aim was to kill as many feminists as he could, then 4 men merely got in the way.

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You can't even count.......


Marc Lépine (born Gamil Rodrigue Liass Gharbi) (October 26, 1964 – December 6, 1989) was a 25-year-old from Montreal, Canada who murdered fourteen women and wounded ten women and four men[1] at the École Polytechnique, an engineering school affiliated with the Université de Montréal, in the École Polytechnique massacre, also known as the "Montreal Massacre".



Source: Marc Lépine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[bluebyrd35]

Sigh

He killed 14 women, and then he killed himself. No other men died.



As I said, the idiot Liberals could have bought every gun owner in Canada a gun locker, and still saved close to a billion dollars, instead of harassing us to death with ridiculous (and largely ignored) regulations.

Sigh .... He actually shot 28....and this has what to do with whether Canada gun Controls do work? His rampage was only used to point out why and when the LGR was introduced. The awareness of keeping guns locked up, licensing and making gun owners understand the importance of trading, buying and selling guns legally has far more an effect on the lowering of death and injuries by guns.


Eliminating or not of the LGR, by the Tories will neither lower nor raise the rate of gun violence, because it was a tool used by the police to trace guns....The reduction is due to stricter control of firearms, not by the police or the government but by the gun owners themselves. The emphasis on making sure classes on safe handling of guns and the requirements of a locked cupboard or closet to keep them away from those not schooled in the safe handling of guns is the principal reason for the continuing lowering of those stats.

 

[DaSleeper]

Sigh .... He actually shot 28....QUOTE]
Yay!!!! you can add.......
But not quite.....It's 29 when you include him.....


It's what happens when people like you shoot "From the hip" so to speak :lol:

 

[JLM]

Sigh .... He actually shot 28....QUOTE]
Yay!!!! you can add.......
But not quite.....It's 29 when you include him.....


It's what happens when people like you shoot "From the hip" so to speak :lol:

14 is the figure that sticks in my mind, they mention it every year on Dec. 6.

 

[Colpy]

Sigh .... He actually shot 28....and this has what to do with whether Canada gun Controls do work? His rampage was only used to point out why and when the LGR was introduced. The awareness of keeping guns locked up, licensing and making gun owners understand the importance of trading, buying and selling guns legally has far more an effect on the lowering of death and injuries by guns.


Eliminating or not of the LGR, by the Tories will neither lower nor raise the rate of gun violence, because it was a tool used by the police to trace guns....The reduction is due to stricter control of firearms, not by the police or the government but by the gun owners themselves. The emphasis on making sure classes on safe handling of guns and the requirements of a locked cupboard or closet to keep them away from those not schooled in the safe handling of guns is the principal reason for the continuing lowering of those stats.

You do understand that Lepine passed the background check to get a Firearms Acquisition Certificate, and that he bought the Ruger Mini 14 legally.........and that absolutely no law that has been introduced or passed, or withdrawn in the past 25 years would have prevented him from doing exactly the same thing today??

The reduction continues, despite the elimination of the long gun registry. That proves the registry had nothing to do with it. In fact, the sales of long guns and hand guns have been increasing in Canada over the past few years, and the murder rate continues to decline.

Please explain.

 

[JLM]

You do understand that Lepine passed the background check to get a Firearms Acquisition Certificate, and that he bought the Ruger Mini 14 legally.........and that absolutely no law that has been introduced or passed, or withdrawn in the past 25 years would have prevented him from doing exactly the same thing today??

The reduction continues, despite the elimination of the long gun registry. That proves the registry had nothing to do with it. In fact, the sales of long guns and hand guns have been increasing in Canada over the past few years, and the murder rate continues to decline.

Please explain.

There is virtually nothing that can be done to deter people who are determined to commit insane/criminal activity. There are things you can do to improve your own chances but in the end someone is going to get it!

 

[B00Mer]

 

[bluebyrd35]

Sigh .... He actually shot 28....QUOTE]
Yay!!!! you can add.......
But not quite.....It's 29 when you include him.....


It's what happens when people like you shoot "From the hip" so to speak :lol:

Once again, what has my counting ability have to do with gun control?? It is not about if the shooter wore a beard, what he had for lunch. It was about the fact he obviously had a gun along with a mental problem .

Yes. that is so. It is about keeping guns away from those have not a clue about the dangers of handling them. It is not about stopping murders, because all we can do is institute as many safety measures as possible. At least we can reduce accidents somewhat.

You do understand that Lepine passed the background check to get a Firearms Acquisition Certificate, and that he bought the Ruger Mini 14 legally.........and that absolutely no law that has been introduced or passed, or withdrawn in the past 25 years would have prevented him from doing exactly the same thing today??

The reduction continues, despite the elimination of the long gun registry. That proves the registry had nothing to do with it. In fact, the sales of long guns and hand guns have been increasing in Canada over the past few years, and the murder rate continues to decline.

Please explain.

Explain??? again?? Okay last time. Locked gun cabinets, prevents many accidental shootings, and makes it quite a bit more difficult for having the guns stolen. Do you leave your gun lying around the house or your car loaded?? Many do here. I have met those who keep a loaded gun beside them in the car at all times, another who sleeps with a loaded one under his pillow.


Guns are fired into the air at midnight New Year's eve quite often here and it seems that someone fired a hand gun into the air during the recent riots down here. There are not gun shops on every second or third street in Canada either.


You are stuck on criminals and the insane, but down here it is the children that are dying in record numbers, they shoot themselves, each other and their families.


In Canada, at least where I have lived both in Montreal and in a rural community, the attitude has changed. Guns are locked up and when they are brought out for hunting, target shooting etc. a great deal of care is taken. New hunters have had courses and practice before going out with old hands who keep a close eye on them.


Several years ago, there were two Daytona cops with a young daughter living next door. One morning the young daughter came over for a chat. She confided to me that she knew where her mother kept the key to her gun box. I suspect she also knew where her father kept the spare key for his gun box as well. And yes, I let the parents know to move the keys to a safer place.


So again , yes gun control does work. If nothing else it makes everyone aware of the need for keeping guns out of reach of others.

 

[B00Mer]

Yes. that is so. It is about keeping guns away from those have not a clue about the dangers of handling them. It is not about stopping murders, because all we can do is institute as many safety measures as possible. At least we can reduce accidents somewhat.

Agreed, there has to be some gun control.. schools and license requirements..

However, once you pass the course, you should be able to buy a hand gun or rifle..

Hunting, Home Protection, Whatever.....

 

[JLM]

If a person is nuts and you take away his/her gun, what's to prevent he/she from bashing you over the head with a rock?

 

[JamesBondo]

This wonderful country has hospitals yet ultimately I am responsible for my own healthcare so I keep a first aid kit at
Home that is worth several hundred dollars( yep it is a good one)

Some people consider the expensive first aid kit as paranoa, overkill, an unruly act of contempt towards our country's healthcare system.

Sure, I like to hire people to do my dirty work, but even though I am delegating the work I can't delegate away my own responsibility.

 

[bluebyrd35]

Agreed, there has to be some gun control.. schools and license requirements..

However, once you pass the course, you should be able to buy a hand gun or rifle..

Hunting, Home Protection, Whatever.....

You probably can, if you have no criminal records, are over 21 and have not just emerged from a mental institution. I don't know what investigations occur but aside from the age and a certificate of competence, there is no easy way to determine mental status. Have you ever felt the need for a hand gun? There are regulations I know for those who have them for gun club target practice etc.
On the whole most people don't need a hand gun, and keeping it in a locked box won't give easy access in a threat.


So it is a choice between keeping the weapon safely stored where it would do no good in a threat or it getting into careless or criminal hands. My opinion.

If a person is nuts and you take away his/her gun, what's to prevent he/she from bashing you over the head with a rock?

Absolutely nothing, except you can at least duck, kick him in the balls. The thing is, a bullet in the brain, gives you no chance to duck, in fact it would give you no chance to load, aim your own gun after removing it from your lock box. LOL.

 

[DaSleeper]

You probably can, if you have no criminal records, are over 21 and have not just emerged from a mental institution. I don't know what investigations occur but aside from the age and a certificate of competence, there is no easy way to determine mental status. Have you ever felt the need for a hand gun? There are regulations I know for those who have them for gun club target practice etc.
On the whole most people don't need a hand gun, and keeping it in a locked box won't give easy access in a threat.


So it is a choice between keeping the weapon safely stored where it would do no good in a threat or it getting into careless or criminal hands. My opinion.


Absolutely nothing, except you can at least duck, kick him in the balls. The thing is, a bullet in the brain, gives you no chance to duck, in fact it would give you no chance to load, aim your own gun after removing it from your lock box. LOL.

Since you are obviously a neophyte when it comes to firearms..........


Let me google that for you


I fully expect you to keep on prevaricating on the subject since you obviously don't ever admit being wrong..........

 

[B00Mer]

This is what the Anti-Gun Liberals fear.. Looks, Brains, and a damn good shot.

Tired hearing about the Anti-Gun Legislation..you want them, come'n get them..

BTW, my next gun....

A double barrel 45 made by Arsenal Firearms .Not on the market for sale until the summer 0f 2014.

 

[JamesBondo]

Yes, you can pay taxes and delegate the dirty work, but you are still ultimately responsible for your own welfare.

Hell, if you are dumb enough, you can give away your rights for security. Good luck with that.

 

[bluebyrd35]

This is what the Anti-Gun Liberals fear.. Looks, Brains, and a damn good shot.

Tired hearing about the Anti-Gun Legislation..you want them, come'n get them..

BTW, my next gun....

A double barrel 45 made by Arsenal Firearms .Not on the market for sale until the summer 0f 2014.

So the best you can do is try the personal insult route? LOl for goodness sake I have managed very well to date looking after my own security without a firearm in more than two countries. I do not need luck, unlike dumb nuts who think a gun will protect them, I use my brain and not for bullet fodder either.


I hope my taxes are used to keep those who buy guns and either carelessly leave them lying about or use them to intimidate and rob and kill others. It is one of the many uses I hope my taxes go for.

This is what the Anti-Gun Liberals fear.. Looks, Brains, and a damn good shot.

Tired hearing about the Anti-Gun Legislation..you want them, come'n get them..

BTW, my next gun....

A double barrel 45 made by Arsenal Firearms .Not on the market for sale until the summer 0f 2014.

So, I guess I know what gives most males ruled by the small head a hard on. All the gun companies have to do is put on a half dressed pretty girl holding a gun and all basic common sense flies out the window.

 

[B00Mer]

This is what the Anti-Gun Liberals fear.. Looks, Brains, and a damn good shot.

Tired hearing about the Anti-Gun Legislation..you want them, come'n get them..

BTW, my next gun....

A double barrel 45 made by Arsenal Firearms .Not on the market for sale until the summer 0f 2014.

OK explain this one.. WalMart claims to be pro-USA and pro-Conservative and gave me a -1 on this post..

Thinking he a closet Liberal..

So the best you can do is try the personal insult route? LOl for goodness sake I have managed very well to date looking after my own security without a firearm in more than two countries. I do not need luck, unlike dumb nuts who think a gun will protect them, I use my brain and not for bullet fodder either.


I hope my taxes are used to keep those who buy guns and either carelessly leave them lying about or use them to intimidate and rob and kill others. It is one of the many uses I hope my taxes go for.


So, I guess I know what gives most males ruled by the small head a hard on. All the gun companies have to do is put on a half dressed pretty girl holding a gun and all basic common sense flies out the window.

...and the day they rob your **** and shoot you.. oh yeah, you're a Canadian snow bird.. nobody gives a shyte.