How the GW myth is perpetuated

[petros]

Where do we stand in the past 4Ka of climate?

Figure 1 shows the reconstruction of the GISP2 temperature record for the past 4000 years using only a 3-period analytical model (here, they found optimal periods to be at 2804-year, 1186-year and 556-year). The model is somewhat successful in replicating the observed temperature in that it explains over 63% of the changes in the hind-casting period. In order to add scientific weight to their results, the authors also surveyed and extensively discussed the nature of the natural recurrent periods to known cyclical variations of Earth-Moon orbits, as well as to some of the known variations of solar magnetic activity and related solar outputs

 

[Locutus]

gruber even LOOKS like alinsky. :lol:

 

[Zipperfish]

gruber even LOOKS like alinsky. :lol:

Well, that's pretty solid evidence.

An American economics professor looks like a 60's radical threrfore global warming is a pile of crap. Bulletproof! :lol:

 

[Locutus]

Well, that's pretty solid evidence.

An American economics professor looks like a 60's radical threrfore global warming is a pile of crap. Bulletproof! :lol:

no, but ACA is.

 

[DaSleeper]

your are the newbie on here, at least under the current name so it is up to you to read the thread from the beginning to get up to speed. We merrily pointed out that you have not come up with any new material with which to promote your cause. Otherwise all we are doing is reinventing the wheel. Otherwise all you are doing is trolling.
Actually that is not quite true. Trolling infers some movement. What you are doing is the equivalent of mooching.

If he's so new here
his pet religion isn't......

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[captain morgan]

Oh I don't know. We have just had the warmest October and warmest Septmeber on instrumental record in 2014, not to mention the last twelve months (October to October) have been the warmest on record. That's all pretty new material.

What have you got? "It's cold outside." "GUMMINT!!!!!" And those are your better arguments. :lol:

Let's see... An ice free North pole in 2013.

... Nope, I can say with confidence that I'm not that worried about an Indian summer

 

[taxslave]

All scientists? All media? All politicians?

Just the nutbar ones.

Yeah thanks for the link to the Error 404 Page. Very convincing stuff. Here's the article from the Washington Post that I posted yesterday:

Earth has warmest October on record as ocean temperatures top charts

Earth has warmest October on record as ocean temperatures top charts

Multiple datasets have confirmed it was the warmest October on record for the globe, keeping the planet on a course towards its toastiest year.
The Japan Meteorological Agency, NASA, and the University of Alabama’s temperature records all showed October temperatures at the top of charts.

…

Better read what the weather network says before you make yourself look any sillier.

 

[Zipperfish]

Just the nutbar ones.



Better read what the weather network says before you make yourself look any sillier.

I would but your linkie no workie.

 

[taxslave]

I would but your linkie no workie.

I notices. Try google. I got computer problems. Mostly I think it is just too old cause I can't do updates anymore.

 

[captain morgan]

I would but your linkie no workie.

Here ya go.

October 2014: Warmer than average but not record-breaking



Another myth to be relegated to the pile of shattered dreams

 

[Zipperfish]

I notices. Try google. I got computer problems. Mostly I think it is just too old cause I can't do updates anymore.

Found it. That's the weather analysis for the UK only.

 

[Tonington]

Where do we stand in the past 4Ka of climate?

Figure 1 shows the reconstruction of the GISP2 temperature record for the past 4000 years using only a 3-period analytical model (here, they found optimal periods to be at 2804-year, 1186-year and 556-year). The model is somewhat successful in replicating the observed temperature in that it explains over 63% of the changes in the hind-casting period. In order to add scientific weight to their results, the authors also surveyed and extensively discussed the nature of the natural recurrent periods to known cyclical variations of Earth-Moon orbits, as well as to some of the known variations of solar magnetic activity and related solar outputs

:lol:

So GISP2 only goes to 1855! Want to see what present temperatures are compared to GISP2? When you ask where do we stand, you should use up to date graphics. Like this:

:lol:

 

[captain morgan]

Found it. That's the weather analysis for the UK only.

That's enough for me.

You have anything that indicates it was hottest on record for the rest of the globe?

 

[darkbeaver]

NOAA Busted

Reported temps may be 10-15 degrees too high

By John O’Sullivan

11 Aug 10 – (Excerpts) - US Government admits satellite temperature readings “degraded.” All data taken offline in shock move.​

The fault was first detected after a tip off from an anonymous member of the public to climate skeptic blog Climate Change Fraud (9 Aug10).​

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), Program Coordinator, Chuck Pistis has now confirmed that the fast spreading story on the respected climate skeptic blog is true.​

Pistis declined to state how long the fault might have gone undetected. Nor would the shaken spokesman engage in speculation as to the damage done to the credibility of a decade’s worth of temperature readings taken from the problematic ‘NOAA-16’ satellite.​

‘NOAA-16’ was launched in September 2000, and is currently operational, in a sun-synchronous orbit, 849 km above the Earth, orbiting every 102 minutes providing automated data feed of surface temperatures which are fed into climate computer models.​

NOAA has reported a succession of record warm temperatures in recent years based on such satellite readings but these may now all be undermined.​

World-renowned Canadian climatologist, Dr. Timothy Ball, after casting his expert eye over the shocking findings concluded, “At best the entire incident indicates gross incompetence, at worst it indicates a deliberate attempt to create a temperature record that suits the political message of the day.”​

Great Lakes Sees Unphysical Wild Temperature Fluctuations​

Great Lakes users of the satellite service were the first to blow the whistle on the wildly distorted readings that showed a multitude of impossibly high temperatures.​

In one example ... readings for June and July 2010 for Lake Michigan showed crazy temperatures off the scale ranging in the low to mid hundreds - with some parts of the Wisconsin area apparently reaching 612 F.​

(Some of the) hastily hidden web pages ... showed dozens of temperature recordings three or four times higher than seasonal norms. NOAA declined to make any comment as to whether such a glitch could have ramped up the averages for the entire northeastern United States by an average of 10-15 degrees Fahrenheit by going undetected over a longer time scale.​

How Many other Weather Satellites Are Also ‘Degraded’? asks O'Sullivan.​

NOAA Busted - Reported temps may be 10 to 15 degrees too high​

"The urge to save humanity is always
a false front for the urge to rule it":
- H. L. Mencke

 

[EagleSmack]

Daytime highs or overnight lows? It doesn't matter it's weather.

When were the coldest October and September combined?

Anyway they can cut it, divide it, mix it... to get it to say what they want and for the sheep to believe.

 

[taxslave]

NOAA Busted

Reported temps may be 10-15 degrees too high

By John O’Sullivan

11 Aug 10 – (Excerpts) - US Government admits satellite temperature readings “degraded.” All data taken offline in shock move.​

The fault was first detected after a tip off from an anonymous member of the public to climate skeptic blog Climate Change Fraud (9 Aug10).​

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), Program Coordinator, Chuck Pistis has now confirmed that the fast spreading story on the respected climate skeptic blog is true.​

Pistis declined to state how long the fault might have gone undetected. Nor would the shaken spokesman engage in speculation as to the damage done to the credibility of a decade’s worth of temperature readings taken from the problematic ‘NOAA-16’ satellite.​

‘NOAA-16’ was launched in September 2000, and is currently operational, in a sun-synchronous orbit, 849 km above the Earth, orbiting every 102 minutes providing automated data feed of surface temperatures which are fed into climate computer models.​

NOAA has reported a succession of record warm temperatures in recent years based on such satellite readings but these may now all be undermined.​

World-renowned Canadian climatologist, Dr. Timothy Ball, after casting his expert eye over the shocking findings concluded, “At best the entire incident indicates gross incompetence, at worst it indicates a deliberate attempt to create a temperature record that suits the political message of the day.”​

Great Lakes Sees Unphysical Wild Temperature Fluctuations​

Great Lakes users of the satellite service were the first to blow the whistle on the wildly distorted readings that showed a multitude of impossibly high temperatures.​

In one example ... readings for June and July 2010 for Lake Michigan showed crazy temperatures off the scale ranging in the low to mid hundreds - with some parts of the Wisconsin area apparently reaching 612 F.​

(Some of the) hastily hidden web pages ... showed dozens of temperature recordings three or four times higher than seasonal norms. NOAA declined to make any comment as to whether such a glitch could have ramped up the averages for the entire northeastern United States by an average of 10-15 degrees Fahrenheit by going undetected over a longer time scale.​

How Many other Weather Satellites Are Also ‘Degraded’? asks O'Sullivan.​

NOAA Busted - Reported temps may be 10 to 15 degrees too high​

"The urge to save humanity is always
a false front for the urge to rule it":
- H. L. Mencke

That is going to hurt.
HEy waldo, how's your azz feeling?

 

[darkbeaver]

It\s bean around for a while but I guess it's bean forgotten, somehow. The CO2 idiots may have been the victims of bad machinery. I hope that is the case, if not then it means the lunatics are running the asylum.

 

[Tonington]

Found it. That's the weather analysis for the UK only.

Monthly records?

Here's NASA. August, September, and October, though October only tied 2005 for warmest.

Japan's global dataset shows August, September, and October were the warmest.

NOAA October data not out yet, but September was the warmest, as was August.

I agree with others though, I don't think this tells us much by itself. I like statistical treatment of data. So here's what it looks like, the solid black line is the trend, the black dashed line is 2 standard deviations (i.e. we expect 95% of the observations to fall within this range), the black zig zagging line connecting dots is the raw data. The blue solid line is the trend if there is a pause, and the blue dashed line is again the 2 standard deviations of variation we can expect. The red lines are a continuation of the pre-1998 trend. Here's what no warming would look like:

Here's what happened:

Whoa, 10/16 fall outside of the paused trend plus 2 standard deviations. That's 62.5% of the observations, and by my math that far exceeds the 5% we would expect if the pause was real.

And so nobody thinks the start time was cherry picked, the data starts in 1979, so that the instrument record can be compared to the deniers favourite, the satellites, which begin recording data in 1979:

RSS

5/16 outside of the pause trend plus 2 standard deviations, 31.25%, still a hell of a lot more than 5%.

and UAH

10/16 outside of the pause trend plus 2 standard deviations, 62.5%, the same as the UK thermometer record.

The years post-1998 have stayed within the variation of the pre-existing trends, (the red dashed lines) i.e. no evidence that the warming trend has stopped. Further, the temperature has exceeded the variation one would expect if the warming had stopped, evidenced by the dots occuring outside of the blue dashed lines, and that is evidence against that silly hypothesis. It's silly because, the other satellites still measure that at the top of our atmosphere, more energy goes in than comes out, i.e. warming is the expected behaviour of the system.

Seems pretty clear, no? The majority of observations are even on the plus side of the expected variation...

 

[taxslave]

I'll go with lunatics running the asylum.

 

[waldo]

ya see... I'd ask you to cite that same, as you say, "past descredited material"... But member 'locutus' effectively told me to "go pound sand" when i played the 'citation request' card. Apparently, as a noob around here, i need to go on through a brazillion past threads/posts to "get up to speed". :lol:

now, if you'd like to actually take it upon yourself to provide me a link to past cc posts that have, as you say, discredited my "same material", please do so. Waiting.....​

your are the newbie on here, at least under the current name so it is up to you to read the thread from the beginning to get up to speed. We merrily pointed out that you have not come up with any new material with which to promote your cause. Otherwise all we are doing is reinventing the wheel. Otherwise all you are doing is trolling. Actually that is not quite true. Trolling infers some movement. What you are doing is the equivalent of mooching.

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you say I'm not adding anything new that hasn't already been debunked by you geniuses here. Since I'm only responding to recent posts, then you guys are simply repeating yourselves... why your own repeats then? Are you trying to convince yourselves? :lol: In any case, that's quite the lil' scam you're playing... you refuse to support your claims... cause... they've been made before and you also claim, they're irrefutable! Typical denier tripe!