OMG!! The IDF are in the streets of Missouri now in dumbeavers head. Has your doctor ever considered upping the dosage on your meds.
Ferguson riots: Clashes, looting in Missouri following vigil for teen shot dead by po
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OMG!! The IDF are in the streets of Missouri now in dumbeavers head. Has your doctor ever considered upping the dosage on your meds.
Police have also been known for planting evidence at crime scenes to "justify" their actions even when the victim was shot in the back. This is why so few face criminal charges. Then the victim's family sues the city and gets millions while the police retire and enjoy their publicly paid pensions.
mindset -
Well we've seen some right wingers demanding that Obama intervene militarily in Syria and Iraq in order to stop government or organized violence against an unarmed citizenry. But we have yet to see anyone develop the mindset to demand that similar action be taken domestically. Gee, I wonder why ....
Well we've seen some right wingers demanding that Obama intervene militarily in Syria and Iraq in order to stop government or organized violence against an unarmed citizenry. But we have yet to see anyone develop the mindset to demand that similar action be taken domestically. Gee, I wonder why ....
It's monies policy to rile to win. I expect you'll favour a democratic solution. They own that too.
and some on the left want the national so-called guard in on this. the national guard.
and since nobody axed the other question...why did these typical savage cowards damage, loot and steal from unrelated businesses and townsfolk?...why doesn't the press get on that one for awhile...we always give it pass it seems...guess that's what state farm is for eh neighbour?
lemme axe you a question: why can't these brave stand-up citizens loot a suspenders store?
and since nobody axed the other question...why did these typical savage cowards damage, loot and steal from unrelated businesses and townsfolk?...why doesn't the press get on that one for awhile...we always give it pass it seems...guess that's what state farm is for eh neighbour?
which "press" are you talking about? it was all over the tv/radio news and all throughout the internet
They even showed where news media were pushed and arrested by cops for no reason other than to stop them from doing their job.
Excellent piece by Radley Balko on policing demonstrations. It's long, but worth it.
After Ferguson, how should police respond to protests? - The Washington Post
After Ferguson, how should police respond to protests? - The Washington Post
We seem to have forgotten the wise words of Robert Peel (British PM inaugurated in 1834, and whose name inspired the term "bobbies"):
The police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full time attention to duties which are incumbent on every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
Good find.
All too often people forget that our Founding Fathers taught over 200 years ago - justice must first exist in a society in order to for peace to prevail. No justice, no peace. This is something they learned from the Bible, from Cicero, and from Erasmus. The commentator is that well written piece hints at he recognition of this in a modern society.
Two wrongs do not make a right..egads we just cliched .
It's an edgy neighborhood for a cop to work in. yes/no?
Cops sometimes overreact out of fear.
the cop might not have actually seen the reality of the movements of the person.
Misinterpretation and fear and holding a gun in an edgy neighborhood.
As for the looting, it's sort of common when all hell breaks loose.
Poor people with little scruples will smash and grab.
It's all so ...so....what?!? America !!! It is all about levels in certain socioeconomic formats . begotton by a past history that bubbles under the surface of everything American.
Cascading kaleidoscopic events in these areas with lower income peoples will always end in pretty much the same.
If we address the real issue here, people will scream socialism.
So we don't and wait for the next Watts or Compton Rodney Kingesque and now Ferguson. Property values just dived as did the socioeconomics of the neighborhoods.
I would look at the educational disparities more than the smash and grab antics.
Failure to educate the realities of this is the same as the Quebec separatist issues and draconian language laws in Canada.
How do you know he isn't a welder?
Concealed carry licenses for everyone. Hell if your ready to give criminals guns no point in making the rest of us get a permit either, just hand everyone over 10 a handgun.
Missed that one. Will try to do better. Sorry.:-(
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Michael Brown shooting: The police's military-like response to Missouri riots - World - CBC News
Little article bout cops acting like citizens are the enemy. couldn't resist. even from CBC .
Ferguson riots: Clashes, looting in Missouri following vigil for teen shot dead by police
A day of protests and vigils Sunday over the death of Michael Brown, a black teenager who was killed following an altercation with a Ferguson police officer, turned violent overnight with reports of riots and looting.
#FergusonShooting: Outrage as Missouri police shoot and kill ‘unarmed’ black teen
A gathering of mourners at the shooting site Sunday night for Brown, 18, who was to begin his first day in college today, quickly turned violent as people struggled to understand how police could shoot an unarmed teenager in broad daylight.
"We are currently experiencing a riot," a Ferguson police dispatcher said.
The sound of gunfire was reported in the neighborhood late Sunday.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5_ZrN30dDg
About 150 officers in riot gear from throughout St. Louis County, along with canine units and a SWAT team, were sent to the area, a dispatcher for the St. Louis County Police Department said.
There was no immediate word on injuries.
Although authorities are still investigating the incident, St. Louis Police Chief Jon Belmar said a struggle between Brown and a police officer ensued inside of a police cruiser.
"It is our understanding at this point in the investigation, that within the police car, there was a struggle over the officer's weapon," Belmar told a news conference on Sunday.
Ferguson police cars are not equipped with dash cameras, which would have proven valuable to investigators, nor are there surveillance cameras at the apartment complex where the incident occurred.
Police officials will be hard pressed to explain why the victim was reportedly shot eight times in the course of the altercation.
Brown's mother told local TV channel KSDK that her son was ready to go to college and was visiting his grandmother when the incident took place.
"He didn't bother nobody," she said. "They told me how many times my son was shot - eight," she added.
The officer involved in the incident, who has not been identified, has been described as a six-year veteran and has been put on administrative leave, Belmar told reporters.
The shooting has brought to the surface lingering tensions between “black residents of North County and a predominantly white Ferguson police force,” the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported Meanwhile, officials have not disclosed the race of the police officer who killed Michael Brown.
St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay tweeted Sunday saying he stands with County Executive Charlie Dooley in his call "for a full and open inquiry into yesterday's shooting in Ferguson."
source: Ferguson riots: Clashes, looting in Missouri following vigil for teen shot dead by police ? RT USA
Wow, Religion of Peace.... Crazy Muslims.
Deport the whole lot of them. Always jumping to violence & angry all the time. If they can't adopt to Western Society of peace and tranquillity then get them out of the country.
..... Oh... Wait a minute...... :lol:
Dear people of Ferguson, hand-wringers, crybabies, conspiracy kooks, middle-aged white guys in wife-beaters, black folk and all you others moaner 'n' groaners and concerned citizens...please read this:
Anyone who thinks race does not skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention, Sen. Rand Paul writes for TIME, amid violence in Ferguson, Mo. over the police shooting death of Michael Brown
The shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown is an awful tragedy that continues to send shockwaves through the community of Ferguson, Missouri and across the nation.
If I had been told to get out of the street as a teenager, there would have been a distinct possibility that I might have smarted off. But, I wouldn’t have expected to be shot.
The outrage in Ferguson is understandable—though there is never an excuse for rioting or looting. There is a legitimate role for the police to keep the peace, but there should be a difference between a police response and a military response.
The images and scenes we continue to see in Ferguson resemble war more than traditional police action.
Glenn Reynolds, in Popular Mechanics, recognized the increasing militarization of the police five years ago. In 2009 he wrote:
Anyone who thinks race does not skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention, Sen. Rand Paul writes for TIME, amid violence in Ferguson, Mo. over the police shooting death of Michael Brown
The shooting of 18-year-old Michael Brown is an awful tragedy that continues to send shockwaves through the community of Ferguson, Missouri and across the nation.
If I had been told to get out of the street as a teenager, there would have been a distinct possibility that I might have smarted off. But, I wouldn’t have expected to be shot.
The outrage in Ferguson is understandable—though there is never an excuse for rioting or looting. There is a legitimate role for the police to keep the peace, but there should be a difference between a police response and a military response.
The images and scenes we continue to see in Ferguson resemble war more than traditional police action.
Glenn Reynolds, in Popular Mechanics, recognized the increasing militarization of the police five years ago. In 2009 he wrote:
Soldiers and police are supposed to be different. … Police look inward. They’re supposed to protect their fellow citizens from criminals, and to maintain order with a minimum of force.
It’s the difference between Audie Murphy and Andy Griffith. But nowadays, police are looking, and acting, more like soldiers than cops, with bad consequences. And those who suffer the consequences are usually innocent civilians.
The Cato Institute’s Walter Olson observed this week how the rising militarization of law enforcement is currently playing out in Ferguson:
Why armored vehicles in a Midwestern inner suburb? Why would cops wear camouflage gear against a terrain patterned by convenience stores and beauty parlors? Why are the authorities in Ferguson, Mo. so given to quasi-martial crowd control methods (such as bans on walking on the street) and, per the reporting of Riverfront Times, the firing of tear gas at people in their own yards? (“‘This my property!’ he shouted, prompting police to fire a tear gas canister directly at his face.”) Why would someone identifying himself as an 82nd Airborne Army veteran, observing the Ferguson police scene, comment that “We rolled lighter than that in an actual warzone”? Olson added, “the dominant visual aspect of the story, however, has been the sight of overpowering police forces confronting unarmed protesters who are seen waving signs or just their hands.”
How did this happen?
Most police officers are good cops and good people. It is an unquestionably difficult job, especially in the current circumstances.
There is a systemic problem with today’s law enforcement.
Not surprisingly, big government has been at the heart of the problem. Washington has incentivized the militarization of local police precincts by using federal dollars to help municipal governments build what are essentially small armies—where police departments compete to acquire military gear that goes far beyond what most of Americans think of as law enforcement.
This is usually done in the name of fighting the war on drugs or terrorism. The Heritage Foundation’s Evan Bernick wrote in 2013 that, “the Department of Homeland Security has handed out anti-terrorism grants to cities and towns across the country, enabling them to buy armored vehicles, guns, armor, aircraft, and other equipment.”
Bernick continued, “federal agencies of all stripes, as well as local police departments in towns with populations less than 14,000, come equipped with SWAT teams and heavy artillery.”
Bernick noted the cartoonish imbalance between the equipment some police departments possess and the constituents they serve, “today, Bossier Parish, Louisiana, has a .50 caliber gun mounted on an armored vehicle. The Pentagon gives away millions of pieces of military equipment to police departments across the country—tanks included.”
When you couple this militarization of law enforcement with an erosion of civil liberties and due process that allows the police to become judge and jury—national security letters, no-knock searches, broad general warrants, pre-conviction forfeiture—we begin to have a very serious problem on our hands.
Given these developments, it is almost impossible for many Americans not to feel like their government is targeting them. Given the racial disparities in our criminal justice system, it is impossible for African-Americans not to feel like their government is particularly targeting them.
This is part of the anguish we are seeing in the tragic events outside of St. Louis, Missouri. It is what the citizens of Ferguson feel when there is an unfortunate and heartbreaking shooting like the incident with Michael Brown.
Anyone who thinks that race does not still, even if inadvertently, skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention. Our prisons are full of black and brown men and women who are serving inappropriately long and harsh sentences for non-violent mistakes in their youth.
The militarization of our law enforcement is due to an unprecedented expansion of government power in this realm. It is one thing for federal officials to work in conjunction with local authorities to reduce or solve crime. It is quite another for them to subsidize it.
Americans must never sacrifice their liberty for an illusive and dangerous, or false, security. This has been a cause I have championed for years, and one that is at a near-crisis point in our country.
Let us continue to pray for Michael Brown’s family, the people of Ferguson, police, and citizens alike.
Paul is the junior U.S. Senator for Kentucky.
Senator Rand Paul on Ferguson: We Must Demilitarize the Police - TIME
stay frosty my friends
It’s the difference between Audie Murphy and Andy Griffith. But nowadays, police are looking, and acting, more like soldiers than cops, with bad consequences. And those who suffer the consequences are usually innocent civilians.
The Cato Institute’s Walter Olson observed this week how the rising militarization of law enforcement is currently playing out in Ferguson:
Why armored vehicles in a Midwestern inner suburb? Why would cops wear camouflage gear against a terrain patterned by convenience stores and beauty parlors? Why are the authorities in Ferguson, Mo. so given to quasi-martial crowd control methods (such as bans on walking on the street) and, per the reporting of Riverfront Times, the firing of tear gas at people in their own yards? (“‘This my property!’ he shouted, prompting police to fire a tear gas canister directly at his face.”) Why would someone identifying himself as an 82nd Airborne Army veteran, observing the Ferguson police scene, comment that “We rolled lighter than that in an actual warzone”? Olson added, “the dominant visual aspect of the story, however, has been the sight of overpowering police forces confronting unarmed protesters who are seen waving signs or just their hands.”
How did this happen?
Most police officers are good cops and good people. It is an unquestionably difficult job, especially in the current circumstances.
There is a systemic problem with today’s law enforcement.
Not surprisingly, big government has been at the heart of the problem. Washington has incentivized the militarization of local police precincts by using federal dollars to help municipal governments build what are essentially small armies—where police departments compete to acquire military gear that goes far beyond what most of Americans think of as law enforcement.
This is usually done in the name of fighting the war on drugs or terrorism. The Heritage Foundation’s Evan Bernick wrote in 2013 that, “the Department of Homeland Security has handed out anti-terrorism grants to cities and towns across the country, enabling them to buy armored vehicles, guns, armor, aircraft, and other equipment.”
Bernick continued, “federal agencies of all stripes, as well as local police departments in towns with populations less than 14,000, come equipped with SWAT teams and heavy artillery.”
Bernick noted the cartoonish imbalance between the equipment some police departments possess and the constituents they serve, “today, Bossier Parish, Louisiana, has a .50 caliber gun mounted on an armored vehicle. The Pentagon gives away millions of pieces of military equipment to police departments across the country—tanks included.”
When you couple this militarization of law enforcement with an erosion of civil liberties and due process that allows the police to become judge and jury—national security letters, no-knock searches, broad general warrants, pre-conviction forfeiture—we begin to have a very serious problem on our hands.
Given these developments, it is almost impossible for many Americans not to feel like their government is targeting them. Given the racial disparities in our criminal justice system, it is impossible for African-Americans not to feel like their government is particularly targeting them.
This is part of the anguish we are seeing in the tragic events outside of St. Louis, Missouri. It is what the citizens of Ferguson feel when there is an unfortunate and heartbreaking shooting like the incident with Michael Brown.
Anyone who thinks that race does not still, even if inadvertently, skew the application of criminal justice in this country is just not paying close enough attention. Our prisons are full of black and brown men and women who are serving inappropriately long and harsh sentences for non-violent mistakes in their youth.
The militarization of our law enforcement is due to an unprecedented expansion of government power in this realm. It is one thing for federal officials to work in conjunction with local authorities to reduce or solve crime. It is quite another for them to subsidize it.
Americans must never sacrifice their liberty for an illusive and dangerous, or false, security. This has been a cause I have championed for years, and one that is at a near-crisis point in our country.
Let us continue to pray for Michael Brown’s family, the people of Ferguson, police, and citizens alike.
Paul is the junior U.S. Senator for Kentucky.
Senator Rand Paul on Ferguson: We Must Demilitarize the Police - TIME
stay frosty my friends
Maybe they should try grazing cattle in Ferguson. Maybe the right will support the protests then.
I'm just trying to find out the difference here. Is it because they don't have guns? Is it a gun thing? What about cattle? The right really cares about cattle, right? Health care? They go on and on about government tyranny and yet here it is without the anti-state right coming out. Gee golly, what's the difference?
Yeah, somebody pointed out that in the Cliven Bundy case, Federal officers who had rifles pointed at them stayed calm and talked and negotiated with people. No tear gas, no baton rounds, no journalists arrested and gassed, no curfew.
I guess that situation had a different complexion, ifyaknowwhatImean (wink wink).