Second Iraq city falls to Al Qaeda-aligned militants

B00Mer

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They just got out. I doubt very many Americans would support going into Iraq again. If the Iraqi government can't stand on its own thats their problem.

He could have droned the insurgents when they had the opportunity and they were in known locations working on military equipment and supplies.

Now they are dressed as civilians and mingling so now they don't know who to shoot

that is a fine line, Boomer. Does Homeland Security make that distinction?

Yawn.. keep trolling Spade..
 

Kreskin

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Nyah's 30 day war plan was a farce from the start. There was no end game due to the fact there was justification.
 

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No kidding. First thing I thought too, while reading about the ascenddance of Islamists in Iraq: Thanks Obama.


:lol:

Dubya may have started it, but Obama willfully lost it.

If Obama was an Islamist mole in the White House seeking to destroy America, what would he do differently??

Not much.
 

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Dubya may have started it, but Obama willfully lost it.

If Obama was an Islamist mole in the White House seeking to destroy America, what would he do differently??

Not much.
The funny part is that when Obama was taking credit for getting us out of Iraq, the Obama-haters were screeching that he was only following the timetable Bush put in place before he left office. Now that things are coming apart, the Obama-haters have completely forgotten that Obama was following Bush's timetable.

Not surprising. ODS leaves little cranial capacity for anything like facts.
 

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Dubya may have started it, but Obama willfully lost it.

If Obama was an Islamist mole in the White House seeking to destroy America, what would he do differently??

Not much.

Fail to prevent the worst terrorist attack in American history.
Invade two countries without an plan; get the country bogged down two insurgencies with no end.
Use the war as an excuse to enrich his friends with government contracts. Blow trillions of dollars.
All of this actually fails to capture those responsible for the terrorist attack. Not give a ****.
Do nothing while an American city is destroyed by a natural disaster.
Oversee the collapse of the economy.
 

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Fail to prevent the worst terrorist attack in American history.
Invade two countries without an plan; get the country bogged down two insurgencies with no end.
Use the war as an excuse to enrich his friends with government contracts. Blow trillions of dollars.
All of this actually fails to capture those responsible for the terrorist attack. Not give a ****.
Do nothing while an American city is destroyed by a natural disaster.
Oversee the collapse of the economy.

In defense of Dubya (yes, really)

He was in power for 8 months when 9-11 happened........I think the failure to deal with Osama et al hardly rests with him alone.

Saddam Hussein was a looney who ignored the cease-fire signed 10 years before. WMDs or no, there were LOTS of reasons to whack Iraq.......that said, the Americans failed to foresee a continuing insurrection, as they firmly believe EVERYONE wants to be an American at heart, and they are wrong.

They really had no other option with Afghanistan. As, in a few years, they will have no other option but to re-invade Iraq.....unless, of course, the lunatic Islamists get all obsessed with their own war, and Iraq (Sunni) and Iran (Shia) go at it yet again. It is an awful thing when the best possible future is never-ending bloody war.

Yeah, he flopped big time on Katrina.

Dubya was not malicious, he just wasn't up to the job. He was, even at that, much more competent than Obama. Like I said, he may have started the wars, he did not LOSE them.......

Oh, as for the economy, you should check out who deregulated Wall Street (Clinton) and who co-sponsored a (failed) bill to re-regulate the Wall Street Scum (McCain),
 

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I would like to draw something to the attention of all the folks who blindly love Comrade Obama. Blaming Bush may be emotionally satisfying, but it fails to deal with the inexorable hand of external reality.

External reality has permitted the rise of ever more virulent forms of Islamism. ISIS, Boko Haram, Abu Sayyef, Al Qaeda in the Islamic Magreb, et al. exist, are metastasizing, and reaching critical mass. This is happening right now.

Barack Obama is the President of the United States of America at this moment in history. He wanted the job. Now that he has the job he is obligated to determine the best course of action, and to act effectively to protect the lives of his people, their friends and allies, and to preserve their well being. None of those obligations can be accomplished by blaming the errors of George W. Bush.

Don't you all agree? Of course you do. You are compelled by logic expressed adroitly.
 

petros

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I would like to draw something to the attention of all the folks who blindly love Comrade Obama. Blaming Bush may be emotionally satisfying, but it fails to deal with the inexorable hand of external reality.

External reality has permitted the rise of ever more virulent forms of Islamism. ISIS, Boko Haram, Abu Sayyef, Al Qaeda in the Islamic Magreb, et al. exist, are metastasizing, and reaching critical mass. This is happening right now.

Barack Obama is the President of the United States of America at this moment in history. He wanted the job. Now that he has the job he is obligated to determine the best course of action, and to act effectively to protect the lives of his people, their friends and allies, and to preserve their well being. None of those obligations can be accomplished by blaming the errors of George W. Bush.

Don't you all agree? Of course you do. You are compelled by logic expressed adroitly.

Fighting in the proxy wars is a good paying job to them just like $7 week was good money in WWII. If there wasn't such crazy unemployment at the time volunteers would have been hard to find.

It's been going on for thousands of years.
 

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In defense of Dubya (yes, really)

He was in power for 8 months when 9-11 happened........I think the failure to deal with Osama et al hardly rests with him alone.

Saddam Hussein was a looney who ignored the cease-fire signed 10 years before. WMDs or no, there were LOTS of reasons to whack Iraq.......that said, the Americans failed to foresee a continuing insurrection, as they firmly believe EVERYONE wants to be an American at heart, and they are wrong.

They really had no other option with Afghanistan. As, in a few years, they will have no other option but to re-invade Iraq.....unless, of course, the lunatic Islamists get all obsessed with their own war, and Iraq (Sunni) and Iran (Shia) go at it yet again. It is an awful thing when the best possible future is never-ending bloody war.

Yeah, he flopped big time on Katrina.

Dubya was not malicious, he just wasn't up to the job. He was, even at that, much more competent than Obama. Like I said, he may have started the wars, he did not LOSE them.......

Oh, as for the economy, you should check out who deregulated Wall Street (Clinton) and who co-sponsored a (failed) bill to re-regulate the Wall Street Scum (McCain),

The United States was a trainwreck when Obama took over in 2009, but apparently only his actions are said to be indistinguishable from a secret Muslim conspiracy. After 9/11 the United States destroyed it's political, military and economic position more than Al Qaeda could have even imagined. If George W Bush wasn't a deeply embedded Al Qaeda agent, what would he have done differently? Even invading Afghanistan made Al Qaeda stronger.
 

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Yup. I believe Bush was f-cked over on 911 and Iraq. Cheney, Rummy, Wolfowitz worked him well.



Yes poor poor Bush. Was he that friggin stupid that he could be manipulated so easily or couldn't make his own informed decisions as President.


If he couldn't keep a leash on his people either, than no matter how you look at it, he was a pretty bad leader.
 

BaalsTears

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Fighting in the proxy wars is a good paying job to them just like $7 week was good money in WWII. If there wasn't such crazy unemployment at the time volunteers would have been hard to find.

It's been going on for thousands of years.

That's correct in a short sighted sort of way. What's good for a number of individuals in the here and now isn't always the best interests for a society or a civilization.

The issue remains whether Obama will lead, follow or get out of the way.

The United States was a trainwreck when Obama took over in 2009, but apparently only his actions are said to be indistinguishable from a secret Muslim conspiracy. After 9/11 the United States destroyed it's political, military and economic position more than Al Qaeda could have even imagined. If George W Bush wasn't a deeply embedded Al Qaeda agent, what would he have done differently? Even invading Afghanistan made Al Qaeda stronger.

What has Obama done to improve the situation? Furthering empowering the NSA isn't the right answer.