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[Blackleaf]

concentration camp (n.)
1901, "compound for noncombatants in a war zone" (see concentration); a controversial idea from the second Boer War (1899-1902), and the term emerged with a bad odor. In reference to prisons for dissidents and minorities in Nazi Germany from 1934, in Soviet Russia from 1935

The term "concentration camp", as I've pointed out, comes from the reconcentrados (reconcentration camps), that were set up by the Yanks during the Philippines' war of independence.

The Americans were also rounding up Native Indians into concentration camps as far back as the 1830s, long before the British were using them for Boer POWs.

That the British invented concentration camps is a MYTH peddled, even on websites, by ignoramuses.

The Polish historian Władysław Konopczyński has suggested the first concentration camps were created in Poland in the 18th century, during the Bar Confederation rebellion, when the Russian Empire established three concentration camps for Polish rebel captives awaiting deportation to Siberia.

The earliest of these camps may have been those set up in the United States for Cherokee and other Native Americans in the 1830s; however, the term originated in the reconcentrados (reconcentration camps) set up by the Spanish military in Cuba during the Ten Years' War (1868–1878 ) and by the United States during the Philippine–American War (1899–1902).

Internment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Colpy]

You said that the British used concentration camps in the Boer War and that "tens of thousands" were killed in them.

Could you give me a more precise figure? Preferably not one from the BBC or the The Guardian.

Can you also tell me where the term "concentration camp" comes from. Because I don't believe it was the British. I believe it sprang from the camps that the Americans killed hundreds of thousands of Filipinos in during the American-Philippine war (a far greater number than were killed by the British during the Second Boer War).

The conflict arose from the struggle of the First Philippine Republic to secure independence from the United States following the latter's acquisition of the Philippines from Spain following the Spanish–American War. Opposition in the United States to occupation of the Philippines inspired the founding of the Anti-Imperialist League on June 15, 1898.

The United States fighting a war of imperialism against another country because that country wanted independence from the United States? Ahhh, the irony.

Concentration camps

Filipino villagers were forced into concentration camps called reconcentrados (from which comes the term "concentration camp") which were surrounded by free-fire zones, or in other words “dead zones.” Furthermore, these camps were overcrowded and filled with disease, causing the death rate to be extremely high. Conditions in these “reconcentrados” are generally acknowledged to have been inhumane. Between January and April 1902, 8,350 prisoners of approximately 298,000 died. Some camps incurred death rates as high as 20 percent. "One camp was two miles by one mile (3.2 by 1.6 km) in area and 'home' to some 8,000 Filipinos. Men were rounded up for questioning, tortured, and summarily executed."

American soldiers standing over the bodies of some of the many Filipinos who perished in the “reconcentrados” (concentration camps) during their fight for independence from the US

In Batangas Province, where General Franklin Bell was responsible for setting up a concentration camp, a correspondent described the operation as “relentless.” General Bell ordered that by December 25, 1901, the entire population of both Batangas Province and Laguna Province had to gather into small areas within the “poblacion” of their respective towns. Barrio families had to bring everything they could carry because anything left behind—including houses, gardens, carts, poultry and animals—was to be burned by the U.S. Army. Anyone found outside the concentration camps was shot. General Bell insisted that he had built these camps to "protect friendly natives from the insurgents, assure them an adequate food supply" while teaching them "proper sanitary standards." The commandant of one of the camps referred to them as the "suburbs of Hell."[

Your lack of knowledge of history is surpassed only by your arrogance.

When that incompetent idiot and butcher Kitchener replaced Roberts as commander in South Africa, he ordered the land be cleared of anything that could support the Boer, and instituted a scorched earth policy. farms were burned, women and children imprisoned in 45 different "white" camps. Somewhere between 25,000 and 30,000 civilians died..........and they were referred to as "concentration camps" at the time.

Women & Children in White Concentration Camps during the Anglo-Boer War, 1900-1902 | South African History Online

You could call the US and UK use of concentration camps a parallel development.....but only the Brits used them in an effort to clear the land and imprison an entire population.

And "internment" camps were used by the Spanish before either the Brits or the USA.

 

[Goober]

The term "concentration camp", as I've pointed out, comes from the reconcentrados (reconcentration camps), that were set up by the Yanks during the Philippines' war of independence.

The Americans were also rounding up Native Indians into concentration camps as far back as the 1830s, long before the British were using them for Boer POWs.

That the British invented concentration camps is a MYTH peddled, even on websites, by ignoramuses.

The Polish historian Władysław Konopczyński has suggested the first concentration camps were created in Poland in the 18th century, during the Bar Confederation rebellion, when the Russian Empire established three concentration camps for Polish rebel captives awaiting deportation to Siberia.

The earliest of these camps may have been those set up in the United States for Cherokee and other Native Americans in the 1830s; however, the term originated in the reconcentrados (reconcentration camps) set up by the Spanish military in Cuba during the Ten Years' War (1868–1878 ) and by the United States during the Philippine–American War (1899–1902).

Internment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes I am well aware of the above.
But here ya go.

British Concentration Camps of the South African War 1900-1902
Eventually, there were a total of 45 tented camps built for Boer internees and 64 for black Africans. Of the 28,000 Boer men captured as prisoners of war, 25,630 were sent overseas. The vast majority of Boers remaining in the local camps were women and children. Over 26,000 women and children were to perish in these concentration camps.
The camps were poorly administered from the outset and became increasingly overcrowded when Kitchener's troops implemented the internment strategy on a vast scale. Conditions were terrible for the health of the internees, mainly due to neglect, poor hygiene, bad sanitation and food shortages. The food rations were meagre, there was a two tier allocation policy whereby wives and children of men who were still fighting were routinely given smaller rations than others. The inadequate shelter, poor diet, inadequate hygiene and overcrowding led to malnutrition and endemic contagious diseases such as measles, typhoid and dysentery to which the children were particularly vulnerable. Coupled with a shortage of medical facilities many of the internees died.
SULAIR: South African War / Boer War. Concentration Camps

K also wrote at this time to Brodrick defending his policy of sweeps, and emphasizing that no new Boer families were being brought in unless they were in danger of starving. [Cd. 902, no.12, p.119-20] About the same time and supporting Milner's viewpoint, the Fawcett Commission report, December 1901, stated:
to turn 100,000 people now being held in the concentration camps out on the veldt to take care of themselves would be cruelty . . . [p.4] (3)
In March 1901, just as Kitchener's troops begin to bring tens-of-thousands of "refugees" into the camps, Liberal members of Parliament C.P Scott and John Ellis took up the attack on the camp system and first used the term "concentration camp." [Hansard XC, March 1 1901].

[Hansard XCV, 573, June 17, 1901]. During this time C-B showed his own new-found radicalism concerning the War. [Hansard XCV, 583-622, June 17, 1901] Brodrick replied for the Government. [Hansard XCV, 590-597] LG's motion condemning the camps was defeated 252 to 149. [Hansard XCV, 622]
Then in July complete statistical returns from camps were sent by K., and by August it was clear to Government and Opposition alike that Miss Hobhouse's worst fears were being confirmed (93,940 whites and 24, 457 blacks in "camps of refuge" and the crisis was becoming a catatrophe as the death rates appeared very high. [Cd. 608, Cd. 694]

 

[Blackleaf]

Your lack of knowledge of history is surpassed only by your arrogance.

When that incompetent idiot and butcher Kitchener replaced Roberts as commander in South Africa, he ordered the land be cleared of anything that could support the Boer,
Women & Children in White Concentration Camps during the Anglo-Boer War, 1900-1902 | South African History Online

Where is the evidence that the British invented the term "concentration camp"? That's the trouble with this forum. You show people the evidence in black and white yet they still believe what they want to believe.

The Americans were interring Native Americans in concentration camps as early as the 1830s - which killed 4,000 Cherokee. This was DECADES before the Second Boer War.



Cherokee internment camps

The deaths and desertions in the Army's boat detachments caused Gen Scott to suspend the Army's Removal efforts, and the remaining Cherokees were put into eleven internment camps, mostly located near Ross' Landing (now Chattanooga, TN) and at Red Clay, Bedwell Springs, Chatata, Mouse Creek, Rattlesnake Springs, Chestooe, and Calhoun (site of the former Cherokee Agency) located within Bradley County, TN and one camp (Fort Payne) in Alabama.

Cherokees remained in the camps during the summer of 1838 and were plagued by dysentery and other illnesses, which led to 353 deaths. A group of Cherokees petitioned General Scott for a delay until cooler weather made the journey less hazardous. This was granted; meanwhile Chief Ross, finally accepting defeat, managed to have the remainder of the removal turned over to the supervision of the Cherokee Council. Although there were some objections within the U.S. government because of the additional cost, General Scott awarded a contract for removing the remaining 11,000 Cherokees under the supervision of Principal Chief Ross, with expenses to be paid by the Army.


Cherokee removal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The term concentration camp term originated in the reconcentrados (reconcentration camps) set up by the Spanish military in Cuba during the Ten Years' War (1868–1878, long BEFORE the Boer War) and by the United States during the Philippine-War(1899–1902).

and instituted a scorched earth policy. farms were burned, women and children imprisoned in 45 different "white" camps. Somewhere between 25,000 and 30,000 civilians died..........and they were referred to as "concentration camps" at the time.

Bull****.

The British captured 28,000 Boer men as prisoners of war.

Of those 28,000, the British sent 25,630 - the vast majority - overseas. The vast majority of Boers remaining in the local camps were women and children. Your figures of between 25,000 and 30,000 killed is a load of nonsense.

 

[darkbeaver]

The British are people of the covenant.

 

[Blackleaf]

but only the Brits used them in an effort to clear the land and imprison an entire population.

And "internment" camps were used by the Spanish before either the Brits or the USA.

Where did you get this nonsense from? The British captured 29,000 POWs. Of these, 26,000 were sent overseas. To say that the British were trying to "imprison a whole population" is complete hogwash of the highest order. Do you make such ludicrous nonsense up yourself or are you brainwashed into thinking it by attending your local "The British Are Evil And Wanted To Wipe Out Humanity School"?

And what were the Yanks rounding up Native Indians and Filipinos into concentration camps for? For charity?

And if I ever hear a Yank bang on about "British imperialism" again, I'll just point out to them the American-Philippines War.

 

[Goober]

Where is the evidence that the British invented the term "concentration camp"? That's the trouble with this forum. You show people the evidence in black and white yet they still believe what they want to believe.

The Americans were interring Native Americans in concentration camps as early as the 1830s - which killed 4,000 Cherokee. This was DECADES before the Second Boer War.



Cherokee internment camps

The deaths and desertions in the Army's boat detachments caused Gen Scott to suspend the Army's Removal efforts, and the remaining Cherokees were put into eleven internment camps, mostly located near Ross' Landing (now Chattanooga, TN) and at Red Clay, Bedwell Springs, Chatata, Mouse Creek, Rattlesnake Springs, Chestooe, and Calhoun (site of the former Cherokee Agency) located within Bradley County, TN and one camp (Fort Payne) in Alabama.

Cherokees remained in the camps during the summer of 1838 and were plagued by dysentery and other illnesses, which led to 353 deaths. A group of Cherokees petitioned General Scott for a delay until cooler weather made the journey less hazardous. This was granted; meanwhile Chief Ross, finally accepting defeat, managed to have the remainder of the removal turned over to the supervision of the Cherokee Council. Although there were some objections within the U.S. government because of the additional cost, General Scott awarded a contract for removing the remaining 11,000 Cherokees under the supervision of Principal Chief Ross, with expenses to be paid by the Army.


Cherokee removal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The term concentration camp term originated in the reconcentrados (reconcentration camps) set up by the Spanish military in Cuba during the Ten Years' War (1868–1878, long BEFORE the Boer War) and by the United States during the Philippine-War(1899–1902).



Bull****.

The British captured 28,000 Boer men as prisoners of war.

Of those 28,000, the British sent 25,630 - the vast majority - overseas. The vast majority of Boers remaining in the local camps were women and children. Your figures of between 25,000 and 30,000 killed is a load of nonsense.

Only to you would mass murder and deliberate starvation be considered nonsense.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/victorians/boer_wars_01.shtmloncentration camps

Lord Herbert Kitchener, who succeeded Roberts in November 1900, adopted a three-fold strategy to end the war. Firstly, he continued Roberts’ 'scorched earth' policy, in which the republics were deliberately and systematically devastated to deprive the guerrillas of food and shelter.


Some towns and thousands of farmsteads were burnt or ravaged. This onslaught on Boer survival was backed up by the destruction of food supplies. Herds of livestock were wiped out and crops were burnt.
The British were not the first in the modern age to use the concentration camp system. The Spanish General Valeriano 'Butcher Weyler had enforced a similar system on a far larger scale to crush a rebellion in Cuba in 1896, leaving more than 100,000 dead. The United States authorities had also established concentration camps to suppress the insurrection in the Philippines early in 1899.
In South Africa, the bad administration of the camps led to poor quality of food, unhygienic conditions and inadequate medical arrangements. Consequently civilians suffered terribly. Eventually 28,000 Boer women and children and at least 20,000 black people died in the camps.

 

[petros]

Just like the Nazis

 

[Colpy]

Where is the evidence that the British invented the term "concentration camp"? That's the trouble with this forum. You show people the evidence in black and white yet they still believe what they want to believe.

The Americans were interring Native Americans in concentration camps as early as the 1830s - which killed 4,000 Cherokee. This was DECADES before the Second Boer War.



Cherokee internment camps

The deaths and desertions in the Army's boat detachments caused Gen Scott to suspend the Army's Removal efforts, and the remaining Cherokees were put into eleven internment camps, mostly located near Ross' Landing (now Chattanooga, TN) and at Red Clay, Bedwell Springs, Chatata, Mouse Creek, Rattlesnake Springs, Chestooe, and Calhoun (site of the former Cherokee Agency) located within Bradley County, TN and one camp (Fort Payne) in Alabama.

Cherokees remained in the camps during the summer of 1838 and were plagued by dysentery and other illnesses, which led to 353 deaths. A group of Cherokees petitioned General Scott for a delay until cooler weather made the journey less hazardous. This was granted; meanwhile Chief Ross, finally accepting defeat, managed to have the remainder of the removal turned over to the supervision of the Cherokee Council. Although there were some objections within the U.S. government because of the additional cost, General Scott awarded a contract for removing the remaining 11,000 Cherokees under the supervision of Principal Chief Ross, with expenses to be paid by the Army.


Cherokee removal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



The term concentration camp term originated in the reconcentrados (reconcentration camps) set up by the Spanish military in Cuba during the Ten Years' War (1868–1878, long BEFORE the Boer War) and by the United States during the Philippine-War(1899–1902).



Bull****.

The British captured 28,000 Boer men as prisoners of war.

Of those 28,000, the British sent 25,630 - the vast majority - overseas. The vast majority of Boers remaining in the local camps were women and children. Your figures of between 25,000 and 30,000 killed is a load of nonsense.

You really are an arrogant twit. Are you sure you aren't Piers Morgan??

And that vaunted British education certainly didn't help you with reading comprehension.

I did NOT say the British invented camps, in fact I pointed out the Spanish had camps before either the Brits or Americans.

The 45 white concentration camps contained only women, children, and non-combatant men. The imprisonment and shipment overseas of Boer combatants is a completely separate issue. As you would know if that lovely British education had actually taught you to read.

The 25,000 figure of those dead in British concentration camps is the LOW estimate.

The term "concentration camp" was used to describe camps operated by the British in South Africa during this conflict, and the term grew in prominence during this period.

Of the 28,000 Boer men captured as prisoners of war, 25,630 were sent overseas. The vast majority of Boers remaining in the local camps were women and children. Over 26,000 women and children were to perish in these concentration camps.[47]

The existence of concentration camps even became an issue in Parliament.....

Although the 1900 UK general election, also known as the "Khaki election," had resulted in a victory for the Conservative government on the back of recent British victories against the Boers, public support quickly waned as it became apparent that the war would not be easy and further unease developed following reports about the treatment by the British army of the Boer civilians. Public and political opposition to government policies in South Africa regarding Boer civilians was first expressed in Parliament in February, 1901 in the form of an attack on the policy, the government, and the army by the radical Liberal MP David Lloyd George.

Second Boer War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Goober]

You really are an arrogant twit. Are you sure you aren't Piers Morgan??

And that vaunted British education certainly didn't help you with reading comprehension.

I did NOT say the British invented camps, in fact I pointed out the Spanish had camps before either the Brits or Americans.

The 45 white concentration camps contained only women, children, and non-combatant men. The imprisonment and shipment overseas of Boer combatants is a completely separate issue. As you would know if that lovely British education had actually taught you to read.

The 25,000 figure of those dead in British concentration camps is the LOW estimate.






The existence of concentration camps even became an issue in Parliament.....

Second Boer War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Well discussing, and I use the term in as loose a manner as possible make these emotions spring up.
First you realize this.

Then consider this

Yeah this one for sure.

And then there is....