Enbridge: Thwarting vs. ensuring safety and prosperity?

thinkboutit

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"Equalization' was the big transfer mechanism... On that note, Ontario paid in the most in total and now that they are in need, well, tough sh*t Ont, but thanks again for funneling all that cash elsewhere for all those years





NEP, Crow Rate and Canadian Wheat Board.

... Tell me again how these were anything but using resource rich provinces as a vote-buying ATM
The NEP may have earned the libs political points but at the time it was formed Canada was facing a 350% increase in energy prices as a result of OPEC. While this was great for oil rich Alberta the rest of Canada was suffering. Something had to be done.
At the onset the Crow Rate help prairie farmers get their grain to market helped Canada maintain control of the mineral riches in BC. Had nothing to do with getting votes.
The Wheat Board was for the broader good of wheat and barley growers in Canada. How is abolishing the Wheat Board good for Harper? He may gain a few votes but I argue he'll loose and equal amount.
 

taxslave

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It was always optional.

So tell me how would you get 100t of barley to Japan in today's system?

Put it in a seacan and ship it direct.

The NEP may have earned the libs political points but at the time it was formed Canada was facing a 350% increase in energy prices as a result of OPEC. While this was great for oil rich Alberta the rest of Canada was suffering. Something had to be done.
At the onset the Crow Rate help prairie farmers get their grain to market helped Canada maintain control of the mineral riches in BC. Had nothing to do with getting votes.
The Wheat Board was for the broader good of wheat and barley growers in Canada. How is abolishing the Wheat Board good for Harper? He may gain a few votes but I argue he'll loose and equal amount.

BULL$HIT. It was all about protecting manufacturing in Ontario and Quebec. The Crow Rate made it more expensive to ship manufactured goods from BC to the east than from Ontario to BC even though they used the same cars.
 

thinkboutit

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Put it in a seacan and ship it direct.



BULL$HIT. It was all about protecting manufacturing in Ontario and Quebec. The Crow Rate made it more expensive to ship manufactured goods from BC to the east than from Ontario to BC even though they used the same cars.
Are Quebec and Ontario not apart of Canada? Do we not have to look out for everyone? Isn't that what a nation does?
 

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The NEP may have earned the libs political points but at the time it was formed Canada was facing a 350% increase in energy prices as a result of OPEC. While this was great for oil rich Alberta the rest of Canada was suffering. Something had to be done.

Once PET gutted the AB oil sector - it basically shut down and Trudeau was forced to buy oil from Venezuela at world prices + a big transportation cost.

His plan was ill conceived and we are still paying for his stupidity today

At the onset the Crow Rate help prairie farmers get their grain to market helped Canada maintain control of the mineral riches in BC. Had nothing to do with getting votes.

... And?

Sounds like your point is that there was a cost to building the railway West. Correct me if I'm wrong, but there was also a cost to construct it in Eastern Canada too.

The Wheat Board was for the broader good of wheat and barley growers in Canada. How is abolishing the Wheat Board good for Harper? He may gain a few votes but I argue he'll loose and equal amount.

Why wasn't that 'broader good' extended to all grain growers in Canada seeing how it was so good?

See what I'm getting at here yet?


Are Quebec and Ontario not apart of Canada? Do we not have to look out for everyone? Isn't that what a nation does?

... Not at the expense of people

So should Trudeau have left the East to freeze in the dark like Lougheed suggested?

Lougheed made that statement as a reaction to Trudeau.

Maybe the solution should have been that Trudeau mandate that all automobiles manufactured in Canada be sold for 1/3 their price and the higher cost of fuel is offset that way.

Any thoughts on what this (extreme) example would have generated?
 

taxslave

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Don't know.


So should Trudeau have left the East to freeze in the dark like Lougheed suggested?

had he paid the going price for oil to deliver it to the East Coast there would not have been a problem. But like generations of Liberal Politicians before him he thought he could just steal it. BTW you do know that resources are provincial jurisdiction and not federal don't you.
 

thinkboutit

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had he paid the going price for oil to deliver it to the East Coast there would not have been a problem. But like generations of Liberal Politicians before him he thought he could just steal it. BTW you do know that resources are provincial jurisdiction and not federal don't you.
Yes, I knew that.
 

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Pipeline will spur massive demonstrations, opponents warn




Massive protests and court challenges based on native rights are likely after a National Energy Board decision that gave conditional approval to the Enbridge Northern Gateway pipeline, say First Nations, environmental groups and others opposed to the project.
“If this project is approved by Prime Minister [Stephen] Harper or his successor, I plan to join the blockade with my family at the Alberta border,” Victoria City Councillor Ben Isitt said on Thursday, shortly after a joint review panel (JRP) released its report. “Tens of thousands of citizens, I expect, would put their bodies on the line.”

Pipeline will spur massive demonstrations, opponents warn - The Globe and Mail