Enbridge: Thwarting vs. ensuring safety and prosperity?

[JLM]

Only from the capital. Home of the anti everything economic crowd. It isn't the majority of BCers that are against the pipeline, just the vocal few that do not want any good paying jobs unless they are government jobs. 100% of the people I work with are in favor of building the NG.

Yep, anyone with a brain Taxslave. I love pure air and pure water, but by themselves they don't provide too many calories.

 

[taxslave]

There's a real question as to whether these pipelines produce any generally shared wealth.

They seem to consolidate the colonial economic model in Canada as an exporter of unprocessed natural resources.. creating economic benefits for owners (usually foreign)... while failing to produce the refining jobs at home, OR, the economic benefits that an inexpensive and available energy source could in manufacturing for Canada.

They usually manage to evade high Canadian taxes and wages by exporting product to low cost processers, leaving Canadians paying Global prices for energy, as its own energy is processed at Third World Rates and sold at First World Prices.

It's a rigged game, and the Harper government is a mere appendage and shill for this Global shell game.

How about you try and get the permits to build a refinery in Canada. Get back to us in ten years and let us know how much longer it will be until you can start moving dirt.

 

[thinkboutit]

PetroCanada was sold off because it was a loser... They achieved success when the private sector turned them around.

Not terribly concerned about FIPPA. The Cdn resource sector is not selling-out without compensation. You need to understand that regardless of who 'owns' the rights, gvt picks their pockets throughout the entire process from fees, licenses, permits, various taxes, royalties and then tax all revenues on top.

Cdn society will get massive amounts of money, but phrases like 'National Energy Strategy' are simply code words for NEP and banana-republic gvt policy

Petro Canada was sold for political points. Alberta hated it because they lost revenue. It was good for the country. Not so good for Alberta.

 

[taxslave]

Yep, anyone with a brain Taxslave. I love pure air and pure water, but by themselves they don't provide too many calories.

Don't pay the mortgage or put the kids through university either.

 

[thinkboutit]

Yep, anyone with a brain Taxslave. I love pure air and pure water, but by themselves they don't provide too many calories.

Lets see how many calories your consuming without clean air and water.

 

[JLM]

Lets see how many calories your consuming without clean air and water.

It doesn't have to be a case of EITHER OR, we're 14 years into the new millennium, reached the moon half a century ago and are on the threshold of conquering Mars, so there is no excuse for not being able to move oil.

 

[taxslave]

What does that really mean?

Steal from the west- give to the east.

 

[petros]

It doesn't have to be a case of EITHER OR, we're 14 years into the new millennium, reached the moon half a century ago and are on the threshold of conquering Mars, so there is no excuse for not being able to move oil.

50 years old like the pipes that broke in Kalamazoo?

 

[captain morgan]

Oh no no.
Petro Can is alive and kicking and how much of Suncor do we own?

PetroCan was horribly mismanaged when the gvt was at the helm. The company sold for a lot less than it could have had mgmt developed the asset properly

Petro Canada was sold for political points. Alberta hated it because they lost revenue. It was good for the country. Not so good for Alberta.

Dude, you are on some really heavy glue. Alberta loved that it was sold, especially to an AB company that was able to take full advantage of the great land base and infrastructure that was paid-for by the taxpayers of Canada.

Suncor bought it for well below market value because it was being run by people that hadn't a clue as to how to run an oil company.

It is the ROC that should be outraged that the company and assets weren't sold for their actual value

 

[thinkboutit]

PetroCan was horribly mismanaged when the gvt was at the helm. The company sold for a lot less than it could have had mgmt developed the asset properly



Dude, you are on some really heavy glue. Alberta loved that it was sold, especially to an AB company that was able to take full advantage of the great land base and infrastructure that was paid-for by the taxpayers of Canada.

Suncor bought it for well below market value because it was being run by people that hadn't a clue as to how to run an oil company.

It is the ROC that should be outraged that the company and assets weren't sold for their actual value

Yes, I know Albertans were happy with the sale of Petro Can. They hated it and didn't like subsidizing manufacturing in the east.
Makes me wonder how Canada exists as a country with all its competing interests.

Steal from the west- give to the east.

Not steal from the West and give to the East but rather act in the national interest. Much like what BC is doing with the pipeline. We get very little for it but have all the risk in the national interest.

 

[captain morgan]

Yes, I know Albertans were happy with the sale of Petro Can. They hated it and didn't like subsidizing manufacturing in the east.

"Equalization' was the big transfer mechanism... On that note, Ontario paid in the most in total and now that they are in need, well, tough sh*t Ont, but thanks again for funneling all that cash elsewhere for all those years

Not steal from the West and give to the East but rather act in the national interest. Much like what BC is doing with the pipeline. We get very little for it but have all the risk in the national interest.

NEP, Crow Rate and Canadian Wheat Board.

... Tell me again how these were anything but using resource rich provinces as a vote-buying ATM

 

[taxslave]

Yes, I know Albertans were happy with the sale of Petro Can. They hated it and didn't like subsidizing manufacturing in the east.
Makes me wonder how Canada exists as a country with all its competing interests.


Not steal from the West and give to the East but rather act in the national interest. Much like what BC is doing with the pipeline. We get very little for it but have all the risk in the national interest.

The federal government has a lousy track record for protecting western interests going back to confederation. That is why we want to ship oil west rather than east.

 

[petros]

NEP, Crow Rate and Canadian Wheat Board.

... Tell me again how these were anything but using resource rich provinces as a vote-buying ATM

Try getting your mitts on a rail car to move your self marketed grain to they buyer in Japan.

 

[captain morgan]

Try getting your mitts on a rail car to move your self marketed grain to they buyer in Japan.

Big difference between that example and of gvt legislating one 'buyer' for Western provinces and open options for the ROC

 

[petros]

Big difference between that example and of gvt legislating one 'buyer' for Western provinces and open options for the ROC

The single desk made it cheaper and easier.

 

[captain morgan]

The single desk made it cheaper and easier.

If that were truly the case, all Canadian producers would have been legislated into the program

 

[petros]

It was always optional.

So tell me how would you get 100t of barley to Japan in today's system?

 

[captain morgan]

It was always optional.

Not in AB... Couldn't sell it to the local bakery, brewer or pasts maker... Dudes got arrested for trying to transport it across the border themselves.

So tell me how would you get 100t of barley to Japan in today's system?

40 foot multi modal container via truck/train to YVR?

 

[petros]

Are you going to clean and bag it yourself? What grade? Who is grading it?

 

[captain morgan]

Are you going to clean and bag it yourself? What grade? Who is grading it?

Yeah, I'll do it and it is all extra-super premium grade