Conservatives: Not our job to feed starving Canadian children

taxslave

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I see what I considered to be simple instructions, were too much for you to understand. From your blanket statements concerning poverty and those that are on welfare, I can tell that you don't have 2 working brain cells to rub together. I will lay odds that you have never experienced poverty.

And as usual you would be wrong on all counts.
 

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wonderful, those are "some" of the facts. What should be done about it?

OK - I have been preparing a thread on this very subject off and on. Being Christmas, busy, shorthanded for the past 6 months at work. Losing another, training another I will work on it over the holidays. a ton of prov stats to compile, along with EI and other program costs.
And the centerpiece will be a well known Conservative.
 

damngrumpy

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This particular government has signed race to the bottom free trade agreements
with almost everyone wiping out the steady middle class jobs and creating the new
poor for the benefit of companies. Yes there are a few crack heads and drunks but
the main category of working poor are a direct result of Conservative Government
policies. In fact the most recent survey released today says fifty seven percent of
respondents don't feel better off this year than last. Those kinds of numbers chip
away at economic confidence.
It is time we looked after Canadians first for one thing secondly if these rich families
can afford to store money away in illegal foreign accounts they can afford to pay
their share of the tax burden they have avoided so far,
Even more important Harper looks like he's losing his grip a bit. For years his caucus
has been silent almost, first the Parliamentary verbal scuffle over Ford now this
silly statement. Soon the doors will swing open wide and tongues will wag demonstrating
the current Reform disguised in Tory costumes are every bit as loony as the Tea Party
down South. Mr Trudeau is getting happier by the day.
 

mentalfloss

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Why is this even a wedge topic to begin with?

Obviously we need to look out for each other but I'm sure we can also agree to do so responsibly.
 

JLM

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Tricky. You mustn't step on the parent's toes, it is not PC . Which I think is where a lot of our problems stem from. At one time people on welfare got food stamps & a living allowance and rent paid, then some sob sister decided that was demeaning so now they are given the full amount in cash and when they blow most of it up their noses they can apply for emergency aid to cover the rent & food. The same bunch of social workers also decided that it is better to leave a kid with bad parents than good foster parents if at all possible and provide counseling.. Of course social workers also have their own continued paycheques to consider.


Exactly.................for some, not all.
 

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James Moore: Not my job to 'feed neighbour's children'

It's not up to the federal government to help out children who don't have enough to eat, Industry Minister James Moore said in Vancouver.

Speaking to a Vancouver radio station Friday, Moore said British Columbia's child poverty rates aren't the responsibility of the federal government, and it won't "usurp" the province.

"Is it the government's job — my job to feed my neighbour's children? I don't think so," Moore said.

CBC News - James Moore: Not my job to 'feed neighbour's children'

1. It was not "Conservatives" that said it, it was James Moore.

2. It was taken out of context.

3. Small "c" conservative give more to charity than anyone else..........

Who Gives and Who Doesn't? - ABC News
 

karrie

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They provide to families from Corporate and individual donations.
Poverty,inability to provide proper nutrition in this country is shameful.



The government pays in too.




The point is, I've not read anything from this guy that says he thinks poverty is okay.


See, there is a massive logical fallacy in the way the news has covered his statement.


He has said that he doesn't think we should be providing breakfast programs, we should be providing parents with tools to feed their kids themselves.


The media has said that means he doesn't care about child poverty.


The fallacy is that breakfast programs feed kids, while doing nothing to address poverty. They are actually counterintuitive to addressing poverty, because they let us feel like we're doing something, while fixing nothing.


He hasn't said he wants to leave the kids to go hungry, he's simply said he doesn't think this tool is appropriate. I don't think lynching the guy for having an opinion about the effectiveness of kiddie versions of soup kitchens, is right.
 

JLM

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The government pays in too.




The point is, I've not read anything from this guy that says he thinks poverty is okay.


See, there is a massive logical fallacy in the way the news has covered his statement.


He has said that he doesn't think we should be providing breakfast programs, we should be providing parents with tools to feed their kids themselves.


Didn't a wise man compare the wisdom of giving a guy a fish compared to teaching him how to fish? Therein lies the answer to this conundrum!
 

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karrie

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Didn't a wise man compare the wisdom of giving a guy a fish compared to teaching him how to fish? Therein lies the answer to this conundrum!



I don't think the answer is that simple (no offense Christ), but, I also think the media is making more of this guy's statement than there was.
 

JLM

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I don't think the answer is that simple (no offense Christ), but, I also think the media is making more of this guy's statement than there was.


That statement is just a metaphor, Karrie, it could easily apply to hunting, gardening, sewing, knitting or any other endeavour where the end result is products. The trick is to get people to be resourceful.
 

Walter

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That statement is just a metaphor, Karrie, it could easily apply to hunting, gardening, sewing, knitting or any other endeavour where the end result is products. The trick is to get people to be resourceful.
Responsible and resourceful.
 

mentalfloss

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You can have two low income earners living in an apartment complex with one child that could need support in this day and age. Let's not be so quick to assume that people in this situation are all inbred white trash.
 

JLM

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Too much time is spent bickering over what people say, when more effort should be made toward determining the reasons and solving the problem. One of the main reasons is the preponderance of street drugs. Not only are the drugs a problem for obvious reasons but they are "eating up" money that could be used to feed hungry children. Take the profit out of drugs for importers and traffickers. One way to do that is automatic 20 year sentences c/w with hard labour for perpetrators!
 

JLM

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and legal drugs like alcohol and Rx.


I agree, Petros, but no use attacking the legal stuff while the illegal stuff is running rampant. Also some legal drugs and alcohol is justified, but it's hard to justify crack and heroine.
 

Kreskin

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While his comments may be taken out of complete context on the flip side it is somewhat irresponsible for a politician to suggest that communities aren't already doing a lot to help feed their impoverished members.
 

JLM

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While his comments may be taken out of complete context on the flip side it is somewhat irresponsible for a politician to suggest that communities aren't already doing a lot to help feed their impoverished members.


Most talking that politicians do is irresponsible!