Temporary Foreign Workers put 270 Canadians out of work

Should TFWs be allowed to replace skilled Canadians just to save labour costs?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 12.5%
  • No

    Votes: 19 79.2%
  • Don't know

    Votes: 2 8.3%
  • Don't care

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    24

CDNBear

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Molotovs, arms, bladed weapons, shots fired and burned property is very relevant.
You already stated the timeline doesn't work for you.

All the things you lists, didn't happen, or weren't known, until after the police moved in.

In Sydney, they stormed the gates and only one gets arrested.

Seems sorta odd.

Isn't that break and enter in NS?

Just saying.

As for the idiots in Sydney, when they get out of the pokey or through the courts, they can go work (if they pass the drug pre-screening) for the non-union companies.

F*ck 'em.

Is that enough rage for ya?
Seems contrived, but I can live with it.
 

WLDB

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What if the Canadians are not qualified for the job? I say let the TFW work and pay their taxes towards training the unemployed Canadians to make them qualified too.

Also, if others can work in Canada, Canadians should be allowed to work abroad too.

Then the cost of training the Canadian employees should be paid either by the employer or the government. They are the one who have the need. If you cant find a Canadian to fill it - too bad. Consider it a cost of doing business.

As for Canadians working abroad - it isnt the place of our government to make that decision. Thats up to foreign governments. If they want to hire people from here - go for it. Who works here is the decision of our people and government.
 

petros

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CNDBear said:
All the things you lists, didn't happen, or weren't known, until after the police moved in.
The news also never mentioned the massive comm. units and hacker units the RCMP have. The ones that intercept every form of communications, can listen to conversations Kms away and can tell the difference between real crows and coyotes and bush signalling. They already knew what they had before they moved in and is probably WHY they moved in.

The Horsemen aren't the Horsemen they we're 12 years ago
 

CDNBear

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The news also never mentioned the massive comm. units and hacker units the RCMP have. The ones that intercept every form of communications, can listen to conversations Kms away and can tell the difference between real crows and coyotes and bush signalling. They already knew what they had before they moved in and is probably WHY they moved in.

The Horsemen aren't the Horsemen they we're 12 years ago
lolz. Keep making excuses.
 

petros

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I'm not making excuses by citing the evidence. The Horsemen dig deep. Real deep. Keep six, that cute clerk that has worked at the Band office for the past 4 years could be moonlighting.
 

tay

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Alberta labour leaders are concerned the federal government is considering reviving a foreign-workers program that it says displaces Canadian workers and drives down wages.

Launched in April 2012 to help employers quickly fill vacancies for skilled workers, the program was suspended a little over a year later after it was discovered that it was being used to fast-track applications for low-paying, entry-level jobs.

The initiative allowed companies to pay foreign workers 15-per-cent less than prevailing regional wages and eliminated regulations that allowed employers to bypass Canadians for vacant jobs.

“This was a fast-track system that was grossly abused and should not be reintroduced in any way, shape or form,” Gil McGowan, president of the Alberta Federation of Labour, said Friday. “It didn’t work a year ago, and we feel very strongly that it won’t work now.”
Earlier this month Canada Employment Minister Jason Kenney mused that a modified version of the plan could be resurrected, and there have been discussions in Ottawa about bringing it back.

“We need to stop the reintroduction of this program before it happens, rather than to have to deal with the fallout,” McGowan said. “It boggles my mind that the government is even talking about it.”

Using information obtained through an access to information request, the federation released a report on Friday that showed that 10 randomly selected employers in Alberta and one in Newfoundland that used the program were paying below the market rate.

Applications for low-wage, entry-level positions were being fast-tracked by categorizing them as managers.

The study revealed that one fast-food restaurant in Edmonton was approved to hire 15 “food service supervisors” at one location at $11.75 per hour, below the regional median wage of $13 per hour.

“The applications would be laughable if the program wasn’t such a tragedy for workers,” McGowan said.

He said the federation is renewing calls for an investigation of the program. After suspending the initiative, the federal government never explained what went wrong or if employers found to be abusing the system had been disciplined.

“At the very least, the government owes Canadians an explanation of what went wrong in the first place,” McGowan said. “If they are going to reintroduce the program, they need to provide assurances that there won’t be a repeat of the same problems we had before.”


Labour union blasts suggestion foreign-worker program may be revived




 

CDNBear

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Are you saying the evidence presented by the RCMP is false? What really happened?
Ummm...
The news also never mentioned the massive comm. units and hacker units the RCMP have. The ones that intercept every form of communications, can listen to conversations Kms away and can tell the difference between real crows and coyotes and bush signalling. They already knew what they had before they moved in and is probably WHY they moved in.

The Horsemen aren't the Horsemen they we're 12 years ago
Nope, nothing in there about the evidence they collected after the fact, lolz.
 

CDNBear

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It fell from the sky? From the Shaw satellite the RCMP monitor?
The physical evidence you keep intermingling with the imaginary evidence you concocted, was collected after the fact. It didn't lead to the incursion, which of course preceded the burning of cop cars and such.

That's why timelines and facts are actually important... ;-)

So, in the case of annoyed union workers, they simply committed the offense of break and enter, only one protester is arrested, and no one seems to care, lol.

Just sayin'.
 

JLM

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$85 is standard call out for a plumber. A leak or a gas dryer install would still be $85 plus parts for the first hour.

I would be very happy to pay $85 if the call out included 1/2 hours work, but explain to me where I'm getting $85 worth of value out of 2 minutes!
 

karrie

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I would be very happy to pay $85 if the call out included 1/2 hours work, but explain to me where I'm getting $85 worth of value out of 2 minutes!

You're paying for his driving, answering service, etc. Rarely can a plumber get to you quicker than 1/2 an hour. His time costs money.
 

gerryh

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I think you may have just hit on something there, Nick, ................. the root cause of many labour problems, not to mention a wide spread feeling among consumers these days that we are being ripped off. A year or so ago, I called a plumber to fix a leak. He spent less than 5 minutes here and charged me $85 and within a few months it was leaking again. (For less than $10 I now have the same wrench he used). I would amend "Canadians first" to "Canadians first as long the value obtained is equal to other competitors". I remember a time when we took pride in our work.


why did it leak later? Because you used a cheap plumber. You get what you pay for, and 85 dollars pays for nothing.

I would be very happy to pay $85 if the call out included 1/2 hours work, but explain to me where I'm getting $85 worth of value out of 2 minutes!


with me, $69 gets me to your front door and that is it. If I need to carry my tool bag into the house to figure out what is wrong, you are looking at a minimum of 240 dollars if it takes me less than half an hour to diagnose the problem....plus the price of fixing the problem. If you don't want to pay to have it done right, then py the cheaper price to have it done wrong.
 

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why did it leak later? Because you used a cheap plumber. You get what you pay for, and 85 dollars pays for nothing.




with me, $69 gets me to your front door and that is it. If I need to carry my tool bag into the house to figure out what is wrong, you are looking at a minimum of 240 dollars if it takes me less than half an hour to diagnose the problem....plus the price of fixing the problem. If you don't want to pay to have it done right, then py the cheaper price to have it done wrong.

JLM- Gerry h is right- pay once to get it done right.
 

JLM

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You're paying for his driving, answering service, etc. Rarely can a plumber get to you quicker than 1/2 an hour. His time costs money.

Driving (2 miles) and answering service for one call in town doesn't come to anywhere near $85.