The Syria Thread: Everything you wanted to know or say about it

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Look at this neat cell-phone the new guy gave me. Wonder where he is, he said to wait by the car and turn it on at 3PM and he would call me, ....
 
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Re: "The U.S. Should Act"

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Ideally, yes. But the question still has to be asked doesn't it? Because what it boils down to, I believe, is the difference between intervention and interference.

I see it as analogous to this. If you or I walk into our neighbours home and begin to dictate how they conduct their lives, that's interference. But if our neighbour beats his wife and we report him or give shelter to the abused spouse that's intervention. In either scenario, it's really not our business what goes on in our neighbour's home but there may be certain times/situations when we should make it our business.

Not to say that looking at things on an international scale is this simple, it's not. And that's not even to say that intervention is always the best course of action. But I think the same principles are there and the issues need to be addressed.
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It's interesting that you interject principles into the discussion as if the west historically has any history of principled intervention, especially in case like Syria where they (the west) have provably initiated the carnage. All that is to say it certainly is our business. Maybe you should reevaluate your stand on the benevolent west.
 
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Okay... so where in that map does it imply the need for a pipeline through Syria?
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Are you suggesting Israel is getting into the energy business to use all that product at home. If you want to see how they missed out draw the line as an extension of the border on the land and include Gaza according to the map of 1947. A land with no people is not a reference to 100 miles of ocean. Israel is trying to get in through Cyprus and it's customers are Europe, starting in Syria means the mineral rights pretty much eliminate Lebanon from being a major player and the ports in Syria could pipe oil from Iraq to supply whomever, at a profit due to who runs the port.
Like Quebec upping the price of power it sells to the US after getting it much cheaper from Nfld, legal but underhanded as it was via a loophole that was hidden during contract talks.

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Maybe you should reevaluate your stand on the benevolent west.
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The West better rethink deploying armed persons when this is their version of a Hummer. Notice the whole undercarriage fits the specs of the carriers for S-400 arms and a lot of other modules that be swapped out in about 30 minutes in theater. Bet you already guessed the troop modules come with troops inside and it fits the new air transport. The civilian version is a trip for 30 that goes over Niagara, once an hour every hour.

Russian Ground Forces to Receive 750 Units of Military Hardware | Defense | RIA Novosti

Paid for by the UN thanks to recent demands from the West in disposing of tonnes and tonnes of stuff that would actually fit into one pickup. The US erased items when Saddam submitted his list, Assad just added a lot of imaginary items, items they would have had if the US was supplying them for the last 10 years.
 
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I guess it would be useless to point out that these vids are either NATO or Israeli tests. The air/fuel one is very similar to the first big blast that was near Damascus that included several of the same unique elements of that explosion.

Remember that 'accident' that was reported in Iran a few months back, about a military base that was flattened, now you know what was used.
Why would you need atomic weapons when this appears to be quite capable of making parking lots?
 
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MHz said:
I guess it would be useless to point out that these vids are either NATO or Israeli tests. The air/fuel one is very similar to the first big blast that was near Damascus that included several of the same unique elements of that explosion.

Remember that 'accident' that was reported in Iran a few months back, about a military base that was flattened, now you know what was used.
Why would you need atomic weapons when this appears to be quite capable of making parking lots?
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Well kinda hard to find Syrian ones eh.:smile:
The videos were to show what these bombs are capable of. Many may not be familiar with these types of bombs.
 
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Many may not be familiar with these types of bombs.
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You said it yourself, cutting edge technology. Damascus doesn't have these thing, if they did the rebels would be getting tagged with them. It would appear that you need a directed energy explosion to vaporize the fuel first and I doubt is not anything below aviation gas specs.

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The Syrians are more than capable of building these.
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Then you must have some link that verifies they have them, Iran is just starting to explore their uses in a conventional war.
 
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You said it yourself, cutting edge technology. Damascus doesn't have these thing, if they did the rebels would be getting tagged with them. It would appear that you need a directed energy explosion to vaporize the fuel first and I doubt is not anything below aviation gas specs.


Then you must have some link that verifies they have them, Iran is just starting to explore their uses in a conventional war.
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Russia, China, N Korea do and technology transfer is easy.
A highly educated population
They built binary chemical weapons to world class standards. From manufacturing to the weapons stage.
FAE are child's play.
 
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FAE are child's play.
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The theory behind directed charges was known at the end of WWII, it took some decades before they were effective field devices. Like the magnetic ones used by Israel to eliminate Iranian scientists while in their cars. The deliver device is state of the art, Syria doesn't have those or use them at this level of hostilities. Russian troops would have them as a standard weapon and in large numbers if they were needed. Napalm was cutting edge at the end of WWII.

Cutting edge of tomorrow would be an emp burst using conventional materials so the land is useful after life returns to it.
 
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The theory behind directed charges was known at the end of WWII, it took some decades before they were effective field devices. Like the magnetic ones used by Israel to eliminate Iranian scientists while in their cars. The deliver device is state of the art, Syria doesn't have those or use them at this level of hostilities. Russian troops would have them as a standard weapon and in large numbers if they were needed. Napalm was cutting edge at the end of WWII.

Cutting edge of tomorrow would be an emp burst using conventional materials so the land is useful after life returns to it.
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Or a Neutron Bomb.
Neutron bomb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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They probably have all sorts of things that make people go 'wow'. Someday perhaps they will clue in that you can get things done withou having to kill everybody first. lol
 
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MHz said:
They probably have all sorts of things that make people go 'wow'. Someday perhaps they will clue in that you can get things done withou having to kill everybody first. lol
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No they won't, they are evil and evil never rests. The killing for them is getting their things done. Always has been always will be, this is why they call life on earth the underworld hell.. Keeps the good guys fresh and vigilant.
 
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I'm thinking that samples will be taken and the results show that Assad was not the one mixing up cocktails for the innocent.

Experts Report Progress over Syria Chemical Weapons — Naharnet
The team said it hopes to begin on-site inspections and the initial disabling of equipment "within the next week".
The 19-member team from The Hague-based OPCW faces a daunting task, as Assad's regime is understood to have more than 1,000 tonnes of the nerve agent sarin, mustard gas and other banned weapons stored at dozens of sites.


1,000 tonnes is one tri-axle semi, one.
How much did Saddam use in that proxy war against Iran?
 
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What was Syria to gain by using chemicals on their own people, nothing, while the country howling for Syrian blood produces it's own weaponized gases and is not above any act including supplying it's own terrorists in Syria with weapons.
 
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