Zimmerman NOT guilty

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There's lots of wrongs that happened throughout this episode... Zimmerman could have done (or not done) a number of things that would have resulted in Martin being alive today, but that said, Martin ultimately took the last step in engaging a direct confrontation... He too could have avoided this and he'd be around

No winners here, just a big lose-lose situation
Yep. People seem to not be able to tell when to let their emotions rule and when to let good sense rule. Pretty sad. And again, a lot of the fault for that rests squarely upon the lamestream media.
 

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"Infants" between the ages of 14 and 17 years old, murdered 1,546 people in the USA in 2004, the last year for which I have figures.

That is a rate of 9.1 per 100,000, significantly HIGHER than the rate in the general population.

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htius.pdf
So what? Infants are by definition held to a lower standard of personal responsibility than adults. That's the entire justification for the fact that they have fewer rights and freedoms than adults.

But if you want to lower the age of adulthood in Canada to 14, go for it. Makes no difference to me whatever.
 

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I guess what nobody can know or prove is what was Zimmerman's intention and state of mind at the time. It might be fairly hard to prove that he wasn't in fear of his life. In court, intent counts more than actions!
 

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Someone follows you to your home, you fight for your safety, and THEY'RE the ones who are 'defending themselves'? No... that's not the way it works, sorry.

The fight took place at Martin's home? That's new.

I bet you if you were walking down the street and are being followed you aren't going to circle a house and come up behind the guy and start swinging.
 

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The fight took place at Martin's home? That's new.

I bet you if you were walking down the street and are being followed you aren't going to circle a house and come up behind the guy and start swinging.


According to many people he was almost home. Would YOU lead the stranger who was following you, to your front door? And yeah, I just darn well might.
 

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The fight took place at Martin's home? That's new.

I bet you if you were walking down the street and are being followed you aren't going to circle a house and come up behind the guy and start swinging.
People keep inserting "facts" not in evidence, they surmise something and post it as fact.:roll:
 

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What Zimmerman missed in the whole scenario is the fact that while he's busy thinking about protecting himself and his neighbourhood, every other person walking down the street is likely to be possessed of the same thoughts. So the criminal, sketchy person... do you put up with them? And which one of them is it in this scenario? To me, Zimmerman acted way more the part of a criminal than Martin did in his behaviour up to the fight.

Feel free to actually debate instead of rolling your eyes DaS.
 

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Exactly Darkbeaver, great Video..

Topic still churning on.. US justice system being debated by Canadians, who don't have a vote in changing the policy or laws, and continue trying to prove a mute point, who's at fault or if it was racially motivated.

Never mind that the courts have already decided this case, it's over and done with.. all the bantering in the world is not going to change it..

Even in the USA most of the people have stopped protesting and have moved one.. just a few talking heads still want their five minutes in front of the news camera... best just change the channel and watch "I dream of Jennie" or "The Brady Bunch" - :smile:
 

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According to many people he was almost home. Would YOU lead the stranger who was following you, to your front door? And yeah, I just darn well might.

No. I'd say...

"Hey... are you following me for something?"

I doubt the response would be gunfire if handled that way. But what do I know.

I wouldn't start swinging for no reason. Nor would you. Let's be real.
 

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The day that I begin to even suspect that you would tolerate a grown man strapping on a gun and following your 17 year old son around his neighbourhood, I'll listen to your views of what a child is or isn't. But I know darn well there is not a single poster on here, who were they the parent to Trayvon Martin, would tolerate having their teenager threatened and followed in the manner he was. 'widdle kid' is moronic. But he most certainly wasn't an adult, living at home in a gated community and posting on Twitter. Hard core.
Quite right, Karrie. "Facultative" would be the term applied to Martin's abilities with consideration of his maturity. He was a child with facultative abilities to perform some adult tasks. In this case, it's pretty much the antonym of pedomorphosis.
 

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WOW!! Kinda surprised to see this thread is still churning on...


Is she warshin de clotes er churnin de butter ??

churnin de clotes ??
 

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What Zimmerman missed in the whole scenario is the fact that while he's busy thinking about protecting himself and his neighbourhood, every other person walking down the street is likely to be possessed of the same thoughts. So the criminal, sketchy person... do you put up with them? And which one of them is it in this scenario? To me, Zimmerman acted way more the part of a criminal than Martin did in his behaviour up to the fight.

Feel free to actually debate instead of rolling your eyes DaS.

I've put facts in my posts earlier and so did Colpy and a few others, but people keep inserting opinions or other opinions that people have posted on line and declaring them as facts...There is nothing to do but roll my eyes when common sense is missing in some posts, and feely touchy feelings get in the way of reason.
 

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I've put facts in my posts earlier and so did Colpy and a few others, but people keep inserting opinions or other opinions that people have posted on line and declaring them as facts...There is nothing to do but roll my eyes when common sense is missing in some posts, and feely touchy feelings get in the way of reason.

Emotion trumps facts on this one DaS. That is why the Stand you Ground Law is under attack even though it had nothing to do with the Zimmerman defense. We might as well call the Criminal Drug Laws into question for no other reason other than we can. Let's ride the wave.

So.....did it work?

Was everyone distracted by this sh*t show as the US did another financial face plant and more tyranny of the Presidency (present and past) was exposed?

Deserves another bump.
 

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It is called SELF DEFENSE.

He was NOT stalking the kid except in your twisted little delusions.

The Kid was doing him serious damge.

BANG was the only solution.

Pull your head out of your ****.

EVERY SINGLE security guard on earth has followed people hundreds of times....it is not illegal, and it is not reason for someone to attack.
Um, stalking is illegal.
Florida's stalking laws state that stalking is considered when the stalkee feels there is a "credible threat". Law enforcement people are excluded from this designation but not neighborhood watch as there is no official permissions granted to neighborhood watch people. They are subject to laws. And this is reflected in the reason why the police prefer neighborhood watch people do not take action, and instead call the cops.
Florida's laws concerning stalking are fairly similar to the laws the RCMP enforces. This is directly from the RCMP's website: "Criminal harassment, more commonly known as STALKING, is a crime. Generally it consists of repeated conduct that is carried out over a period of time and which causes you to reasonably fear for your safety or the safety of someone known to you. Stalking does not have to result in physical injury in order to make it a crime. The law protects you even if the conduct of the stalker is not done with the intent to scare you. It is enough if the conduct does scare you. This may be an advance warning of the possibility of future violent acts."

You get real and "Pull your head out of your ****".
 

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Um, stalking is illegal.
Florida's stalking laws state that stalking is considered when the stalkee feels there is a "credible threat". Law enforcement people are excluded from this designation but not neighborhood watch as there is no official permissions granted to neighborhood watch people. They are subject to laws. And this is reflected in the reason why the police prefer neighborhood watch people do not take action, and instead call the cops.
Florida's laws concerning stalking are fairly similar to the laws the RCMP enforces. This is directly from the RCMP's website: "Criminal harassment, more commonly known as STALKING, is a crime. Generally it consists of repeated conduct that is carried out over a period of time and which causes you to reasonably fear for your safety or the safety of someone known to you. Stalking does not have to result in physical injury in order to make it a crime. The law protects you even if the conduct of the stalker is not done with the intent to scare you. It is enough if the conduct does scare you. This may be an advance warning of the possibility of future violent acts."

You get real and "Pull your head out of your ****".
I wondered when someone would bring that up. Well done, sir.

We also have only the testimony of the defendant trying to get off on a murder rap that he didn't initiate the fight.
 

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Exactly Darkbeaver, great Video..

Topic still churning on.. US justice system being debated by Canadians, who don't have a vote in changing the policy or laws, and continue trying to prove a mute point, who's at fault or if it was racially motivated.

Never mind that the courts have already decided this case, it's over and done with.. all the bantering in the world is not going to change it..

Even in the USA most of the people have stopped protesting and have moved one.. just a few talking heads still want their five minutes in front of the news camera... best just change the channel and watch "I dream of Jennie" or "The Brady Bunch" - :smile:
So? That means no-one can still discuss the issue?