Climate scientists struggle to explain warming slowdown

petros

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Could always look like a couple of loonies by using it as well. That's a value all it's own.

Wow. Quite a few loonies judging by prices on ebay. 35 of them seems to be the average price.
 

darkbeaver

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Rat patrol was cool. There is a Pac Man out in the garage that I'm not sure where it came from.


If It fill my thermos 3/4 with coffee and 1/4 CO2 will it stay hotter longer?

I'm prepared to conduct extensive unbiased experimentation at my lab in the woods. I have all the equipment except the large bag of cannabis.

Me too. Fries and gravy w/ coffee for a buck in high school days. It why I can't figure where the hell a pac man lunch box came from. I built the garage 4 years ago so it's not old sh*t stuffed in a box in the rafters.

Sweet, so, now how do I carbonate my coffee?

Burn tires in the yard.

It's just sad that stuff like that is out there.

That's a sad but revealing statement since the opposing view has always built better science. Of course you no doubt do not support conformity to the ruling dogma.
 

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I would not give the Global Warming crowd credit for making us aware that the earth is not a dumping ground. That movement came around even before scientist were warning about the coming Ice Age.

I had an Ecology lunch box in the 70's. (Only because the GI Joe lunch box I REALLY wanted didn't have a thermos.)

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...iu88vzVuMloQtvzrY-uhAGQg&ust=1366811085622780


Yes, well the bad news for you is that teh Earth is a dumping ground, wiiht the exception of a few tens of thousands of pieces of space junk in orbit. For everything else, for every single piece of waste we've ever created, we've used the Earth as a dumping ground. Including the Ecology lunchbox. :lol:
 

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That's a sad but revealing statement since the opposing view has always built better science. Of course you no doubt do not support conformity to the ruling dogma.

I'm willing to entertain non-conforming theories. But you'll forgive me if I ask a few questions before throwing away 150 years of thermodynamics. I asked a couple of specififc questions regarding your theory:

(1) if molecules carry no energy, does that mena they have no mass, since mass is energy? Does it follow that molecules don't have kinetic energy, or potential energy?

(2) if molecules cannot store energy, why is it that teh dark side of teh earth is not the same temerpature of space?
 

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I'm willing to entertain non-conforming theories. But you'll forgive me if I ask a few questions before throwing away 150 years of thermodynamics. I asked a couple of specififc questions regarding your theory:

(1) if molecules carry no energy, does that mena they have no mass, since mass is energy? Does it follow that molecules don't have kinetic energy, or potential energy?

(2) if molecules cannot store energy, why is it that teh dark side of teh earth is not the same temerpature of space?

Since you pointed these inconsistencies out yesterday I have been thinking about them and I will get back to you since that geologist I quoted Hissink is usually pretty reliable. I'm not usually quick to judge but would you count your spelling mistakes in that post of yours. I might even send him a e-mail and ask what the hell he meant, since it's clearly wrong to my mind as well.
 

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Since you pointed these inconsistencies out yesterday I have been thinking about them and I will get back to you since that geologist I quoted Hissink is usually pretty reliable. I'm not usually quick to judge but would you count your spelling mistakes in that post of yours. I might even send him a e-mail and ask what the hell he meant, since it's clearly wrong to my mind as well.

I'm an excellent speller, just a lousy typer!
 

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Yes, well the bad news for you is that teh Earth is a dumping ground, wiiht the exception of a few tens of thousands of pieces of space junk in orbit. For everything else, for every single piece of waste we've ever created, we've used the Earth as a dumping ground. Including the Ecology lunchbox. :lol:

That is true but it is good to look for ways to recycle and control the way we dump our trash, waste, etc.

You mean my heavy duty plastic Ecology lunch box? :)
 

petros

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Someday somebody is going to dig all that crap up for recycling. They'll say it's a reclamation project and ding the taxpayer while they unearth tonne after tonne of valuable materials and cash in.
 

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This is an internet reproduction of the lunch pail I put in a garage sale when I retired in 2000..Dunno exactly How old it was but I got it the second or third year I worked, and when a new worker asked me how old I Was I told him to check the safety stickers on it with the number of safe work years, and assured him that the lunch pail was older than he was....
 

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Research Methods.


You take the courses. You learn to watch out for biases. You attempt to account for all variables. But you can't control for the biases you don't even know you have. And if your work is attacked, scientist or not, its human nature to circle the wagons. This, in my opinion, is what happened with the climate scientists--a lot of them anyway--with the hockey stick and "ClimateGate."

It all got a bit too cozy for them, peer-review standards were a little lax and--wham!--they get hit out of left field by a retired engineer with too much time on his hands showing relatively abstruse, and not particularly significant, errors in their various analyses.

The correct thing to do in that case--the scientific thing to do--is to thank the person for providing the correction and reworking the data. But that's not what happened. Instead they got pissy because they'd been shown to be wrong. They holed up, hid their data, adopted a siege mentality. It wasn't wholly unwarranted, because they were getting thousands of requests monthly, and there's no doubt a lot of the requests were intended to be frivolous and vexatious. Still, the damage this cabal of climate scientists did was incalculable. Climate change was out on its ear, despite having an excellent theoretical and experimental basis.

They'd simply lost the rhetorical war. Humans are essentially beings of passion, not reason, something the forces aligned against global warming knew form the start. It was the application of the Inverse Tinkerbell Theory: If enough people don't believe in it, it won't be true.

The truth will out eventually, since indications are that we will continue to increase the rate at which we oxidize organic carbon. By 2050 we should have a pretty good idea.
 

petros

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You take the courses. You learn to watch out for biases. You attempt to account for all variables. But you can't control for the biases you don't even know you have.

You make a choice. There is no training, no courses on how to be unbiased and no bible to swear on.
 

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You take the courses. You learn to watch out for biases. You attempt to account for all variables. But you can't control for the biases you don't even know you have. And if your work is attacked, scientist or not, its human nature to circle the wagons. This, in my opinion, is what happened with the climate scientists--a lot of them anyway--with the hockey stick and "ClimateGate."

It all got a bit too cozy for them, peer-review standards were a little lax and--wham!--they get hit out of left field by a retired engineer with too much time on his hands showing relatively abstruse, and not particularly significant, errors in their various analyses.

The correct thing to do in that case--the scientific thing to do--is to thank the person for providing the correction and reworking the data. But that's not what happened. Instead they got pissy because they'd been shown to be wrong. They holed up, hid their data, adopted a siege mentality. It wasn't wholly unwarranted, because they were getting thousands of requests monthly, and there's no doubt a lot of the requests were intended to be frivolous and vexatious. Still, the damage this cabal of climate scientists did was incalculable. Climate change was out on its ear, despite having an excellent theoretical and experimental basis.

They'd simply lost the rhetorical war. Humans are essentially beings of passion, not reason, something the forces aligned against global warming knew form the start. It was the application of the Inverse Tinkerbell Theory: If enough people don't believe in it, it won't be true.

The truth will out eventually, since indications are that we will continue to increase the rate at which we oxidize organic carbon. By 2050 we should have a pretty good idea.

What they really did was start with a theory,went straight to conclusion and then tried to make the data fit the conclusion and of course they got caught out. Same as the anti fish farm crowd did.