Windows 'coming to dead end', says tech analyst

karrie

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I have Win 8. What's to be enraged about?

What I find maddening about it is that it requires a built in work-around. Why would you release a program that needs a built in default to its predecessor, because you know half the stuff isn't going to work right otherwise? Roughly a quarter of the websites I look at require I pop into 'desktop' mode to view them properly. There's too much hidden, non-intuitive functionality, and not enough 'right' with it.
 

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Yeah, if you don't want to use the program you paid for, I can see where you wouldn't be ticked. But me, personally, I'd be pissed that I have to download something to turn it into an old version, for it to work right.
 

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10 or twelve years ago we(my wife and I)were dragged kicking and screaming into computers by our son who put together a system
using Windows 3.1. We eventually progressed to Win 95 and 98 and now we are using XP. Neither of us are computer geniuses but we manage to entertain ourselves and communicate with others on the net. The operating systems that have come out since XP have not particularly impressed us. I wish Microsoft would settle on one OS and improve it rather than the planned obsolesence of bringing out a "new" OS every year. It has become a pain in the azz.
 

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I started in '95 with windows 95 and every new system took some getting used to. I was lucky enough to skip windows 2000 and vista which I understand were real dogs......so I figure that if I have to, I'll learn the next one that I have to use.
 

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My wife is using Vista. I'm still using XP, I hope Microsoft continiues to support XP because I would hate to give it up.
 

karrie

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I started in '95 with windows 95 and every new system took some getting used to. I was lucky enough to skip windows 2000 and vista which I understand were real dogs......so I figure that if I have to, I'll learn the next one that I have to use.


I don't mind learning my way around a new system so long as it works right. It's having to learn how to flip back and forth between two interfaces because the one doesn't work right, that makes 8 so maddening.
 

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If you ever use a usb stick to transfer files as simple as photos from a PC to a Mac before the Mac accepts them it leaves some files of its own on the stick and even if you find them and remove them, ever so often when you insert that stick in your pc, it keeps prompting you to check for errors and the only recourse you have is to save your files somewhere, reformat your stick then put the files back on
That also works the other way around. Another way to transfer files from one platform to another is through email attachments. I use flash drives all the time without any trouble. I have also installed Windoze on several Macs for ease of file transfer. Eases the pain of switching from Windoze to Mac OS. It is not that hard to install Mac on a PC too so you can get the best of both worlds, especially in a mulch-platform business environment.
 
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I started in '95 with windows 95 and every new system took some getting used to. I was lucky enough to skip windows 2000 and vista which I understand were real dogs......so I figure that if I have to, I'll learn the next one that I have to use.

With MS, go with every other OS. XP .. 7 .. 9
 

Dexter Sinister

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With MS, go with every other OS. XP .. 7 .. 9
That's probably the best idea I've seen in a while on this subject. I hadn't thought of it quite that way, but you're right, Microsoft seems to get it right every second time and produces dogs in between. Win8 is okay as an OS in itself I think, though it has serious compatibility issues with some older (like more than 2 years old) hardware peripherals like printers and scanners, and games if you're so inclined, and without a touch screen the Metro interface is worse than useless. Actually I think it's useless on a PC even WITH a touch screen, but that's just a personal preference. Classic Shell (Classic Shell | Free software downloads at SourceForge.net) fixes it up nicely, at least on the PC versions, it may not do anything on a tablet, haven't tried it because I don't have and will never have a Win8 tablet. I don't much like its shift in philosophy either, the presumption that you want to store all your files on a Microsoft server farm somewhere--and the apps that come with it pretty much require you to if you want to use them--irks me. I'll keep my data at home, thanks.

I've avoided all Microsoft apps and utilities on my home systems in all OS versions anyway though, and the things I like and use the most (Thunderbird, Firefox, OpenOffice, CCleaner, Defraggler, Picasa, Sketchup, Photoshop, and some others) work just fine on them all. I've also had Vista, Win7, and Win8, on the same machine, a 5-year old laptop, over the years and I find Win8 requires much less system resources and runs faster. Vista and 7 are hogs, but if you've got a fast processor and lots of RAM, which my laptop doesn't by current standards, they work acceptably, except that I really dislike the security model in 7 and 8. They seem to have taken a page from Apple: you don't need to know what the system's doing, you don't want to know, everything will be managed for you, so just shutup and don't ask.
 

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Windows 'coming to dead end', says tech analyst

Wednesday 17th April, 2013
A top tech website has claimed the PC era is over, and Microsoft Windows is coming to a dead end.
Calling the latest operating system a "failure" and Microsoft's leaders "idiots," ZDNet's well respected Steven J. Vaughn-Nichols pointed out that Metro-interface operating systems have already failed.
Vaughn-Nichols wrote in an essay on the site that 'Microsoft is betting all its chips on the silly notion that Metro will be the one true interface for its entire PC and device line, Idiots'.
According to Fox News, Nichols' perspective was supported by IDC analyst Jay Chou, who told The Wall Street Journal a similar story last week.
Vaugh-Nichols argued that users have responded to an operating system they simply don't want by not buying PCs, turning instead to tablets.
And Windows 8 tablets have yet to catch on in the market, he said.
Windows tablets don't even rate a blip in the 64 billion dollars tablet market, he added .

Ha ha... there's a reason why he's an Analyst and not actually doing a Real Job in the Industry he's Analysing.

People don't like the Metro (A touch screen / tablet style interface) so they're turning to..... TABLETS WHICH ARE TOUCH SCREEN INTERFACES.

*clap clap*

Good laugh.... good laugh.

I still like my Windows 8 Pro 64bit thank'ya'very much.

He sure talks a lot like he knows wtf he's talking about, but can he back it up with anything?

I can back up this:
Windows 8 lifts Microsoft's profit 19%
Windows 8 lifts Microsoft's profit 19% - Apr. 18, 2013

'In the face of a badly slumping PC market, Windows 8 sales proved a hit.'


And in regards to their Windows Phones? (I own one)

Windows Phone 8 beats iPhone in iOS satisfaction
Windows Phone 8 beats iPhone in iOS satisfaction | Tech News Today | Tech News Today

^ Suck on that you Beatnik Mac Hippie Wannabes.

The issue is that the dynamic is shifting. While Windows is the defacto standard on desktops (nobody else is even close), people are moving away from desktops and onto laptops and moreso tablets. Microsoft has been unable to make a dent in the tablet market. That market is owned by Apple and Android. So as the shift happens more and more, Microsoft loses share.

They will likely be around for quite some time but with less relevance. Happens to most tech companies. Eventually we will be saying the same thing about Google and Apple.

Tablets and Laptops/Notebooks are utterly useless and obsolete when it comes to 3D Modeling, Animation, CAD, Photo Editing, Graphic Design and High Intensity Games..... PC's are still the go-to for any of that.

Why the hell would I want to do my photo editing and graphics design on a tablet or laptop with a fraction of the screen size or power as my PC??

I am not about to roll back to 1994 with a small resolution and screen size to do my work on a piddly limited tablet just so I can look cool in Starbucks while sipping on my mocha late in a turtleneck & fruit strip on my chin.

They can all suck a turd from my crap'shoot.

I think you have become a member of the Church of Scientology to become a Apple user. Every person I know, including one of my best pals, is a walking talking billboard for this company and gets offended when you criticize them. I call people like this iZombies. I like the tablet concept, but everything I do: Writing, Photography, Artwork, is done on programs that work with Windows, Apple is still overpriced for many consumers and still too incompatible. IMO

Yeah I used a Mac a few times, when I worked at a Photography Studio and at The Coast Mag in Halifax.... one was a G4 and the other a G5.

I had nothing but frustration and headaches from both. Having the damn things lock up completely during photoshop actions and losing a lot of work & starting over again, complete instability. The Mac guy said we needed more RAM and a new Video Card.... dished money out for that stuff and it didn't fix the issue, still continual crashes and lock ups.

Restart the computer, no error reports, nothing explaining anything, you just had to hope it wouldn't happen again, which it did.

Over priced garbage in my opinion. Even if they did make their OS more stable, they already lost me from those previous experiences. They had their chance to impress me and they blew it. I'd switch over to the 4 year older PC we had next to the Mac with half the resources and run those actions.... it was a bit slower, but it never crashed and did the job as expected.

Using Windows since 3.11

C64 Geos before that.... FTW!
 
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Dexter Sinister

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They can all suck a turd from my crap'shoot.
Oh don't hold back, tell us how you really feel. :)

Can't disagree with anything you said though, and in particular if you need big processing power, lots of storage, and a large display for whatever you're doing, the PC is the go-to device alright.
 

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I'm using a new gateway with win8. It came with it's own "start menu" so I didn't even realize that the default win8 pro had dropped the start button. It runs everything I have, including my old office 2007, without any problems and has no problem connecting to my old brother inkjet printer/scanner/fax. No problem with the email app. Have it connected to my shaw email, Hotmail, and 2 gmail accounts. I have no real complaints with win8 pro.

I also have a windows surface 64 gb tablet with win8 pro. It runs the same programs my laptop does. The only complaint I have concerning the tablet is the onscreen keyboard covers the program in desktop mode. This is a bit of a pain as the flip out keyboard isn't always convenient, because of this I'm not completely sold on the windows tablet.

I also have a Samsung Tab 10.1. I like the android system. More apps than windows, but it is slower and unfortunately, not enough windows equivalent programs.

oh ya.... and the way the android mail program handles attachments is a major pain in the a$$. Leave it up to me if I want to open a zip file or not. Don't tell me it's an unsafe attachment and therefore unable to open or DL.
 

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Never minded having bars on the windows I look outa

Long as there's windows in the bars I go to

Betcha Billy Gates is a helluva poker player

And if Windows gets barred tomorrow

He'll laugh all the way

To the bank.