The Rand types have been done in. We're back to socialist keynesian economics.
You could have 100% undeniable proof but because it came from you, they'd still deny it.
Did the Bush Administration deceive Americans into supporting the Iraq war?
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Is that the trickle up theory where the gobmint takes it all and dispenses it to the great unwashed as they see fit?
Nope. It's Harper's style of Socialism where it's spent by priority and spent frugally but still spread thick enough to get re-elected.
You don't like me very much because I point out what you really are and support that with evidence.
No it isn't. I save that for blinder wearing ideologues that continuously post the same disproved lies, and propaganda to perpetuate hate.
That's not true. You call anyone that doesn't agree with you an Israeli apologist and supporter of hate crimes and crimes against humanity.
Regardless of how polite or respectful they are.
I know you tolerate your rule violations, and those of people of your ilk.
hell you even justify them.
What makes your justification any more valid than mine?
Liar.
and what's your point in posting a video from 1998? We all know that Iraq had WMD at one point. We all know he used WMD's against Iran and the Kurds. That really has no bearing on whether or not he had got rid of those WMD's and the ability to manufacture WMD's by the time the americans decided to lay waste to Iraq with their coalition.
I thought it was interesting that Bill Clinton was hinting at military action if Iraq did not come clean.
Which they most certainly did not, even over the next 5 years.
Saddam Hussein himself in interrogation said he was playing a very dangerous game, trying to keep Iran fooled over the extent of his abilities........
He fooled the USA too.
But I shed no tears for him or his regime.
Why is it OK for the biggest bully on the block to have WMDs and nobody else but his friends are allowed to have them?
Of course Iraq had WMDs at one time, the US sold them to them.
I don't either, for his regime, but I do for the tens of thousands of innocents that died at the hands of the coalition of the willing.
I doubt it, and if he said he did, I would say he was lying. He has consistently found excuses for "collateral damage" by the coalition forces.
So have, can I. It doesn't mean I can't feel for them.
I'm cold and callous, not a monster. I suspect Colpy is the same.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]THE US and Britain sold Saddam Hussein the technology and materials Iraq needed to develop nuclear, chemical and biological weapons of mass destruction.
Reports by the US Senate's committee on banking, housing and urban affairs -- which oversees American exports policy -- reveal that the US, under the successive administrations of Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr, sold materials including anthrax, VX nerve gas, West Nile fever germs and botulism to Iraq right up until March 1992, as well as germs similar to tuberculosis and pneumonia. Other bacteria sold included brucella melitensis, which damages major organs, and clostridium perfringens, which causes gas gangrene.
Classified US Defense Department documents also seen by the Sunday Herald show that Britain sold Iraq the drug pralidoxine, an antidote to nerve gas, in March 1992, after the end of the Gulf war. Pralidoxine can be reverse engineered to create nerve gas.
More: How Did Iraq Get Its Weapons? We Sold Them
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Well,... yes. I thought it was pretty much common knowledge by now that there was a good deal of deception going on, plus sloppy intelligence work and people believing what they wanted to believe rather than properly assessing the evidence. Iraq was the target from the first days of that administration, well before 9/11 happened, that just provided a convenient rationalization and the administration was careful not to bother explaining that Sodamn Insane had nothing to do with 9/11. It was really just because Iraq was geopolitically and militarily the easiest target in the region.
Cliffy, that is ridiculous.
The First Gulf War was between August of 1990 and March of 1991.....but your source claims the USA was selling Iraq WMDs right up until 1992.
'Common Dreams" is SO far out to lunch.............
Likely Iraq was finally disarmed by about 1996... albeit unwillingly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_biological_weapons_program#2003_invasion_of_Iraq
When I claim Iraq was disarmed, I mean UNSCOM had found and destroyed every WMD stockpile, cache, factory, lab, research paper, computer files...
Iraq finally started cooperating in 1997 because they had nothing to hide. But by that time, UNSCOM had stopped looking for WMDs and moved on to spying. The US/UK bombed Iraq in 1998 using UNSCOM gathered intel. The US kept insisting Iraq prove the non-existence of their WMDs (logical impossibility) right up until they invaded in 2003. Economic sanctions imposed on Iraq long after Iraq no longer possessed WMDs killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians from easily treated diseases and malnutrition.
Chief UN Weapon Inspector Blix's March 7, 2003 report to the UNSC clearly shows that the US could not justify war:
...How much time would it take to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks? While cooperation can and is to be immediate, disarmament and at any rate the verification of it cannot be instant. Even with a proactive Iraqi attitude, induced by continued outside pressure, it would still take some time to verify sites and items, analyse documents, interview relevant persons, and draw conclusions. It would not take years, nor weeks, but months. Neither governments nor inspectors would want disarmament inspection to go on forever. However, it must be remembered that in accordance with the governing resolutions, a sustained inspection and monitoring system is to remain in place after verified disarmament to give confidence and to strike an alarm, if signs were seen of the revival of any proscribed weapons programmes.
Security Council 7 March 2003
The US support Iraq's CW and BW programs during the Reagan era and the Iran/Iraq war, mid 1980's and after Iraq was condemned at the UN for using CWs against Kurdish civilians.
between 1985 and 1989, the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control sent Iraq 14 agents "with biological warfare significance,".
Perspective: How Iraq built its weapons programs
Support to Iraq was given via technological aid, intelligence, the sale of dual-use and military equipment, satellite intelligence, and chemical weapons.
Iran
The Prevention of Genocide Act of 1988 was a United States Senate bill to punish Iraq for chemical weapons attacks on the Kurds at Halabja during the Iran–Iraq War. It was defeated after intense lobbying of Congress by the Reagan-Bush White House which then supported Iraq's Saddam Hussein as a counterbalance to post-revolutionary Iran.
Prevention of Genocide Act of 1988 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
US President Ronald Reagan veto'd this bill because he opposed joining the international WMD embargo against Iraq claiming that such action would harm US exports to Iraq and American interests in the region. I understand many US companies made a killing off the Iran/Iraq war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_biological_weapons_program#2003_invasion_of_Iraq
When I claim Iraq was disarmed, I mean UNSCOM had found and destroyed every WMD stockpile, cache, factory, lab, research paper, computer files...
Iraq finally started cooperating in 1997 because they had nothing to hide. But by that time, UNSCOM had stopped looking for WMDs and moved on to spying. The US/UK bombed Iraq in 1998 using UNSCOM gathered intel. The US kept insisting Iraq prove the non-existence of their WMDs (logical impossibility) right up until they invaded in 2003. Economic sanctions imposed on Iraq long after Iraq no longer possessed WMDs killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians from easily treated diseases and malnutrition.
Chief UN Weapon Inspector Blix's March 7, 2003 report to the UNSC clearly shows that the US could not justify war:
...How much time would it take to resolve the key remaining disarmament tasks? While cooperation can and is to be immediate, disarmament and at any rate the verification of it cannot be instant. Even with a proactive Iraqi attitude, induced by continued outside pressure, it would still take some time to verify sites and items, analyse documents, interview relevant persons, and draw conclusions. It would not take years, nor weeks, but months. Neither governments nor inspectors would want disarmament inspection to go on forever. However, it must be remembered that in accordance with the governing resolutions, a sustained inspection and monitoring system is to remain in place after verified disarmament to give confidence and to strike an alarm, if signs were seen of the revival of any proscribed weapons programmes.
Security Council 7 March 2003
You are right, Common Dreams is out to lunch. But an antidote isn't a CW.
The US support Iraq's CW and BW programs during the Reagan era and the Iran/Iraq war, mid 1980's and after Iraq was condemned at the UN for using CWs against Kurdish civilians.
between 1985 and 1989, the Atlanta-based Centers for Disease Control sent Iraq 14 agents "with biological warfare significance,".
Perspective: How Iraq built its weapons programs
Support to Iraq was given via technological aid, intelligence, the sale of dual-use and military equipment, satellite intelligence, and chemical weapons.
Iran
The Prevention of Genocide Act of 1988 was a United States Senate bill to punish Iraq for chemical weapons attacks on the Kurds at Halabja during the Iran–Iraq War. It was defeated after intense lobbying of Congress by the Reagan-Bush White House which then supported Iraq's Saddam Hussein as a counterbalance to post-revolutionary Iran.
Prevention of Genocide Act of 1988 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
US President Ronald Reagan veto'd this bill because he opposed joining the international WMD embargo against Iraq claiming that such action would harm US exports to Iraq and American interests in the region. I understand many US companies made a killing off the Iran/Iraq war.
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