Mom of suspected school shooter -- first to die -- was avid gun enthusiast
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It' easier to pretend that an immediate result can be achieved by putting a band-aid on a wound rather than understand why one got cut in the first place.
.. Akin to hitting your thumb with a hammer while driving a nail - so the solution is to ban all nails.
Ask Rena Virk's family about how they feel about mental illness and violence... You'll likely see an answer very different from your own
This is most certainly a metal health issue and not a gun issue. The problem is mental health is grossly underfunded and under staffed. Most mental health patients can be trained to deal with life through proper therapy and live relatively productive lives. The problem comes with a lack of training or a lack of will to do any other type of therapy other than drug therapy. And the drugs they use are more dangerous than the mental problem. They have very dangerous side effects and as has been shown, very dangerous results.
Maybe not pertaining to whackjobs, but there is a lot of killing by criminals in organized crime. Is an innocent person caught in a cross fire any less serious than killing school children?
I've said many times, a 'ban' is an ultimate band aid solution. In the end it's superficial and just a way to avoid a larger problem.
But just to be clear, there are always limitations and restrictions on rights in a society. Can't yell Fire in a crowded theatre and all that. But those have to be reasonable and there is noting about an "all or nothing" standpoint that can be construed as reasonable. Especially when it is used to avoid other larger issues.
As Bear said... look up the VT killer and the theater killer and even this guy in Connecticut. They all had mental issues. So lets get all knee jerky and lock them all up.
This year like almost every year I'll be having Christmas dinner with my wife in the hospital cafeteria. She's booked for 6 12 hour shifts over Christmas.
Cognative skills training is the backbone of mental health treatment. It's there and it's offered but it can't be made mandatory like drug therapy can be.
Except lets not, because two wrongs don't make a right, yada, yada. It's high time we stopped being reactive and started being a little proactive about things.
(But I get your point)
Just putting the words "mental health" into a sentence about guns does not constitute addressing the issue of mental health.
But nice try.
The ban is great IF everyone follows suit.... For those that don't, the ban provides them with a huge advantage over the rest of society.
Let's be realistic here; there are already laws in place that (theoretically) prevent this style of action - yet here we are, mourning the loss of many little kids just days before Xmas
Even if it means taking food off the tables of and the safety of 10s of thousands of Canadians?
Define which mental health disorders qualify someone as dangerous?
It really doesn't matter what is done, we are never going to make more than a "dent" in the situation.
Of course they don't, particularly when no one listens to them in the first place. Why would they bother?
What mind reading program would that be specifically and where has anyone advocated such a program? I sure as hell know that it wasn't me, the only thing I've advocated is trying to get people to actually talk about mental illness as a starting point.
Which you still seem hell bent on avoiding.
I'm very convinced that a lot of people want to put a ban in place so that they can pat themselves on the back and feel good about what they've done.
And then continue to ignore a very real problem that won't go away.
So let's play Devil's Advocate. We ban all the guns, somehow in some way we round every single last one of them up and toss them all and the ability to make more into a black hole.
It's done.
Then what? The world is all happy and life is rosy for everyone?