To some Liberals he is the devil. And I also have no use for Harper but the OP is over the top.
Ford down Harper next
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To some Liberals he is the devil. And I also have no use for Harper but the OP is over the top.
I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for Harper's downfall. The demographics are quickly changing, like a quarter of the population is over 65, where things like income splitting will go a long way to keep him in power. Liberals could have done it but didn't. I know there are a few (oddballs) who think seniors are spoilt, whining brats, but the fact remains they are a force at the polling booth. -
Yep.......us old Boomers have brains. We know a good thing when we see it and Mr Harper just happens to be it. Rock on Stephen. :lol:
Yep, I don't know whether to laugh or cry when watching these guys, if the roles were reversed it would still be the same thing! -
Does anyone know why Ford was elected in the first place?
He never abused his operating budget, answered every call made to him by the people he represented certainly didn't hurt, but the real reason that Ford was elected because the core of Toronto was busy ramming its agenda down the throats of the rest of Mega-City.
The Miller Administration, scared off business with high taxes, wasted its time on initiatives like bike lanes that operate 12 months a year bringing further gridlock to an already gridlocked city. Never mind trying to institute handgun bans that it really had no power to do. There there were the backroom deals that allowed vendors to in the Beaches to gain contracts without an outside bid.
Or how about cutting the wages of non-union city workers while giving the unions a pass. Then there was the minor issue of subjecting Toronto to a filthy garbage strike that lasted the bulk of the summer and then caving to the Union and meeting it's original demands. That Miller was one tough negotiator.
And what about all the money that was bilked out of taxpayers while counselors attended conferences on global warming out of Country? Or using their office budgets to throw party's at a whopping $12,000.00 or donating part of that operating budget to the Leather Ball.
Rob Ford was elected because a large part of Toronto was sick of the shenanigans, the corruption, the ineptness and poor leadership of the Miller Administration. Rob Ford might be a buffoon, but his worst crime to date is using some City Hall Stationary to raise money so underprivileged kids can play football rather than join a gang and sell meth or crack or shoot each other up in the street. That seems a hell of a lot more proactive than instituting a useless handgun ban.
As for Harper. Good luck getting rid of Harper. I have been a critic of this government for the last year and I don't see a viable alternative. The Liberal Party really needs to have a big helping of humble pie and not stick their finger down their throat like an anorexic who won't realize that dying of starvation is not the way to make everyone love you.
But then what should we expect from the Party that thinks it's THE NATURAL GOVERNING PARTY OF CANADA or is that QUEBEC?
He never abused his operating budget, answered every call made to him by the people he represented certainly didn't hurt, but the real reason that Ford was elected because the core of Toronto was busy ramming its agenda down the throats of the rest of Mega-City.
The Miller Administration, scared off business with high taxes, wasted its time on initiatives like bike lanes that operate 12 months a year bringing further gridlock to an already gridlocked city. Never mind trying to institute handgun bans that it really had no power to do. There there were the backroom deals that allowed vendors to in the Beaches to gain contracts without an outside bid.
Or how about cutting the wages of non-union city workers while giving the unions a pass. Then there was the minor issue of subjecting Toronto to a filthy garbage strike that lasted the bulk of the summer and then caving to the Union and meeting it's original demands. That Miller was one tough negotiator.
And what about all the money that was bilked out of taxpayers while counselors attended conferences on global warming out of Country? Or using their office budgets to throw party's at a whopping $12,000.00 or donating part of that operating budget to the Leather Ball.
Rob Ford was elected because a large part of Toronto was sick of the shenanigans, the corruption, the ineptness and poor leadership of the Miller Administration. Rob Ford might be a buffoon, but his worst crime to date is using some City Hall Stationary to raise money so underprivileged kids can play football rather than join a gang and sell meth or crack or shoot each other up in the street. That seems a hell of a lot more proactive than instituting a useless handgun ban.
As for Harper. Good luck getting rid of Harper. I have been a critic of this government for the last year and I don't see a viable alternative. The Liberal Party really needs to have a big helping of humble pie and not stick their finger down their throat like an anorexic who won't realize that dying of starvation is not the way to make everyone love you.
But then what should we expect from the Party that thinks it's THE NATURAL GOVERNING PARTY OF CANADA or is that QUEBEC?
Toronto Mayor Rob Ford eligible to run in byelection
Toronto Mayor Rob Ford eligible to run in byelection | Toronto & GTA | News | Toronto Sun
u mad?
Toronto Mayor Rob Ford eligible to run in byelection | Toronto & GTA | News | Toronto Sun
u mad?
Contempt for the rules? You and I know a very different Stephen Harper. As I see it, he loves the rules. He uses them to get exactly his way. Remember that book that was disseminated to conservative chair committee members during their first minority? I think they called it the blue book; it was some 300 odd pages on how to stall committees using the rules to get what they want.
You can give him that at the least. Now, I happen to think his rules lawyering is sort of undemocratic and I happen to disagree with a bunch of his decisions and I find his rhetorical posturing to be repugnant, but as far as being a parliamentarian he seems to know how to get what he wants without breaking the rules.
You can give him that at the least. Now, I happen to think his rules lawyering is sort of undemocratic and I happen to disagree with a bunch of his decisions and I find his rhetorical posturing to be repugnant, but as far as being a parliamentarian he seems to know how to get what he wants without breaking the rules.
Ford will win the right to run again but he will be crushed,Karen Stintz will eat him alive. We need less extremism and buffoonery, which Ford, unfortunately stands for.
He's a buffoon.
I voted for this **** and I feel vile for saying so. Might as well have voted in Helen Keller
- RCS ... Your post as to why Rob Ford was elected in the first place is right on the money!
- Michael Coren is similarly on the money as to why Ford has been mercilessly gang banged for the initial two years of his term as mayor and for his prior decade as a councillor and whyn he has now been temporarily done in.
- I say temprorarily because he will probably get a stay and then win on appeal and if he loses on appeal he will win the consequent by-election by an even greater margin than the 90,000 plus vote lead he had over George Slitherman the billion dollar EHealth boondoggler in 2010.
- While the big spending, big government, big union left wing cabal that conspired to bring Ford down and their supporters on the lunatic left wing fringe including several here who don't give a crap about democracy only about looking after priveleged groups (especially themselves) such as unionized public sector whiners won't get it even after Ford wipes the floor with them on appeal or in a by-election, their disgustingly cynical anti-democratic scheme will actually enable Rob Ford to ultimately strengthen his grip on the council and government of Toronto and fulfill his agenda to get control of runaway municipal spending, arrogant and lardassed and unproductive municipal unions and finally provide value for money and tax relief to the beleagured Toronto ratepayers.
- Here's Coren's take on who and how Ford was brought down:
Civic snobbery: Ford a populist done in by leftist mediocrities
By Michael Coren ,QMI Agency
First posted: Friday, November 30, 2012 08:00 PM EST
A great deal has been written about Toronto Mayor Rob Ford this week, and some of it, at least, has been sensible. The truth, however, can be summarized as follows.
First, he was wrong to do what he did, and should have been more careful and also apologized.
Second, the law itself is archaic and absurd, and when the punishment is ridiculously inappropriate to the crime, the law itself is by nature unjust and wrong.
Third, of course the entire enterprise was politically motivated, and those behind it had as their intention not fair play and responsibility but removing a man they detested, by any means necessary.
Other mayors, and certainly other councillors, have acted with far more contempt for process and for their colleagues, but their leftism meant friends in high and low places, and the criticism for their actions was tame if not suppressed. These people also had selfish motives, whereas Rob Ford was, in essence, forcing rich people to give money to poor people, which one would have thought was a socialist rather than conservative aspiration.
Herein lies a point. Ford is not really a conservative, and certainly not an ideological one. We auditioned him as a guest on my former television show, where we featured debates between right and left. I asked him about holidays in Marxist Cuba. “Lovely beaches, why not go, no problem.” Gay marriage. “Not for me, but nothing to do with me, I couldn’t care.”
And so on. He’s a fiscal stickler in terms of public spending, and an instinctive populist, but not a genuine conservative. Unlike most of the political left in this country, Ford is acutely comfortable with working people, ethnic minorities, hockey and football fans. Try watching his leftist critics in such circles and you’ll weep with embarrassment.
A lot of this, you see, is about snobbery. If Ford was patrician or had gone to the right schools and knew the right people, he might still have political opponents, but not the visceral haters that he has had for so long. He’s not, as it were, “one of us.”
As a Brit from a working-class family who was dropped from university onwards into the world of super-privilege, the best private schools, and hyper-elitism, I’ve always found Canadian snobbery ridiculous. These Upper Canada College, mock English accent types would be considered horribly nouveau riche and vulgar in Britain, yet live out their fantasies in Canada.
The Ford affair pretty much breaks down according to supporters and opponents. Those who like him think he’s been treated badly, those who oppose him applaud the law. Both are wrong, but the latter more so, and they now think it fashionable to place a pedantic judiciary above a democratic system.
Toronto council drowns in self-regarding blowhards, political lightweights, and ambitious mediocrities. They’re now running around like insects pretending to be sorry for a situation that delights them, in that it might advance their sorry careers.
The people spoke clearly in the election. Their man then acted foolishly, but only slightly so. An ugly coalition of leftist hacks had their way, and once again the people who seem to matter least are the voters.
Ho hum