Contrasting Harper's Leadership with Obama's Weakness

lone wolf

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I was fiscally raped and left to die by the Conman's sense of Revolution when I became disabled on the job while in contract employment by the Province of Opportunists on Provincial property and using Province-owned equipment. It's heartless moronics by people of your ilk that leave the elderly and disabled destitute.

I think that McGuinty alternative energy program did more to raise hydro rates, than what Harris did.
Agreed. A new, provincially-owned Ontario Hydro was a bridge too far beyond the stupid act that privatized Hydro
 

DaSleeper

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I was fiscally raped and left to die by the Conman's sense of Revolution when I became disabled on the job while in contract employment by the Province of Opportunists on Provincial property and using Province-owned equipment. It's heartless moronics by people of your ilk that leave the elderly and disabled destitute.


Agreed. A new, provincially-owned Ontario Hydro was a bridge too far beyond the stupid act that privatized Hydro
His handling of Ipperwash was less than exemplary....
 

Cannuck

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- Cannuck ... Playing and teaching sports, especially team sports, can be a very useful part of a future political leader`s experience, IMNSHO. Skiing like the martial arts sports his daddy enjoyed, is not a team sport and perhaps Justin will be as inept at team building and leading as his father was. Among Canadian political leaders, a few excelled at team sports ... the late, great Peter Lougheed and Lester Pearson come quickly to mind and both were noted for their team building abilities in their later political lives.

Clearly you are not a sportsman. Playing sports teaches perseverance and discipline among other things. Probably the best lesson one can learn is quitters never win and winners never quit.
 

Spade

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Obama is not perfect.
During the most recent Israeli-Gazan fracas, at a news conference in Thailand, Obama asserted, without blushing, "There's no country on Earth that would tolerate missiles raining down on its citizens from outside its borders." Pakistan and Yehmen are exceptions, I presume. This statement was indicative of American exceptionalism and a pandering to domestic lobbies.
However, Obama was far preferrable to what a nation of over 300 million proferred as alternatives.

But, if Obama is not perfect, Harper is far from perfect.
 

darkbeaver

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Pamella Geller approves of Stephen Harper, that's one more Zionists vote for one of their undercover zombies. Sleezy Harper must have been a bad boy one time too many.

Obama is not perfect.
During the most recent Israeli-Gazan fracas, at a news conference in Thailand, Obama asserted, without blushing, "There's no country on Earth that would tolerate missiles raining down on its citizens from outside its borders." Pakistan and Yehmen are exceptions, I presume. This statement was indicative of American exceptionalism and a pandering to domestic lobbies.
However, Obama was far preferrable to what a nation of over 300 million proferred as alternatives.

But, if Obama is not perfect, Harper is far from perfect.

I vehemently disagree Harpercon is perfection itself. His grasp of what Israel needs is exemplary. I demand that you apologize to Stevey this instant.
 

Cliffy

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I vehemently disagree Harpercon is perfection itself. His grasp of what Israel needs is exemplary. I demand that you apologize to Stevey this instant.
Oh, Fuddle Duddle! This reverse psychology only works on mindless drones. Stevie is a butt kisser.
 

damngrumpy

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Obama is a conservative, there is no doubt of this its has always been so
Harper is a political drone he is setting up the agenda for the social Conservatives
after he leaves the stage.
We should be far more concerned about Harper than with Obama.
In the US the fiscal Conservatives will eventually get their party back
In Canada we could end up with the fringe social conservative rabble taking control
of the country.
It has happened in Uganda and look at the mess that place is in.
 

DaSleeper

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Obama is a conservative, there is no doubt of this its has always been so.
Now That was funny......
 

TeddyBallgame

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Now That was funny......

- DS ... Yes that whole riff by Damngrumpy was unintentionally and profoundly hilarious. But then Damngrumpy is a former labour union leader out on the Left Coast and they don't get any lefter or loonier than former union leaders from Lotus Land.

- If he thinks that Obama is on the right and Harper is on the far right, he probably thinks that Layton was center-right and that Lenin was a middle of the roader.

- Anyhow, its nice to see that his platinum plated, heavily publicly subsidized, fully indexed, defined benefits pension financed largely by those of us in the private sector who have no pension other than what we save enables him to continue to buy the best hallucinatory drugs.

I was fiscally raped and left to die by the Conman's sense of Revolution when I became disabled on the job while in contract employment by the Province of Opportunists on Provincial property and using Province-owned equipment. It's heartless moronics by people of your ilk that leave the elderly and disabled destitute.


Agreed. A new, provincially-owned Ontario Hydro was a bridge too far beyond the stupid act that privatized Hydro

- lone wolf ... Please accept my sincere condolences concerning your unfortunate accident.

- But I must also note that macro-economic data and provincial credit ratings and other irrefutable evidence compatring the Harris years with the Rae and McGuilty years does not lie.

- Forgive my ignorance but what did Harris or his government have to do with your misfortune? Would the Rae government have kept the accident from happening or have given you a bigger compensation payout for your disability aquired on the job or what - EXACTLY - would have been different had this tragic incident happened on provincial property before Harris took power?
 

damngrumpy

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By Canadian Standards he would be regarded as a conservative. Is he a left winger? NO
In fact he espouses all the jargon of a left leaning conservative, the Wall Street people don't
like him because he believes in some regulations and of course the ultra conservatives don't
The days of uncontrolled markets are over as people are waking up to the fact that uncontrolled
is as bad as too much regulation.
I for one believe we need a mixture of capitalism and democratic socialism in our system.
For example aside from some regulatory controls we should not be in the mining industries or the
local grocery chains. But the government should have the hammerlock control on medicare and
other programs associated with the public good.
Apprentice programs are for example an area of cooperation between government and the private
sector. The program should be operated by the private sector even more so than by the universities
Professors are not fabricators, Electricians and so on. The financing and placement should have
input from government agencies.
 

lone wolf

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- lone wolf ... Please accept my sincere condolences concerning your unfortunate accident.

- But I must also note that macro-economic data and provincial credit ratings and other irrefutable evidence compatring the Harris years with the Rae and McGuilty years does not lie.

- Forgive my ignorance but what did Harris or his government have to do with your misfortune? Would the Rae government have kept the accident from happening or have given you a bigger compensation payout for your disability aquired on the job or what - EXACTLY - would have been different had this tragic incident happened on provincial property before Harris took power?

Your ignorance and arrogance are both unforgivable but understandable accepting the vacuum you seem to inhabit.

It might be of interest to know that Feb 28 1993, the date of the accident, Rae's government were in power and attempting to untangle the mess a previous government made of WCB. I don't know that any government could have prevented the accident. Perhaps I should have left my own work ethic behind and adopted a Union stance - ie "Not my job". I wasn't raised that way.

Under Rae, I qualified for Vocational Rehabilitation Services (an MCSS program for which the same significant disability as required for Disability must be determined) despite my doctors urging to take the Disability.

Under Harris and his magic axe, I had to re-qualify for a program to which there was supposed to be a smooth and seamless transition (Voc Rehab to the new ODSP)

Ontario eh « Ontario eh
 

Cannuck

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Take heart DG. You are absolutely correct


People see what they want to see.

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gerryh

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- gerryh ... Still waiting for your explanation of your stunningly stupid comment about young part time drama teacher Justin Trudeau "doing a great job so far" and I expect to wait a very long time for you to even try to rationalize that asinine remark.

I have already explained in what way he is doing a good job. Once again you are too dense to recognize it. Justin is doing one hell of a great job scaring the right wing. If they weren't worried about him, then he wouldn't be on their radar.

- So you responded to China's correct observation that Trudeau's election in 1968 was a diaster for Canada with the cryptic comment that this is one more reason for you to like Trudeau. Are you along with Justin an agent provocateur from the Tory party on a mission to make the Liberals seem even more ridiculous and irrelevant than they already do?

The one more reason for me to like P.E.T is because china the Canada hater doesn't like him. If Justin becoming Prime Minister means china get's the he ll out of Canada again, all the more reason to vote Liberal.