Israel Welcomes Evangelical Support—but not an Evangelical Presence

[In Between Man]

There was no Jesus?

That's not what I said and I don't know how you got that from my post. Muslims believe that the historical Jesus who walked the earth was only a mere prophet, not the Son of God (deity). Their end time belief is of "Muslim Jesus" a fictional character opposite of the real Jesus Christ.

I know your beliefs are fringe beliefs but yeeesh, now you're really getting out there.

Biblical Christianity isn't fringe, it's mainstream. You, sir, have some of the most fringe "christian" beliefs I've ever come across. For example, "if you're christian, you're catholic" and "until baptized you're not a christian" and "Jesus wasn't Jewish".

 

[darkbeaver]

If you have a shaman to visit, you should be doin' what he/she does to get the goods on god/life/reality. Castaneda got way to cryptic for me near the end of the series. After decades of study I came to the conclusion that the purpose of life on this rock was to decide to be happy in spite of all the insanity that goes on. It is our ticket out of hell. Oh, and I figure god don't give a damn about the beliefs and actions of a silly, insignificant species on an insignificant speck of dust floating in an infinite universe.

So your purpose in life is to get out of it. Me to. But owing to my wasted youth and it's shriveled bloom I know for certain I'll be coming back for summer school. At least I suspect very much that will be the case. I'm very much underdone methinks. God loves you Cliffy. If not how is it she put you here?

So the title of the OP should have been Israel likes the money send it by post they don't have time for you.

 

[Cliffy]

So your purpose in life is to get out of it. Me to. But owing to my wasted youth and it's shriveled bloom I know for certain I'll be coming back for summer school. At least I suspect very much that will be the case. I'm very much underdone methinks. God loves you Cliffy. If not how is it she put you here?

So the title of the OP should have been Israel likes the money send it by post they don't have time for you.

You are not judged by any deity. We come here to learn about who we really are. Once you figure that out, you can go on to the next stage of development. Your so called wasted youth was not wasted. It was all part of the learning process. It ain't over till the fat lady sings, so it is never too late to graduate as long as you are still breathing.

 

[darkbeaver]

You are not judged by any deity. We come here to learn about who we really are. Once you figure that out, you can go on to the next stage of development. Your so called wasted youth was not wasted. It was all part of the learning process. It ain't over till the fat lady sings, so it is never too late to graduate as long as you are still breathing.

I'll argue of course. It's not much point in realizing a wasted youth only to be coddled by a kind spirit and reassured that those wasted years were not in fact wasted. Excuse me but I wasted my allotment (this time) when I could have sat me down in any halfpint library and got right with God seemingly eons ago. I'm generally very happily recently arrived at a point in that above mentioned learning process where I appreciate my errors. The old guys say it's never to late breathing or not cuz you ain't leaving hell till you get the lessons down pat.

 

[petros]

Biblical Christianity isn't fringe, it's mainstream. You, sir, have some of the most fringe "christian" beliefs I've ever come across. For example, "if you're christian, you're catholic" and "until baptized you're not a christian" and "Jesus wasn't Jewish".

Not fringe? If it wasn't fringe, you'd be allowed to set up shop in Israel. ALL Christianity of today is from the Catholics. Where do you think it came from?

I can quote Chapter and Verse that Jesus was not Jewish and that Jews started out on their own from the Israelites in 350BC but you for some reason post video as you sources.

Can you quote Chapter and Verse of there being a rapture?

Why would Jews want to support a bunch of wingnuts who want to pack them all into a disputed land, try to convert them after 2000 years of refusing, and fry the ones who don't?

That sounds like something a Taliban or Wahabi would say.

The biggest threat to Jews is the fringe christians that you think have it right.

 

[darkbeaver]

Not fringe? If it wasn't fringe, you'd be allowed to set up shop in Israel. ALL Christianity of today is from the Catholics. Where do you think it came from?

What is your opinion on the origin of the Catholics though? and do you have a good link for that Sophia book you mentioned a while ago?

 

[petros]

Where, how or why did Catholicism arise? Which are you after? Sophia (knowledge) is Gnostic.

 

[Spade]

The Holy Land? What a crock! If it were a holy land, rabbis, imams, pasors, priests, and popes would physically stand between the warring paries. This entire disputed region is not worth the life of a single child! Shame!

 

[petros]

The Holy Land? What a crock! If it were a holy land, rabbis, imams, pasors, priests, and popes would physically stand between the warring paries. This entire disputed region is not worth the life of a single child! Shame!

The Holyland has indeed been unholied.

 

[darkbeaver]

Where, how or why did Catholicism arise? Which are you after? Sophia (knowledge) is Gnostic.

A post or two above this one. "ALL Christianity of today is from the Catholics." The Pistol er something.

The Holy Land? What a crock! If it were a holy land, rabbis, imams, pasors, priests, and popes would physically stand between the warring paries. This entire disputed region is not worth the life of a single child! Shame!

When and how did it become the holy land I wonder?

 

[In Between Man]

When and how did it become the holy land I wonder?

Oh hey DB! You're back from the shed I see. Where were we? Oh yes, we were discussing how I was right.

 

[Cliffy]

Not fringe? If it wasn't fringe, you'd be allowed to set up shop in Israel. ALL Christianity of today is from the Catholics. Where do you think it came from?

Where did the catholics come from?
The church gave us the bible, which is something the evangelicals can't seem to grasp. To hear them you would think they wrote it.

A post or two above this one. "ALL Christianity of today is from the Catholics." The Pistol er something.



When and how did it become the holy land I wonder?

When Abraham cut off his foreskin?

Oh hey DB! You're back from the shed I see. Where were we? Oh yes, we were discussing how I was right.

If you are wrong are you then LEFT?

 

[MHz]

That's not what I said and I don't know how you got that from my post. Muslims believe that the historical Jesus who walked the earth was only a mere prophet, not the Son of God (deity). Their end time belief is of "Muslim Jesus" a fictional character opposite of the real Jesus Christ.
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So the Muslim Jesus at the end-time is a deity (power and such) and He is fictional and that matches what Christians already think of Jesus which is also a fictitious character??

At the first advent Jesus did a lot of things that closed up the prophecies about the bruise to the heel and for the end-time He gave many prophecies but did no events that completed things so He was a prophet in that respect, the return will be with power and glory, the same way Jews sees the Messiah who wears a crown.

 

[In Between Man]

So the Muslim Jesus at the end-time is a deity

No. He's a convert to Islam and Chief executioner of Christians and Jews according to their beliefs.

 

[MHz]

The church gave us the bible, which is something the evangelicals can't seem to grasp. To hear them you would think they wrote it.

That 'Church' was also in prophecy were it said it would mess up. 'The truth' would have been the complete NT so it could not have happened until about 100AD when Revelation was written, even in 325 the RCC was 'in the truth' but by the time Rome folded (400AD) the Church was using their Latin Bible with the change in what it taught.

Da:8:12:
And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,
and it cast down the truth to the ground;
and it practised,
and prospered.

The Evangelican history isn't any less bloody, when those two can find an enemy they will make war against each other. Just sayin ....

No. He's a convert to Islam and Chief executioner of Christians and Jews according to their beliefs.

If it hints that He is unstoppable then that makes Him a deity or is there more to the story?

 

[Spade]

"In the first place Gawd made idiots. That was for practice. Then he made evangelicals."
- Mark Twain
I wonder if he were right....?

 

[darkbeaver]

Oh hey DB! You're back from the shed I see. Where were we? Oh yes, we were discussing how I was right.

If you want to be right I have no objection. You see us real Christians would rather be above simple considerations like two dimensional traffic signals.

 

[petros]

No. He's a convert to Islam and Chief executioner of Christians and Jews according to their beliefs.

Quote it from source. NO VIDEOS, NO I THINKS, NO I BELIEVES and NO I'VE BEEN TOLDS....

The Jews were waiting for the Messiah, He came, they rejected him and still do today.

Christians don't have a Messiah either because we know Jesus was the Messiah and there is no need to wait for someone who already showed up.

IBM I have a Q for you. In your church do they train you on how to respond to real Christians who disagee with Darbage (John Darby garbage)?

 

[Cliffy]

That 'Church' was also in prophecy were it said it would mess up. 'The truth' would have been the complete NT so it could not have happened until about 100AD when Revelation was written, even in 325 the RCC was 'in the truth' but by the time Rome folded (400AD) the Church was using their Latin Bible with the change in what it taught.

Da:8:12:
And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,
and it cast down the truth to the ground;
and it practised,
and prospered.

The Evangelican history isn't any less bloody, when those two can find an enemy they will make war against each other. Just sayin ....


If it hints that He is unstoppable then that makes Him a deity or is there more to the story?

You don't get it either. The church put together the bible. The KJV leaves out a bunch of books even though the original says it is against god's law to do so. The Hebrews made up the OT. Now tell me: Why do you think it is the word of gawd?

 

[darkbeaver]

Crafty scribes of some tribe or other reworked the real theology of the ages to make their tribe the center piece cuz every part of both the new and the old predates by thousands of years the alleged events in discussion here.