A more than a few sour grapes wishing physical harm upon others as well I've noticed.
Honestly, anyone that wrapped up in their respective ideology needs to seriously re-evaluate their priorities in life.
Republican supporters getting nasty!
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A more than a few sour grapes wishing physical harm upon others as well I've noticed.
Honestly, anyone that wrapped up in their respective ideology needs to seriously re-evaluate their priorities in life.
Beware.... Karma's a bitch....
Whose version? Tea Party is a great example of co-operation
Remarks like those of Baals Tears just destroy all credibility- first they are erroneous and second they are viscious!
A Landslide Loss for Big Money
The millionaires and billionaires who gave nearly $500 million to independent groups in the race to elect Mitt Romney and other Republicans not only bet on the wrong party, they bet on the wrong tactic. They believed that an endless drumbeat of television advertisements would be enough to drive voters away from President Obama and Democratic policies.
It did not work. Democrats not only won the White House, they increased their majority in the Senate and added to their numbers in the House. Although Democratic outside groups spent more than $200 million on ads, the tactic that proved most effective — particularly as practiced by the Obama campaign and the party — was identifying voters in key states and getting them to the polls.
There is something supremely cynical about the notion among Republican conservatives that they could use their ability to make unlimited contributions to “super PACs” and shadowy social-welfare groups to buy an election. It views voters as a flock of sheep, easily hypnotized by misleading ads, willing to believe whatever wealthy industrialists tell them about taxes, jobs and health care.
Granted, television ads have long played an excessive role in American politics, substituting cheap accusations for discourse, but this was the year they went too far. In state after swing state, voters said they were overwhelmed by the din of ads and tuned it all out.
That meant the biggest-spending conservative groups were trounced. American Crossroads, the super PAC founded by Karl Rove, spent $104 million in the general election, but none of its candidates won. The United States Chamber of Commerce spent $24 million backing Republicans in 15 Senate races; only two of them won. Sheldon Adelson, the casino mogul, spent $53 million on nine Republican candidates, eight of whom lost.
The failure of this tactic could have important effects in future elections. Big givers are likely to be more skeptical when people like Mr. Rove come calling. Independent groups cannot coordinate get-out-the-vote drives with campaigns, but may begin thinking about how better to use their money to target voters and build grass-roots efforts, a more positive goal than endless attack ads.
More at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/o...?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20121111&_r=0
The millionaires and billionaires who gave nearly $500 million to independent groups in the race to elect Mitt Romney and other Republicans not only bet on the wrong party, they bet on the wrong tactic. They believed that an endless drumbeat of television advertisements would be enough to drive voters away from President Obama and Democratic policies.
It did not work. Democrats not only won the White House, they increased their majority in the Senate and added to their numbers in the House. Although Democratic outside groups spent more than $200 million on ads, the tactic that proved most effective — particularly as practiced by the Obama campaign and the party — was identifying voters in key states and getting them to the polls.
There is something supremely cynical about the notion among Republican conservatives that they could use their ability to make unlimited contributions to “super PACs” and shadowy social-welfare groups to buy an election. It views voters as a flock of sheep, easily hypnotized by misleading ads, willing to believe whatever wealthy industrialists tell them about taxes, jobs and health care.
Granted, television ads have long played an excessive role in American politics, substituting cheap accusations for discourse, but this was the year they went too far. In state after swing state, voters said they were overwhelmed by the din of ads and tuned it all out.
That meant the biggest-spending conservative groups were trounced. American Crossroads, the super PAC founded by Karl Rove, spent $104 million in the general election, but none of its candidates won. The United States Chamber of Commerce spent $24 million backing Republicans in 15 Senate races; only two of them won. Sheldon Adelson, the casino mogul, spent $53 million on nine Republican candidates, eight of whom lost.
The failure of this tactic could have important effects in future elections. Big givers are likely to be more skeptical when people like Mr. Rove come calling. Independent groups cannot coordinate get-out-the-vote drives with campaigns, but may begin thinking about how better to use their money to target voters and build grass-roots efforts, a more positive goal than endless attack ads.
More at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/11/o...?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20121111&_r=0
Doesn't really matter about 'whose version' at this point. Nothing will happen unless both Parties cooperate.
I guess that means that Obama wil have to reach-out to the Republicans and the Tea Party to move forward.
Beware.... Karma's a bitch....
Right on Mowich, but no one is squeaky clean in politics, I imagine the Dems spent a lot on the same thing.-
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Right on Mowich, but no one is squeaky clean in politics, I imagine the Dems spent a lot on the same thing.-
Oh the Dems had their share of negative advertising too, JLM......you are right about that.
Apparently Republicans - not the TP - but true Republicans are talking about supporting measures to limit such excesses in future elections. A definite step in the right direction if such should prove to be the case.
I saw many of the ads that the TP groups ran and having seen them I started some fact checking of my own. I found that many of them relied on innuendo, supposition, and out right lies in order to get their message across. I had the time to fact check, but I do wonder how many US voters had the same opportunity.
I also watched many of the Dem ads and they were just as nasty but they tended to point out things that the TP candidates had actually said which kind of made it a no-brainer for the Dems.
BTW, I am just as much against the Conservative party running negative advertising campaigns believing that most Canadians can see through them so easily.
I don't think BT and his cohorts know the meaning of that word. Which is why they are losers.
Does anyone know if all this money donated to super pacs is tax deductible? If so it would mean that the taxpayers are financing election campaigns.
The Oracle’s Debacle
BEFORE election night 2000, when he was riding high as “Bush’s brain,” Karl Rove made Olympian pronouncements about a dawning realignment of the electorate and an enduring age of Republican dominance, masterminded by — who else? — Karl Rove.
On election night 2012, when he was brought low by Mitt Romney’s defeat and the party’s miserable showing in Senate races, he went into denial. It was something to see, something that really will endure, that half-hour or so on Fox News, when he insisted on an alternate reality to the one described by NBC and CBS and even his own Fox colleagues, who were calling the election, correctly, for President Obama. Rove would have none of it, and no wonder. It didn’t just contradict the statements he’d been making for months as a gabby media pundit. It undercut the pose he’d been striking for more than a decade as a lofty political prophet.
In his pout and his pique there were lessons. One is that money, which the political groups that he directs spent oodles and oodles of, doesn’t trump message or spackle over the cracks in a candidate or candidacy. Another is that reality won’t be denied, whether the issue is climate change, which a ludicrous percentage of Republicans at least pretend not to accept, or the country’s diversity, which a self-defeating percentage of them simply ignore.
And yet another is that prophets are people too, blinded by their own self-interest, swayed by their own self-promotion, neither omniscient nor omnipotent. In a political culture that treats its consultants as demigods, this is too often forgotten, by the consultants themselves most of all, and Rove just gave all of us a mesmerizing reminder of that. The oracle suffered a debacle.
"Rove’s awful election night proved that you can’t buy momentum or create it simply by decreeing it, and that there’s a boundary to what bluster accomplishes. The road he zoomed down in 2012 was toward a potentially diminished place in his party, and Goddangit, baby, he was making good time indeed." :lol:
More at:
The Oracle?s Debacle - NYTimes.com
On election night 2012, when he was brought low by Mitt Romney’s defeat and the party’s miserable showing in Senate races, he went into denial. It was something to see, something that really will endure, that half-hour or so on Fox News, when he insisted on an alternate reality to the one described by NBC and CBS and even his own Fox colleagues, who were calling the election, correctly, for President Obama. Rove would have none of it, and no wonder. It didn’t just contradict the statements he’d been making for months as a gabby media pundit. It undercut the pose he’d been striking for more than a decade as a lofty political prophet.
In his pout and his pique there were lessons. One is that money, which the political groups that he directs spent oodles and oodles of, doesn’t trump message or spackle over the cracks in a candidate or candidacy. Another is that reality won’t be denied, whether the issue is climate change, which a ludicrous percentage of Republicans at least pretend not to accept, or the country’s diversity, which a self-defeating percentage of them simply ignore.
And yet another is that prophets are people too, blinded by their own self-interest, swayed by their own self-promotion, neither omniscient nor omnipotent. In a political culture that treats its consultants as demigods, this is too often forgotten, by the consultants themselves most of all, and Rove just gave all of us a mesmerizing reminder of that. The oracle suffered a debacle.
"Rove’s awful election night proved that you can’t buy momentum or create it simply by decreeing it, and that there’s a boundary to what bluster accomplishes. The road he zoomed down in 2012 was toward a potentially diminished place in his party, and Goddangit, baby, he was making good time indeed." :lol:
More at:
The Oracle?s Debacle - NYTimes.com
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Oops........sorry,SLM.......you beat me to it. :smile:
Compromise and co-operation are bad things?
Bickery pettiness and fighting for control have pretty much driven the Good Ship Lollipop onto the rocks now....
getting them in in self defense ....We're the only ones preaching unity and etc.
Now watch this swing.
I suggest the left line up on the left
The right line up on the right.
Both lines within a half arms length
Then do this.
I support you in your plan Goober. When they've throttled each other and are out of the way, maybe we can actually get some stuff done!
You might have heard doom and gloom but it hasn't touched you so maybe you believe these ain't very bad times getting very much worse. I sincerely hope the truth does not hurt you much ES. 2008 big chunk gone 2010 big chunk gone 2012 nothing but the meat and bone left to go. These are very sad times.
You must be proud of her
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All that needs to happen is for the Democrats to table a compromise. To date, it appears that all they do is keep submitting the same (unchanged) agenda over and over again.
In roughly 2 months, the Bush era tax cuts expire and sequestration cuts may have a negative impact on whatever recovery the economy has done to date... Everything will come to a head then and we'll see if cooperation is at all possible