Canada's treatment of Khadr should be

[earth_as_one]

I see.. So the presumption is that the Americans are already guilty of murdering those others even before the 'murder scene' can be ****ysed by the good folks at CSI Miami?

I never said convicted... I wrote why weren't American soldiers charged with murder.

What's your excuse then?



Who determined it was a murder scene?



Nobody really knows what happened at GITMO with Khadr. Nobody knoooows.



He wasn't a child as pointed out. He had attained the age of 15... and he was over the age of 15.

15 years +1 day = over the age of 15 years.

International Law can be so inconvenient at times eh EAO?

The additional protocol calls for special treatment of young people between 15 and 18. Khadr was treated like an adult.


No one knows for certain who threw the grenade which killed Sgt Speers. A confession resulting from torture means nothing. I'm sure if the US torturers poked at Khadr's life threatening wounds more they could have got Khadr to confess he is a girl.

 

[DaSleeper]

You constantly give terrorists, Iran, islamists, Palestinians....etc... the benefit of the doubt...
You never give Canadians, Americans, Israelis the same benefit .....

You like Iran or Islam so much????...Move there hypocrite......

 

[CDNBear]

The additional protocol calls for special treatment of young people between 15 and 18. Khadr was treated like an adult.

What is 'special treatment'?

A confession resulting from torture means nothing. I'm sure if the US torturers poked at Khadr's life threatening wounds more they could have got Khadr to confess he is a girl.

Post your evidence that he was tortured.

Here's mine that he wasn't...

Omar Khadr not tortured: judge - World - CBC News

Even if you don't want to take a Judges ruling, logic would dictate that he wasn't.

 

[earth_as_one]

From your link:

..."There is no evidence that story caused the accused to make any incriminating statements then or in the future," Parrish said....One of Khadr's Canadian lawyers, Nate Whitling, took a jaundiced view of Parrish's findings. "Apparently he was listening to different evidence than the rest of us," Whitling told The Canadian Press on Friday...

Let's have a real trial regarding Khadr's actions and choices he made.

 

[TenPenny]

If he was guilty of murdering a US soldier, what about the US soldiers that murdered everyone around him? Couldn't you argue self-defense under Florida law?

 

[CDNBear]

From your link:

..."There is no evidence that story caused the accused to make any incriminating statements then or in the future," Parrish said....One of Khadr's Canadian lawyers, Nate Whitling, took a jaundiced view of Parrish's findings. "Apparently he was listening to different evidence than the rest of us," Whitling told The Canadian Press on Friday...

Let's have a real trial regarding Khadr's actions and choices he made.

LOL, ya, the opinion of a defense attorney.

Way to prove DaS' observation true, and show how logic fails you.

 

[captain morgan]

Let's have a real trial regarding Khadr's actions and choices he made.

Great!

Seeing how the 'event' occured in Afghanistan, let's get the ball rolling on this and organize with the Afghan authorities on setting up a trial.

 

[CDNBear]

Great!

Seeing how the 'event' occured in Afghanistan, let's get the ball rolling on this and organize with the Afghan authorities on setting up a trial.

I can't see EAO objecting to that.

He did after all support turning over the American Soldier accused of murdering innocent civilians. Even though the death penalty would most likely be applied.

 

[captain morgan]

I can't see EAO objecting to that.

He did after all support turning over the American Soldier accused of murdering innocent civilians. Even though the death penalty would most likely be applied.

With respect, I'll reserve judgement on your suggestion.

EAO and the rest of the usual suspects like to straddle the fence in their M.O. of screaming about how terrible the West is until it comes time to take full advantage of the more humanitarian justice system(s) and of course when it involves 'aid' to their favorite terrorist charities.

 

[CDNBear]

With respect, I'll reserve judgement on your suggestion.

EAO and the rest of the usual suspects like to straddle the fence in their M.O. of screaming about how terrible the West is until it comes time to take full advantage of the more humanitarian justice system(s) and of course when it involves 'aid' to their favorite terrorist charities.

That goes without saying.

But I think it makes perfect sense.

Not that I think Omar is guilty of murder, but he was a foreign national, fighting against Afghan national forces and NATO troops.

The Afghan gov't has a case for espionage, treason, and I'm sure murder of people other than Military personnel.

 

[earth_as_one]

I have no problems condemning the torture of a 15 year old child regardless of who does it and the nationality of the victim.

I expect Canada to maintain a standard of behavior which respects Canadian law and the Canadian Charter. It appears that many here support Canadian government determining who has Charter rights and who doesn't. So how are we better than our adversaries again? What is it that they do that we won't do?

Torture?
Assassination?
Abductions?
Killing civilians?

We can't expect that a foreign government would respect Khadr's Charter Rights, only that the Canadian government would uphold their obligations regarding the Charter rights of all Canadians, including ones most Canadians don't like...

The Supreme Court of Canada determined that the Canadian government violated Khadr's Charter rights.

Khadr's claims regarding his treatment is credible and warrant further examination. I support starting fresh with a Canadian judicial inquiry.

 

[taxslave]

Obviously the answer eludes you two. Can anyone answer the question "If this was a murder scene, then how come Americans weren't charged with murder?"

Maybe because they were not the ones that committed murder?

 

[CDNBear]

I have no problems condemning the torture of a 15 year old child regardless of who does it and the nationality of the victim.

Blah blah blah.

I expect Canada to maintain a standard of behavior which respects Canadian law and the Canadian Charter. It appears that many here support Canadian government determining who has Charter rights and who doesn't. So how are we better than our adversaries again? What is it that they do that we won't do?

Ask the SCoC, or just read your own link, it says there is no statute to force the gov't to repatriate him.

Torture?
Assassination?
Abductions?
Killing civilians?

Hey, that sounds like your terrorist buddies.

We can't expect that a foreign government would respect Khadr's Charter Rights, only that the Canadian government would uphold their obligations regarding the Charter rights of all Canadians, including ones most Canadians don't like...

As has been made painfully clear to you, they can only be enforced on Canadian soil.

The Supreme Court of Canada determined that the Canadian government violated Khadr's Charter rights.

Yep. The Canadian gov't.

Khadr's claims regarding his treatment is credible and warrant further examination.

LMAO!!!

Funny how only terrorist groups, terrorists and unrepentant admitted insurgents are credible to you.

I support starting fresh with a Canadian judicial inquiry.

Actually I would too. But as we saw with the Goldstone report, and the UN's findings on the flotilla. It won't matter.

You just ignore what you don't like, lol.

 

[taxslave]

Obviously the answer eludes you two. Can anyone answer the question "If this was a murder scene, then how come Americans weren't charged with murder?"

Maybe because they were not the ones that committed murder?

 

[TenPenny]

Maybe because they were not the ones that committed murder?

No, you're right, they didn't commit 'the' murder.

Are you saying that nobody around Khadr was killed when the American soldiers got him? He was out gardening all by himself?

 

[captain morgan]

That goes without saying.

But I think it makes perfect sense.

Not that I think Omar is guilty of murder, but he was a foreign national, fighting against Afghan national forces and NATO troops.

The Afghan gov't has a case for espionage, treason, and I'm sure murder of people other than Military personnel.

You bring up a really interesting point relative to an association with the act of murder, I'll have to think more on that.

That said however, my bigeest problem are with those that pursue the argument that it wasn't a crime because Khadr was a (child) soldier... In no way can he be considered a soldier nor can he expect the rules to have any application to him.

 

[earth_as_one]

No, you're right, they didn't commit 'the' murder.

Are you saying that nobody around Khadr was killed when the American soldiers got him? He was out gardening all by himself?

Christian Science Monitor
July 29, 2002
A Saturday raid on the village of Ab Khail, 10 miles east of this city, started as a routine disarming operation. American special forces and local Afghan fighters were searching house by house for heavy weapons.

But then heavy machine gun fire spilled over the high mud walls of a large family compound. By the time the four-and-half hour gunbattle was over, three Arabs and two Afghans were killed. Five Americans and seven Afghans were injured, two of the Americans seriously injured and evacuated to Germany yesterday, according to US military spokesmen at Bagram Air Base in Kabul.

This is the first major US engagement with suspected Al Qaeda forces since Operation Anaconda last spring,...
Firefight shows strong Al Qaeda persistence / The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com


Also, some of you appear to believe that the Canadian government can treat Canadians any way they want, provided they are outside Canada. FYI Canadian law and the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms is supposed to determine the Canadian government's response to a foreign government torturing a 15 year old Canadian citizen.

 

[EagleSmack]

No one knows for certain who threw the grenade which killed Sgt Speers. A confession resulting from torture means nothing. I'm sure if the US torturers poked at Khadr's life threatening wounds more they could have got Khadr to confess he is a girl.

Nobody knows for certain that Khadr was tortured. Khadr could say anything to save his skin. Nobody knoooows.

I have no problems condemning the torture of a 15 year old child regardless of who does it and the nationality of the victim.
.

Khadr was not a child. He had attained the age of 15 and was over 15 years of age therefore he was not a child.

International Law can be so bothersome at times eh EAO?

 

[JLM]

Khadr was not a child. He had attained the age of 15 and was over 15 years of age therefore he was not a child.

Under Canada law you are a child until you attain the age of 19.

 

[captain morgan]

Under Canada law you are a child until you attain the age of 19.

.. And some Canadian law applies in Afghanistan?