Fed up with Religions Yet?

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What it really comes down to is the fact that those pointing their fingers at "religion", are in fact, taking the little kids way out. Religion is a "thing". Religion can't DO anything. Mankind, on the other hand, is verycapable of doing all kinds of horrible things and doing those things in the name of "something". Thosebthat argue that religion is responsible for things need to give their head a shake, knock off the BS straw man arguments, and put the blame where it belongs.

Ok then. I blame those in the human race gullible enough to listen to idiots who claim there is some supreme being controlling the universe and go out killing those that don't believe their version of the 'Guy in the Sky'.
 

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Ok then. I blame those in the human race gullible enough to listen to idiots who claim there is some supreme being controlling the universe and go out killing those that don't believe their version of the 'Guy in the Sky'.

And in today's world what would that percentage be of those that have religious belief and the power to enact this carnage.
 

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A couple of tricks to keep the JWs away from your door....

1) go to red cross and get a 'blood donor' sticker. Put that on your door & you shouldn't get a knock.
2) answer door holding copy of Torah and wearing a yamulke. This usually makes them leave without saying a word.

A goat head on a stake by the door works just as well too. :twisted:
 

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Ok then. I blame those in the human race gullible enough to listen to idiots who claim there is some supreme being controlling the universe and go out killing those that don't believe their version of the 'Guy in the Sky'.



I believe in this being but have no desire to go out andkill anyone. As a matter of fact, unlike the majority of atheists I know, I follow Christs teachings and the commandment that says thou shalt not kill.
 

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If somebody pushes your buttons, you have to remember they're YOUR buttons, and it's your responsibility to keep them where people can't push them.

In other words, if you let someone antagonize you, it's YOUR fault.

Nice in practice & in a perfect world... and you can tell religious extremists this all you want, but Reality proves that this doesn't work most times.

You calling them a backwards, stone-aged, ignorant nut bag who should keep their temper in check won't stop them from dragging you from the back of their pick-up down a dirt road, or taking a knife to your neck & filleting you.
 

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I believe in this being but have no desire to go out andkill anyone. As a matter of fact, unlike the majority of atheists I know, I follow Christs teachings and the commandment that says thou shalt not kill.

You might want to remind your Christian brothers of that one because plenty seem to have forgotten it.
 

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Ok then. I blame those in the human race gullible enough to listen to idiots who claim there is some supreme being controlling the universe and go out killing those that don't believe their version of the 'Guy in the Sky'.

Again I will ask the percentage of these so called Christians compared to the total number of Christians in the world.

I don't know the percentage. But please do note I did not mention any specific religion in the first post because they all do it.
 

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What it really comes down to is the fact that those pointing their fingers at "religion", are in fact, taking the little kids way out. Religion is a "thing". Religion can't DO anything. Mankind, on the other hand, is verycapable of doing all kinds of horrible things and doing those things in the name of "something". Thosebthat argue that religion is responsible for things need to give their head a shake, knock off the BS straw man arguments, and put the blame where it belongs.

Nice in theory as well.... similar to how people keep saying to not blame guns for killing people but those who use them..... so don't blame the religions, but blame the extremists who use that religion to cause crap in our world/lives....

Great, that still doesn't help anything and people will still use those things for whatever they please at the expense of other fellow human beings unless otherwise regulated and controlled to a degree.

So you can go at it like the US way of looking at guns, which is to do nothing and let the flow of firearms and those easily getting them go unobstructed.... or you can look at it like how most of the rest of the world deals with them and regulated & control the guns and those who use them.

The same should be applied to religions.... more than what's being done today.

Do you have a link- proof that WW2 was fought over the violence that Jews endured prior or after 01 Sept 1939.

Hitler's Christianity
Hitler's Christianity

To deny the influence of Christianity on Hitler and its role in World War II, means that you must ignore history and forever bar yourself from understanding the source of German anti-Semitism and how the WWII atrocities occurred.

By using historical evidence of Hitler's and his henchmen's own words, this section aims to show how mixing religion with politics can cause conflicts, not only against religion but against government and its people. This site, in no way, condones Nazism, Neo-Nazism, fascist governments, or anti-Semitism, but instead, warns against them......

Have a read.... if there is something in there that you think is un-true... point it out and refute it.

One of many online references you can find.

Again, if any of this is "News to Millions" than we've got a lot of ignorant people in the world.
 

PoliticalNick

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Nice in theory as well.... similar to how people keep saying to not blame guns for killing people but those who use them..... so don't blame the religions, but blame the extremists who use that religion to cause crap in our world/lives....

Great, that still doesn't help anything and people will still use those things for whatever they please at the expense of other fellow human beings unless otherwise regulated and controlled to a degree.

So you can go at it like the US way of looking at guns, which is to do nothing and let the flow of firearms and those easily getting them go unobstructed.... or you can look at it like how most of the rest of the world deals with them and regulated & control the guns and those who use them.

The same should be applied to religions.... more than what's being done today.

I basically despise religion, all of them, but we need less regulation in our lives....not more.
 

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Don't forget to mention all the Muslim mosques that have been attacked in the USA with nary a word from the controlled right wing media:

Crime - Salon.com

Attacks on US mosques prompt Muslim security concerns - U.S. News

Absolutely hilarious.

The Left is soooo desperate to portray Muslims as victims that they immediately decided that the idiot that went on a shooting spree in a Sikh Temple thought he was attacking Muslims. To my knowledge, this is absolutely unsupported by the facts.

Besides that, there was one (that ONE SINGLE) caser of a mosque burned down, a case of attempted arson, a shot fired at a mosque with a PELLET GUN, and a mosque sprayed with a paintball gun.......

Nobody injured.

Nobody dead.

Meanwhile........in Nigeria

BBC News - Nigeria church bombed in Bauchi, Boko Haram flashpoint
 

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Ok, fair enough. I agree with you in saying that maybe the Christian group has taken ownership of something that was not necessarily theirs in the first place. Replace it then with Orthodox Jewish ethics then. Because that is where the Ten Commandments originated from, and it is not really arguable that they provided the foundation on which the founding documents were built. (The book of Deuteronomy, more specifically)
Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

The ten commandments were lifted wholesale from the older one-hundred twenty-or so Egyptian commandments. And those are written in extant stone however.
 

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Praxius,

Hitler's religious views:
Quote:
Adolf Hitler was raised by a Christian Catholic father and a devout Catholic mother; he ceased to participate in the sacraments after childhood. In his book Mein Kampf and in public speeches he often made statements that affirmed a belief in Christianity....



"In killing Jews, I am doing God's work ... I am and will always be a Catholic" ~ Adolf Hitler

Absolutely hilarious.

The Left is soooo desperate to portray Muslims as victims that they immediately decided that the idiot that went on a shooting spree in a Sikh Temple thought he was attacking Muslims. To my knowledge, this is absolutely unsupported by the facts.

Besides that, there was one (that ONE SINGLE) caser of a mosque burned down, a case of attempted arson, a shot fired at a mosque with a PELLET GUN, and a mosque sprayed with a paintball gun.......

Nobody injured.

Nobody dead.

Meanwhile........in Nigeria

BBC News - Nigeria church bombed in Bauchi, Boko Haram flashpoint


That's a pathetic and disappointing reply. First, if you measure it all by injuries and deaths then you should consider the actions of your hero Bush when he attacked Iraq and Afghanistan. Hundreds of thousands are dead or injured so that should meet your standard here.

As for the attack on the Sikh temple, the attacker had known ties to white supremacist groups and they target people of any and all groups which they feel are not American. Sikhs themselves said they have been mistaken for Muslims and attacked for this error:


Jasminder Kaur: Sikh Americans: Feeling Alienated and Targeted In America
 

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Let's also keep in mind that the majority of racial attacks and discrimination are usually based on a premise that those being attacked are a lesser human being than the attacker.

That the race of the attacker is the "Pure" race or "Superior"

And where do they derive this mentality from?

Supremacism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Religion:

Some academics and writers have alleged Christian supremacism as a motivation for the Crusades to the “Holy Land,” as well as for crusades against Muslims and pagans throughout Europe. The Atlantic slave trade has been attributed in part to it as well. The Ku Klux Klan has been described as a Christian, as well as a white, supremacist group. So are many white supremacist groups in the United States today. President George W. Bush’s support for fundamentalist Christianity has been linked to his having a “Christian supremacist vision” in his policies in the Middle East.

Some academics and writers have alleged Muslim or Islamic supremacism. The Qur'an and other Islamic documents always speak of tolerant and protective beliefs which have been misused, misquoted and misinterpreted by supremacists and anti Islamic elements. Specific examples of how supremacists have exploited the name of Islam includes Muslim participation in the African slave trade, the early 20th century pan-Islamism promoted by Abdul Hamid II, the jizya and rules of marriage in Muslim countries being imposed on non-Muslims, the majority Muslim interpretations of the rules of pluralism in Malaysia, and "defensive" supremacism practised by some Muslim immigrants in Europe. Other writers posit a “poisonous, violent, Islamic supremacist creed” and that supremacism is inherent in a few Muslims as it is in all other religions as Supremacist emotion is human. Bruce Bawer alleges that Saudi Arabian princes have funded institutions to paint accusations of Islamic supremacism as “Islamophobic lies.” -†Needs to be verfied in what context this has been quoted.

Some academics and writers allege Jewish supremacism, often in relation to Israel and Zionism. Author Minna Rozen describes the 17th century Jews of Jerusalems’ view of themselves as an elite group among Jews as supremacism. Ilan Pappé writes that the First Aliyah to Israel "established a society based on Jewish supremacy." Joseph Massad holds that "Jewish supremacism" always has been a "dominating principle" of religious and secular Zionism. The Anti-Defamation League condemns as "antisemitic" writings about “Jewish Supremacism” by authors David Duke and Kevin B. MacDonald.

Zoroastrianism, an early monotheistic faith that influenced Judaism, Christianity and Islam, was originated among a people who called themselves Aryans, including Persians. Friedrich Nietzsche's writings like Thus Spoke Zarathustra (another name for Zoroaster) were interpreted by Nazis as being a foundation for their ideas of the Aryan superman and white supremacism. Nazis also appropriated the symbol of the faravahar of Zoroastrianism."
 

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"In killing Jews, I am doing God's work ... I am and will always be a Catholic" ~ Adolf Hitler




That's a pathetic and disappointing reply. First, if you measure it all by injuries and deaths then you should consider the actions of your hero Bush when he attacked Iraq and Afghanistan. Hundreds of thousands are dead or injured so that should meet your standard here.

As for the attack on the Sikh temple, the attacker had known ties to white supremacist groups and they target people of any and all groups which they feel are not American. Sikhs themselves said they have been mistaken for Muslims and attacked for this error:


Jasminder Kaur: Sikh Americans: Feeling Alienated and Targeted In America

FAIL on the attempted deflection.

And FAIL on the Sikh thing....:)

And Naziism was Pagan, not Christian.

 

PoliticalNick

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Somehow I just can't imagine the Aryan Brotherhood dancing around a pentagram of fire sacrificing a goat the the Earth Mother...:p