Fed up with Islam Yet???

[55Mercury]

Christians are a lot like women, in the sense that they're their own worst enemy.

They do judge each other, and without such judgement being couched in love.

The majority of Christians wouldn't consider me a Christian - hell, some don't even consider Catholics as "Christian" (wtf is up with that?). Apparently believing Jesus is the example we should all try to live by (not saying I can manage that feat) is not good enough to be considered a Christian by them, you also have to buy the dogma that he is God, or there's no place for you in heaven.

 

[CDNBear]

Oh, nice defence....

It wasn't a defence, it was pointing out a huge flaw in your logic.

Fail.

 

[petros]

The majority of Christians wouldn't consider me a Christian - hell, some don't even consider Catholics as "Christian" (wtf is up with that?)..

The tambourine rattling evangelicals don't realize these is no Christianity without Catholicism.
If you take the Catholic Bible and structure of worship away from them all they have left is the tambourine.

 

[Praxius]

It wasn't a defence, it was pointing out a huge flaw in your logic.

Fail.

Zero flaw present... Just because both religions commit different acts of violence and barbarism over ignorant and stone age beliefs, that doesn't make one better than the other.

You're just more comfortable around what the Christians have been doing because it's all become a part of our society to the point where we can trivialize these violent incidences as being comitted by isolated nut bags who don't represent the rest of the group.

But them Muslim folk must all be the same, regardless if they're moderate or extremist..... They got militant organizations based around their religious beliefs.

Yet there've been plenty of Christian militant groups.in the last few years that have been found out and shut down.... The odd thing is that most weren't even created to go after the other religious extremists.... They were created to attack their own government and their own people so they can make their country a truly christian one, so that later they can properly attack those other extremists.

Split hairs all you want.... You can try and say this hair is blonde and that one is grey.... But they're both festering with the same lice.

Give either religion an inch and they'll take a mile.

The only difference is that Islam has flourished in areas of the world where it already had a foothold & lax governments were in place to control them.

If the same was present in Western societies where Christianity is more dominate, we'd be right back to where we were with witch burnings and public executions of those who dare to be different.

In fact, governments cracking down on religions in our western societies is why Christianity doesn't seem as bad as it used to be. But the more lee way they are given again, the more they get to bring their dogma into our schools, the more they will push back into the government once again.... And then we'll be right back at the begininng.

Christianity never evolved or gotten better from it's past, just as Islam hasn't. Christianity just got more control thrown on top of them..... Throw Christianity into some backwards, third world country with a crap government and you'd have Christians doing the same thing.

Israel isn't too far off from it's neighbours and forces every one of its citizens to serve in their war machine.... But that's venturing a bit too far off target perhaps.

 

[CDNBear]

Zero flaw present...

Really?

Is it irony or ineptitude that caused you to follow that statement with more flawed logic...

Just because both religions commit different acts of violence and barbarism over ignorant and stone age beliefs, that doesn't make one better than the other.

How about both have committed different acts of violence and barbarism, in different centuries.

BTW: I ignore the bulk of your posts because I have a low tolerance for stupid.

 

[Praxius]

Really?

Is it irony or ineptitude that caused you to follow that statement with more flawed logic...

How about both have committed different acts of violence and barbarism, in different centuries.

BTW: I ignore the bulk of your posts because I have a low tolerance for stupid.

and a lack of ability to debate beyond trivial little quips and troll responses apparently.

No surprise there.

Then again, your own admission that you don't read other people's posts in a debate goes hand in hand with your piss weak ability to refute anything and resort to calling people stupid.

Oh wait, you didn't call me stupid out right cuz that might get you in trouble with the mods for personally insulting another member, so instead you just make a generalize comment that could be taken as either my posts being stupid or me being stupid, thus allowing you lee way to keep trolling while not actually doing anything for the debate.

How clever of you... You're so witty and smart.

Still haven't refuted anything I have said.... Speaking of stupid. But that has always been your tactic in these forums... You post your argument, you pat yourself on the back and take your compliments from your backwards gun totting christian friends, but the moment anybody disagrees with you or actually has a better argument than you, you just fall back to your trolling and acting like you accomplished something.

I've already made my point in this ever so pointless thread, and I don't expect anything more from you, so I'll move on to something else a bit more entertaining & leave you alone with your bum buddies as you circle jerk one another over your hatred of those different from you.

 

[tay]

Really?

Is it irony or ineptitude that caused you to follow that statement with more flawed logic...

How about both have committed different acts of violence and barbarism, in different centuries.

BTW: I ignore the bulk of your posts because I have a low tolerance for stupid.

barbarism

1. An act, trait, or custom characterized by ignorance or crudity.

2. The use of words, forms, or expressions considered incorrect or unacceptable.


is not relagated to physicall violence and is still praticed by most of the religious organizations.

The issue is they (muslims), along with every other religion, have their taboo 'places' and this Fundy christian guy 'went there' to provoke them

The bottom line is you have one stone age belief group (christians) making a perverted movie about the other stone age belief group (muslims) and the fundumentalists from the Muslim group are not amused.

Of course on the cable we see anyone who will say anything outrageous about the other group getting face time.

I suggest we put all the followers of all the various groups in one place and annilhilate them ...............But that's just me.



Everybody sing along...............



XTC-Dear God Lyrics - YouTube

 

[CDNBear]

and a lack of ability to debate beyond trivial little quips and troll responses apparently.

What an accurate descriptor of your posts, although you forgot stupid.

Then again, your own admission that you don't read other people's posts in a debate goes hand in hand with your piss weak ability to refute anything and resort to calling people stupid.

I didn't say I didn't read them.

How else would I know it was stupid?

Oh wait, you didn't call me stupid out right cuz that might get you in trouble with the mods for personally insulting another member, so instead you just make a generalize comment that could be taken as either my posts being stupid or me being stupid, thus allowing you lee way to keep trolling while not actually doing anything for the debate.

As far as I can tell, you wouldn't write stupid posts, if you weren't.

I have no problem breaking the rules. If you were smart, you'd know that by now, lol.

How clever of you... You're so witty and smart.

I know, thanks.

Still haven't refuted anything I have said....

I didn't set out to.

I merely pointed out the huge flaw in your logic.

You're welcome btw. A smart person would have just thanked me for that and grown from the lesson.

I've already made my point in this ever so pointless thread, and I don't expect anything more from you, so I'll move on to something else a bit more entertaining & leave you alone with your bum buddies as you circle jerk one another over your hatred of those different from you.

LOL, I love the irony and hypocrisy.

The bottom line is you have one stone age belief group (christians) making a perverted movie about the other stone age belief group (muslims) and the fundumentalists from the Muslim group are not amused.

So?

I suggest we put all the followers of all the various groups in one place and annilhilate them ...............But that's just me.

Ahhh yes, the idea of wholesale murder for a difference of opinion.

How very Muslim of you.

 

[Colpy]

barbarism

1. An act, trait, or custom characterized by ignorance or crudity.

2. The use of words, forms, or expressions considered incorrect or unacceptable.


is not relagated to physicall violence and is still praticed by most of the religious organizations.

The issue is they (muslims), along with every other religion, have their taboo 'places' and this Fundy christian guy 'went there' to provoke them

The bottom line is you have one stone age belief group (christians) making a perverted movie about the other stone age belief group (muslims) and the fundumentalists from the Muslim group are not amused.

Of course on the cable we see anyone who will say anything outrageous about the other group getting face time.

I suggest we put all the followers of all the various groups in one place and annilhilate them ...............But that's just me.



Everybody sing along...............



XTC-Dear God Lyrics - YouTube

HOW MANY DIED????

You people are complete ****ing idiots.

Christianity has been the wellspring of western freedom and democracy.

Christianity is assaulted in the most insulting ways constantly.........and there are protest on occasion....in which nobody dies, no property is destroyed, no ambassadors murdered.

Christianity is a religion of peace, and tolerance. The man set up as an example in Christianity was essentially non-violent.

Islam has been the wellspring of medieval murder, the absolute subjugation and torturous mutilation of women, the sexualization of children, and the subjugation of minorities into the 21st century.

Mohammed is to be held up as an example, he was a murderer, a rapist, a pedophile, and a war monger.

What the hell do you expect??

And it takes a certain kind of fool to equate the two.

So here is the real difference:

Those who kill in the name of Jesus (and there have been lots, throughout history) are not Christians....as their acts fly in the face of the basic philosophy of Christianity. They do not kill, therefore, for Christ, but for their own earthly ambitions.

They are not Christian.

Those who kill for Islam are following both the instructions of the Prophet, and his example.

They are the truest of Muslims.

Islam is evil in itself.

To equate the two is self-delusion in the extreme.

 

[CDNBear]

They are the truest of Muslims.

Or as EAO put it...

(like good Mormons or Muslims)

 

[55Mercury]

Nothing in Colpy's last post can be overstated.

Hat's off to you, Colpy!

 

[gore0bsessed]

Nothing in Colpy's last post can be overstated.

Hat's off to you, Colpy!

not sure if serious

 

[CDNBear]

+

not sure if serious

Know you're serious and laughs at you.

 

[Locutus]

Al Qaeda in Yemen urges Muslims to kill U.S. diplomats over film

DUBAI (Reuters) - The Yemen-based branch of al Qaeda urged Muslims to step up protests and kill more U.S. diplomats in Muslim countries after a U.S.-made film mocking the Prophet Mohammad which it said was another chapter in the "crusader wars" against Islam.

"Whoever comes across America's ambassadors or emissaries should follow the example of Omar al-Mukhtar's descendants (Libyans), who killed the American ambassador," the group said, referring to Tuesday's attack on the U.S. consulate in the Libyan city of Benghazi.

"Let the step of kicking out the embassies be a step towards liberating Muslim countries from the American hegemony," a statement posted on an Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) website on Saturday said.

Fury about the film swept across the Middle East after Friday prayers, with protesters attacking U.S. embassies and in protests that killed at least seven people and prompted Washington to send troops to bolster security at its missions.

"The film published in America which insults our Prophet Mohammad, peace be upon him, comes as part of the continuing crusader wars against Islam," AQAP's statement said, referring to European wars in the region some 1,000 years ago.


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Al Qaeda in Yemen urges Muslims to kill U.S. diplomats over film - Yahoo! News




Peace, brother.

 

[L Gilbert]

You guys thought I was brutally honest with how i felt before? Now you'll get to see me be very open with what i think, with having no cigarettes, no alcohol, no weed, and no sex since my son was born

Ah, sexual frustration. That explains a lot.

Relax, I'm just ribbin ya.

I'm not sure that there is anything written down in Islam that says "forgive thine enemies". :smile:

http://rafiudeen1990.webs.com/forgiveness.htm

Um, there's a really cool clock that follows yer pointer around in that url.

 

[JLM]

Ah, sexual frustration. That explains a lot.

Relax, I'm just ribbin ya.

[URL="http://rafiudeen1990.webs.com/forgiveness.htm"]http://rafiudeen1990.webs.com/forgiveness.htm[/URL]

OK, perhaps they don't all obey it!

 

[L Gilbert]

Christianity has been the wellspring of western freedom and democracy.

After a millennium and a half of the same sort of barbarism that Islam experiences at the hands of the relative few claiming to belong to the religion, yeah.

Christianity is a religion of peace, and tolerance.

Religions are what people make of them. Islam is no different than Christianity, in that regard. Most Moslems are peaceful, as are most Christians.

Islam has been the wellspring of medieval murder, the absolute subjugation and torturous mutilation of women, the sexualization of children, and the subjugation of minorities

Just like Christianity.

into the 21st century.

Yup. The religion is some 600 years younger than Christianity, too. And I think it's growing out of the oppression and repression faster than Christianity did.

Mohammed is to be held up as an example, he was a murderer, a rapist, a pedophile, and a war monger.

What the hell do you expect??.

Right. Mohammed was only a prophet; just a human being. Jesus was a god.

And it takes a certain kind of fool to equate the two

And it takes an even bigger fool to arrive at the same opinions as you do.

So here is the real difference:

According to you.

Those who kill in the name of Jesus (and there have been lots, throughout history) are not Christians....as their acts fly in the face of the basic philosophy of Christianity. They do not kill, therefore, for Christ, but for their own earthly ambitions.

They are not Christian.

Those who kill for Islam are following both the instructions of the Prophet, and his example.

Nope. They've just been misled by that human being they call a prophet.

They are the truest of Muslims.

Flat out bullsh|t. Besides, Jesus said hate the sin not the sinner. Some f'n Christian you are.

Islam is evil in itself.

Also, flat out bullsh|t.

To equate the two is self-delusion in the extreme.

Your opinion. Big f'n deal.

So what do you say about people that promote hatred

It sure is easy to judge others, ain't it?
It's easy for an adult to condemn kids who don't think and act like them.

OK, perhaps they don't all obey it!

Nope. Do all Christians obey all Christianities' rules n regs? All Buddhists? All Taoists? All Hindus?

 

[Colpy]

After a millennium and a half of the same sort of barbarism that Islam experiences at the hands of the relative few claiming to belong to the religion, yeah.

Religions are what people make of them. Islam is no different than Christianity, in that regard. Most Moslems are peaceful, as are most Christians.

Just like Christianity. Yup. The religion is some 600 years younger than Christianity, too. And I think it's growing out of the oppression and repression faster than Christianity did.



Right. Mohammed was only a prophet; just a human being. Jesus was a god.

And it takes an even bigger fool to arrive at the same opinions as you do.

According to you.

Nope. They've just been misled by that human being they call a prophet.

Flat out bullsh|t. Besides, Jesus said hate the sin not the sinner. Some f'n Christian you are.

Also, flat out bullsh|t.

Your opinion. Big f'n deal.

So what do you say about people that promote hatred

It sure is easy to judge others, ain't it?
It's easy for an adult to condemn kids who don't think and act like them.

Nope. Do all Christians obey all Christianities' rules n regs? All Buddhists? All Taoists? All Hindus?

When you are flying planes into buildings, blowing yourself up in market places, throwing acid in the faces of little girls in school, forcing your women into personal tents after you mutilate their genitals, stoning rape victims, hanging gays, refusing all authority except the Koran, preaching genocide, kidnaping Christian girls and forcing them into conversion and marriage, driving out all other religions, when tyour holy book exhorts you to warfare, your prophet is a child rapist, then you are beyond reformation.

Islam was far ahead of Christianity 800 years ago, when it considered itself apart from politics.

Since the imams began instructing the rulers in the 13th century, Islam has done nothing but slide backwards.

Christianity moves forward, Islam moves backward.

You are blind.

The more you know about Islam, the more it becomes reprehensible.

 

[L Gilbert]

When you are flying planes into buildings, blowing yourself up in market places, throwing acid in the faces of little girls in school, forcing your women into personal tents after you mutilate their genitals, stoning rape victims, hanging gays, refusing all authority except the Koran, preaching genocide, kidnaping Christian girls and forcing them into conversion and marriage, driving out all other religions, when tyour holy book exhorts you to warfare, your prophet is a child rapist, then you are beyond reformation.

Just like some Christians, yep.

Islam was far ahead of Christianity 800 years ago, when it considered itself apart from politics.

Since the imams began instructing the rulers in the 13th century, Islam has done nothing but slide backwards.

And yet you blame the religion and not the idiots in the religion?

Christianity moves forward, Islam moves backward.

Bullsh|t. Islam is evolving. Like I said, most Moslems are peaceful and a lot of them are bucking the concepts of their prophet.

You are blind.

That's your foolish opinion.
"Talk sense to a fool, and he calls you a fool" - Euripides.

The more you know about Islam, the more it becomes reprehensible.

Nope. The more I know about Islam or Christianity, the more I realise that some of the people in those religions are nuts that miss the message.

 

[tay]

Where would we be if the Christian fundies had free reign ? Back in the time of the inquisition.

The fundies aren't about Democracy either. Women are second class while the fetus is to be hailed but once born, that child is on it's own.

If you're the parent of young or teenaged kids, you're probably concerned about bullying. It's one of those unpleasant facts of life that just about everyone who has children must eventually confront.

Since children spend much of their time in school, these institutions are the focal point for anti-bullying efforts. Thankfully, the national conversation over this issue has become a lot more serious in recent years, and many schools have adopted anti-bullying policies.

This has alarmed the Religious Right. Groups like Focus on the Family (FOF) and the Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) are worried that fundamentalist Christian young people in public schools won't be able to properly harass gays, atheists and non-Christians if anti-bullying policies spread. So they've more or less formed a pro-bullying caucus designed to shoot down as many of the policies as possible.

A new FOF-ADF salvo takes the form of a document called the "Anti-Bullying Policy Yardstick," which purports to help public school officials formulate policies that respect the rights of Christian students. In reality, FOF and the ADF are seeking to gut anti-bullying policies by making them utterly ineffective.

And remember, this is being done in the name of the Christian faith. I'm very familiar with the "faith-based" initiative, but faith-based bullying is something new entirely. I don't claim to be a theologian, but I doubt Jesus would approve.

| Equal Rights For Bullies: Religious Right Comes To The Defense Of `Faith-Based' Harassment