Israeli court rejects US activist's family lawsuit

[earth_as_one]

In this thread ES posted a reference to an article written Lee Kaplan who also runs an organization called "Stop the ISM" without pointing out the author's agenda to "Stop the ISM". IMO and in the opinion of the ISM, Kaplan's article was deliberately misleading propaganda which does not accurately portray what the ISM is or what they do. In response I posted the ISM's version of events for fairness and why I found their version of events more plausible. I explained why I believed Kaplan is a subjective and unreliable source of information regarding the ISM. If it wasn't for my posts I doubt many people here would have even known that Kaplan runs the "Stop the ISM" organization and just accepted his allegations about the ISM, without knowing the ISM's version of events.

you're welcome.

 

[Goober]

In this thread ES posted a reference to an article written Lee Kaplan who also runs an organization called "Stop the ISM" without pointing out the author's agenda to "Stop the ISM". IMO and in the opinion of the ISM, Kaplan's article was deliberately misleading propaganda which does not accurately portray what the ISM is or what they do. In response I posted the ISM's version of events for fairness and why I found their version of events more plausible. I explained why I believed Kaplan is a subjective and unreliable source of information regarding the ISM. If it wasn't for my posts I doubt many people here would have even known that Kaplan runs the "Stop the ISM" organization and just accepted his allegations about the ISM, without knowing the ISM's version of events.

you're welcome.

How about starting a thread- When a Member is caught lying- they take a self imposed Ban for 3 days the first time- 7 days the second time - 2 weeks, then 4 weeks, and increases by 2 weeks each time.

This would also include quoting Members out of context.

I even have an impartial member who I would recommend. That Member would make the ruling. No arguing - the member would read the posts and make their own conclusion. Decision is final- No PM`s back and forth- No appeals- decision made.

Now the self imposed ban applies to all threads. not just that one.

Game On or what Bucky. Got the balls and character to take up the challenge.

 

[CDNBear]

In response I posted the ISM's version of events for fairness and why I found their version of events more plausible.

You always find the terrorists, terrorist supporters and Islamofascists more truthier.

It's one of the key pieces of evidence that supports the accurate observations I've made about your goals here.

Which are...

To spread hate.
To spread propaganda.
To demonize Israel.
To de-legitimize Israel.

 

[Goober]

In this thread ES posted a reference to an article written Lee Kaplan who also runs an organization called "Stop the ISM" without pointing out the author's agenda to "Stop the ISM". IMO and in the opinion of the ISM, Kaplan's article was deliberately misleading propaganda which does not accurately portray what the ISM is or what they do. In response I posted the ISM's version of events for fairness and why I found their version of events more plausible. I explained why I believed Kaplan is a subjective and unreliable source of information regarding the ISM. If it wasn't for my posts I doubt many people here would have even known that Kaplan runs the "Stop the ISM" organization and just accepted his allegations about the ISM, without knowing the ISM's version of events.

you're welcome.

I made an offer - it is fair - come back with a counter offer.

Next - When you work with a known Terror Organization that supports the killing of children, adults, civilians and the destruction of a State you cannot state I only support these parts - I only support their so called charity work- you support the Organization- All of it. But you have a problem with that. I do not.It all comes down to morals.
Your type was seen in Nuremberg- I was only following orders - I was a good German who did not support the Nazis. But you do not have the defense of not knowing - so you are a scumbag.

 

[taxslave]

If the flotilla brought food and medicine,why intercept them,it looks a lot like how it was in east germany when the commies built the wall,and controled how much their former enemies would get.

Unless the flotilla was sopped and searched how would we know it only carried food and medicine. Would you take the word of terrorist supporters that they were not running guns? There are other channels to get medicine and food into Palistine without deliberately challenging the IDF.

 

[Goober]

In this thread ES posted a reference to an article written Lee Kaplan who also runs an organization called "Stop the ISM" without pointing out the author's agenda to "Stop the ISM". IMO and in the opinion of the ISM, Kaplan's article was deliberately misleading propaganda which does not accurately portray what the ISM is or what they do. In response I posted the ISM's version of events for fairness and why I found their version of events more plausible. I explained why I believed Kaplan is a subjective and unreliable source of information regarding the ISM. If it wasn't for my posts I doubt many people here would have even known that Kaplan runs the "Stop the ISM" organization and just accepted his allegations about the ISM, without knowing the ISM's version of events.

you're welcome.

How about starting a thread- When a Member is caught lying- they take a self imposed Ban for 3 days the first time- 7 days the second time - 2 weeks, then 4 weeks, and increases by 2 weeks each time.

This would also include quoting Members out of context.

I even have an impartial member who I would recommend. That Member would make the ruling. No arguing - the member would read the posts and make their own conclusion. Decision is final- No PM`s back and forth- No appeals- decision made.

Now the self imposed ban applies to all threads. not just that one.

Game On or what Bucky. Got the balls and character to take up the challenge.

 

[darkbeaver]

I thought that was ice for a second. This isn't the climate change thread though.
There are too many threads about Israel. Several middle eastern nations have offered the fix. I think any realistic expectations about cessation of interest in Israel depends entirely on Israel. Despite the fine efforts of the states proponents to curtail objective discussion Israel remains an interesting and popular subject to many many CC readers. I,m sure everyone does their best to maintain healthy exchanges of ideas about how the situation might be improved..

How about starting a thread- When a Member is caught lying- they take a self imposed Ban for 3 days the first time- 7 days the second time - 2 weeks, then 4 weeks, and increases by 2 weeks each time.

This would also include quoting Members out of context.

I even have an impartial member who I would recommend. That Member would make the ruling. No arguing - the member would read the posts and make their own conclusion. Decision is final- No PM`s back and forth- No appeals- decision made.

Now the self imposed ban applies to all threads. not just that one.

Game On or what Bucky. Got the balls and character to take up the challenge.

Your member is impartial.hahahahahah

 

[lone wolf]

In case anyone forgot, the topic of this thread was Rachel Corrie, who was a member of the ISM when she was crushed by an Israeli tank as it attempted to demolish...

It was a bulldozer. Stick with the script, please....

...tanks can stand off and demolish.

 

[MapleDog]

It was a bulldozer. Stick with the script, please....

...tanks can stand off and demolish.

Online there are pics of what happen when a tank run over someone.

 

[earth_as_one]

I don't think you understand what's going on. Zionists intend to cleanse the holy lands of non-Jews. They call their illegal displacement of non-Jews "redeeming" the land. Zionists have successfully "redeemed" most of the holy lands under their control.

The ISM uses non-violent resistance to impede these Zionist war crimes and crimes against humanity, which is why Zionists like Lee Kaplan oppose them.


ISRAEL & PALESTINE: THE MAPS TELL THE TRUE STORY

The truth is that far from being the poor victim it likes to portray itself as, Israel is in fact the most aggressive and belligerent nation in the region, having invaded pretty much everyone it shares a border with.
The following maps show just who is wiping who off of the map!​

The above map is Israel as it was first created by UN declaration in 1947. The blue portion is Israel, the rest is all Arab lands. Note that Jerusalem was completely within Arab lands and Israel was much smaller than it is today. Note also that there is NO Israeli presence inside the area surrounding Jerusalem. No settlements, certainly no IDF. The red square outlines the approximate region shown in the map to the right. ​

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This is Israel as it is today. Note that the western border of Palestine has been pushed up to Jerusalem. Such a land grab is NOT the result of a defensive act, but of an invasion to bring Jerusalem under Israeli control, even though Jerusalem was not originally part of Israel. The maps clearly tell the story of an Israel conquering lands which do not belong to it. Since Sharon took office, Israel has built more illegal Jewish Settlements on Palestinian land. Note on the above map that the majority of the lands which were originally Arab lands when Israel was created, are now under complete (dark blue) or partial (green) Israeli control. Only the black areas remain to the Palestinians, and those are shrinking by the minute.

How does a defensive action result in the total conquest of someone else's lands? The answer is that it does not. Israel is the aggressor. The maps of Israel then and now prove it. ​

THE MAPS TELL THE TRUE STORY

 

[EagleSmack]

Wow... EAO put his Joo Hating Hat on this morning for sure!

Feeling a little extra anti-semetic this morning EAO?

I don't think you understand what's going on. Zionists intend to cleanse the holy lands of non-Jews. They call their illegal displacement of non-Jews "redeeming" the land. Zionists have successfully "redeemed" most of the holy lands under their control.

Wow... that hate is boiling in you! No wonder why you support such hate groups like the ISM.

The ISM uses non-violent resistance to impede these Zionist war crimes and crimes against humanity, which is why Zionists like Lee Kaplan oppose them.

Are AK-47's part of the non-violent resistance of the ISM?

Because here is a photo of armed members of the ISM.

 

[earth_as_one]

Another load of BS from ES. I only oppose violent Zionist ethnic cleansing, not Jews or Judaism. I don't support Zionism in its current form because it is violent, unfair and oppressive.

Zionism: A violent colonial racist movement, which seeks to create a pure Jewish state through injustice, oppression and the commission of war crimes and crimes against humanity against the holy land's non-Jewish indigenous people.

Judaism: A religion, philosophy and way of life of the Jewish people. A monotheistic religion originating in the Hebrew Bible (also known as the Tanakh) and explored in later texts such as the Talmud.

Jew: An ethnic/religious group which includes those born Jewish and converts to Judaism.

Zionism is not Judaism. A Zionist is anyone who supports Zionism.

Not all Zionists are Jews. Not all Jews are Zionists.

According to True Torah Jews Against Zionism:

Zionists Do Not Represent Jews

From the inception of the Zionist State and particularly in recent times, the impression has been created in the World that there is some connection between the State, which falsely calls itself Israel, and the Jewish people as a whole. Therefore, we who continue to uphold the never-changing tradition of the Jewish people find it proper to again clarify the following points:

A Jew is one who remains faithful to the laws of the Jewish religion, that is, the Holy Torah and its commandments.

The Jewish people became a people before they had their own land, and continued to exist as a people also after they went Into exile, because our very people hood is based exclusively on the Torah.

The Holy Torah

The Holy Land was given to the Jewish people on the condition that they observe the Torah and its commandments. When they failed to do this, their sovereignty over the land was taken from them, and they went into exile. From that time, we are prohibited by the Torah with a very grave prohibition to establish a Jewish independent sovereignty in the Holy Land or anywhere throughout the world. Rather, we are obligated to be loyal to the nations under whose protection we dwell.

This situation has existed for close to 2000 years when the Jewish people were dispersed throughout all corners of the world. During this time, the Jews always remained faithful to the country in which they lived.

The Jewish people are grateful to all those merciful nations which have allowed them to observe Torah and the commandments undisturbed.
Zionists Do Not Represent Jews

Since I support "Freedom of Religion", I also support Judaism and the right of Jews to observe their faith. I support Jewish immigration to Canada. I support the criminal prosecution of anyone who discriminates against Jews and promotes hatred against Jews.

I don't even oppose the idea of Zionism. I oppose the violence, oppression, injustice, war crimes and crimes against humanity which are a direct result of modern Zionism, not Zionism itself. I would support Zionism if it was a peaceful movement.

 

[DaSleeper]

Another load of BS from ES. I only oppose violent Zionist ethnic cleansing, not Jews or Judaism. I don't support Zionism in its current form because it is violent, unfair and oppressive.

Zionism: A violent colonial racist movement, which seeks to create a pure Jewish state through injustice, oppression and the commission of war crimes and crimes against humanity against the holy land's non-Jewish indigenous people.

Judaism: A religion, philosophy and way of life of the Jewish people. A monotheistic religion originating in the Hebrew Bible (also known as the Tanakh) and explored in later texts such as the Talmud.

Jew: An ethnic/religious group which includes those born Jewish and converts to Judaism.

Zionism is not Judaism. A Zionist is anyone who supports Zionism.

Not all Zionists are Jews. Not all Jews are Zionists.

According to True Torah Jews Against Zionism:

Zionists Do Not Represent Jews

From the inception of the Zionist State and particularly in recent times, the impression has been created in the World that there is some connection between the State, which falsely calls itself Israel, and the Jewish people as a whole. Therefore, we who continue to uphold the never-changing tradition of the Jewish people find it proper to again clarify the following points:

A Jew is one who remains faithful to the laws of the Jewish religion, that is, the Holy Torah and its commandments.

The Jewish people became a people before they had their own land, and continued to exist as a people also after they went Into exile, because our very people hood is based exclusively on the Torah.

The Holy Torah

The Holy Land was given to the Jewish people on the condition that they observe the Torah and its commandments. When they failed to do this, their sovereignty over the land was taken from them, and they went into exile. From that time, we are prohibited by the Torah with a very grave prohibition to establish a Jewish independent sovereignty in the Holy Land or anywhere throughout the world. Rather, we are obligated to be loyal to the nations under whose protection we dwell.

This situation has existed for close to 2000 years when the Jewish people were dispersed throughout all corners of the world. During this time, the Jews always remained faithful to the country in which they lived.

The Jewish people are grateful to all those merciful nations which have allowed them to observe Torah and the commandments undisturbed.
Zionists Do Not Represent Jews

Since I support "Freedom of Religion", I also support Judaism and the right of Jews to observe their faith. I support Jewish immigration to Canada. I support the criminal prosecution of anyone who discriminates against Jews and promotes hatred against Jews.

I don't even oppose the idea of Zionism. I oppose the violence, oppression, injustice, war crimes and crimes against humanity which are a direct result of modern Zionism, not Zionism itself. I would support Zionism if it was a peaceful movement.

Another example of looooong winded preaching and propaganda.....:roll:

 

[earth_as_one]

ES: Are AK-47's part of the non-violent resistance of the ISM?

Firearms are not part of the ISM's non-violence resistance. Attempts by yourself and Lee Kaplan to erroneously portray the ISM as a violent armed group based on photos of newbies handling firearms before they received their required ISM training (which specifically instructs them NOT to handle firearms) is deliberately misleading. Even the Israeli government doesn't claim the ISM is an armed violent organization.
The International Solidarity Movement (ISM) is a network founded by extreme American leftists and part of the campaign to delegitimize Israel.

This Israeli site twist ISM activities to make them sound ominous, but they do not reference a single act of ISM violence using firearms. They accuse the the ISM of throwing stones and Molotov cocktails without providing a shred of supporting evidence. I find it unlikely that the individual ISM volunteers have used violence to resist Zionist oppression, injustice, war crimes or crimes against humanity. But if any individual ISM members did act violently in an attempt to harm someone, that would violate the ISM's policy of non-violence and I would support that individual's arrest and prosecution.

Another example of looooong winded preaching and propaganda.....:roll:

Another example that proves you don't read my posts... If you are going to criticize my opinion, you shouldn't be ignorant of it.

 

[EagleSmack]

Another load of BS from ES. I only oppose violent Zionist ethnic cleansing, not Jews or Judaism. I don't support Zionism in its current form because it is violent, unfair and oppressive.

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Spoken like a true anti-semite! Way to go EAO! You're on a role this morning let it out man let it all out!

 

[earth_as_one]

While the ISM does not support violence, they are victims of violence... Rachel Corrie's violent death is just one example. Here are other examples
List of demonstrators killed during protests against the Wall

Is that what you look like ES? You don't have to scream at me.

Mellow out. This is just a forum for the discussion of ideas.

I wish you peace, love and happiness:

Again, for the record, I support "Freedom of Religion", I also support Judaism and the right of Jews to observe their faith. I support Jewish immigration to Canada. If I was to make a single generalization about Jews, it would be that most Jews add positively to Canada's multicultural society. I support the criminal prosecution of anyone who discriminates against Jews and promotes hatred against Jews.

I don't even oppose the idea of Zionism. I oppose the violence, oppression, injustice, war crimes and crimes against humanity which are a direct result of modern Zionism, not Zionism itself. I would support Zionism if it was a peaceful movement.

 

[EagleSmack]

Firearms are not part of the ISM's non-violence resistance.

That's interesting... because here is a picture of ISM members holding AK-47's.

Is that what you look like ES?

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Yet more hypocrisy from EAO. SLANDER I SAY... SLANDER and PERSONAL ATTACK!

 

[DaSleeper]

That's interesting... because here is a picture of ISM members holding AK-47's.

Yet more hypocrisy from EAO. SLANDER I SAY... SLANDER and PERSONAL ATTACK!

That motor mouth is easy to prime ......hey Eagle?????:lol:

 

[EagleSmack]

That motor mouth is easy to prime ......hey Eagle?????:lol:

Oh yeah. A kitten after string he is.

 

[earth_as_one]

A picture of people who just showed up in Palestine holding firearms does not accurately portray the ISM. ISM membership happens after they have completed the required ISM training which instructs ISM members not to handle firearms or anything resembling a firearm. the people in the image have not completed their ISM training, therefore they are not ISM members at the time the photograph was taken.

The ISM trains their members not to handle firearms not just because it looks bad, but for safety reasons. Most human beings have an innate abhorrence to attacking someone who is unarmed and not a threat. ISM members would be at a greater risk of injury or death if they even handled an object resembling a firearm during their non-violent resistance activities.

Attempts by Kaplan and others to portray the ISM as a violent armed group is not only erroneous, it also increases the risk that members of the ISM might be violently attacked and killed.