Israeli court rejects US activist's family lawsuit

petros

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The gentleman in the picture is protesting in support of the values of western civilization, not against them.
Really? You sure it wasn't because of all the useless violence and meaningles slaughter?
 

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Colpy.. do you believe that Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza enjoy freedom or justice?

Under Corrupt Fatah and lunatic Islamist Hamas??

Surely you jest....

Arabs in Israel are MUCH better off, in both freedom and justice.........

Really? You sure it wasn't because of all the useless violence and meaningles slaughter?

I don't believe the slaughter had started yet when he did that......

I may be wrong.
 

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She looks like sports fan or somebody who won the lotto.


Don Cherry is a Radiers fan???
 

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Under Corrupt Fatah and lunatic Islamist Hamas??

Surely you jest....

Arabs in Israel are MUCH better off, in both freedom and justice.........



I don't believe the slaughter had started yet when he did that......

I may be wrong.

I understand your point and to a degree I agree with you. But I see Fatah and Hamas as a result of oppression and injustice, not the cause. If these people had freedom and justice before Fatah and Hamas, then they could be the cause. But since these people haven't had freedom or justice since 1947 and Fatah and Hamas showed up much later, these organizations are clearly results, not causes.

1918 Fall of the Ottoman Empire - Palestinians become nationless

1947 - UN awards most of Palestine to Jewish immigrant refugees triggering an ethnic cleansing war which continues to this day. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians loose their homes and property.

1964 PLO/Fatah founded

1967 - Israel attacks its neighbors completing its conquest of Palestine and the beginning of the Jewish only colonization of the West Bank and Gaza. Hundreds of thousands more Palestinians loose their homes and property.

1968 Increasing violence and ethnic cleansing directed at Palestinian civilians causes PLO Charter to endorse violence as a legitimate form of resistance to the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza.

1987 Hamas founded in response to Israeli war crimes during the First Intifada and ongoing ethnic cleansing

1991 Israel recognizes the PLO and takes them off their list of terrorist organizations

1993 The PLO recognizes Israel

2005 Abbas wins Presidential election with limited powers (election boycotted by Hamas as unfair and fixed) International observers note Israeli interference in the election which affected the outcome.

2006 Hamas wins a majority in legislative elections which were deemed free and fair by international observers

2006 Fatah refuses to recognize the election results and clings to power without a mandate, triggering a civil war. US and Israel arm Fatah factions, while Fatah and Israeli forces abduct and assassinate elected officials. Hamas intercepts Israeli/American arm shipments to Fatah factions in Gaza and take control as per their election mandate. Fatah clings to power in the West Bank without a mandate with extensive Israeli/US financial and military support

2011 Palestinian Papers reveal that Abbas is willing to sell out the Palestinian people for a few pieces of silver and their support for his continued dictatorship over Palestinians. He offers a non-sovereign Palestine consisting of a few villages and towns and recognition of Israel's annexation of most of the West Bank as long as he can continue living a life of opulent luxury. Israel refuses Abbas's offer as insufficient.
 
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Geeze, that looks suspiciously like a profane gesture, which of course is against forum rules.

Thank you again for proving me right.

Forum Rules for him are a grey area- much like his stands on violence- against it - then a grey area - then always the magical word then if.

I am sure he is waiting for some violation by his so called coterie of trolls to go moaning to the Mods. They have the patience of Saints.
 

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Gee ES, you got me. I did manipulate TS's post. Sorry TS.

You straight out lied is what you did.

Which raises the question of why you are posting links to manipulative propaganda about Rachel Corrie and the ISM? You must also know your posts reference manipulative misinformation about Rachel Corrie and the ISM.


Nothing manupulative about it. ISM was exposed and they have pictures showing ISM Members brandishing AK's.



Sure ES, no other images of Rachel Corrie exist. Why do you repeatedly post that image if your intent isn't to create a perception that Rachel Corrie is a raving loonie.

Oh really?

Here you go... A different picture!





You fail again!

The ISM only supports non-violence resistance in response to oppression and injustice. Convincing Hamas and other organizations which have a record of violent resistance and/or war crimes to embrace purely non-violent methods to gain Palestinian freedom and justice is a worthwhile goal and I wish the ISM luck.


ISM Member supporting non-violence and teaching terrorist organizations to embrace non-violent methods...while holding an AK-47.

 

petros

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I don't believe the slaughter had started yet when he did that......

I may be wrong.
Oh it was almost done when he did that. PBS did an entire docu on him It's called Tank Man. To his day nobody knows who it was or waht happened to him.
 

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...Nothing manupulative about it. ISM was exposed and they have pictures showing ISM Members brandishing AK's.

...ISM Member supporting non-violence and teaching terrorist organizations to embrace non-violent methods...while holding an AK-47.
My attempt to manipulate TS's post to make a point about manipulating information was awkward and failed to make my point.

I'll try again to make the same point with a statement about American Presidents

"President George Bush Jr. used drugs while he was President


is probably a true statement. I'm referring to prescription drugs for health reasons.

I'm sure President Bush must have had a prescription for an infection or cold while he was President. He probably took Tylenol from time to time... which are drugs.

George Bush was arrested for cocaine possession"

is another true statement. Bush was arrested for cocaine possession... in 1972 before he was President:
George W. Bush substance abuse controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All American presidents use drugs like George Bush did
is probably a true statement. I'm sure they've all used prescription drugs at one time or another.


OK lets sting those facts together.

President George Bush was arrested for cocaine use and he used drugs while he was President, just like other American Presidents.

is true but just as deliberately misleading as your referenced article which claims to show pictures of members of the ISM brandishing firearms and claiming that the ISM uses violence.

The images of ISM members brandishing firearms was taken before they had any association with the ISM and is as relevant regarding the ISM as George Bush's 1972 cocaine possession arrest is to his Presidency.

Your referenced article claims that the ISM uses violence, but fails to describe that violence. In the context of ISM members brandishing firearms, it implies the ISM uses firearms to commit acts of violence. Most likely some ISM members tossed tear gas canisters fired at them back at the IDF, or some other behavior which could "technically" be described as violence, but I doubt the ISM is armed with assault rifles and fights along side terrorists as your referenced article implies.

Your article's statement the ISM supports militants and that a militant was arrested at an ISM members home is based on the incident where a member of a militant group was arrested at the ISM, because he ducked into the same building where the ISM, Red Cross and MSF "offices" are located and the ISM gave him warm clothes and some tea. The ISM didn't know who he was and didn't understand what he was saying. They gave him warm clothes and tea because he was cold and wet is is technically aiding a militant. The IDF arrested the militant, not because he had committed an act of violence but because he was out after curfew.


One last statement which is as manipulative as your referenced article, your post, image of Rachel Corrie and my images of Oprah.

No wonder the US is so screwed up, your leaders smoke marijuana and snort coke.
 

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Wow... more lies and babble from you EAO. You can't stop yourself.

It is pathetic you trying to justify your lying about TS. Not to mention this pathetic attempt to cover for the ISM hate group.
 

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The fact that you reference deliberately manipulative propaganda to make your points indicates one of two possibilities.

Either

1) You are aware that your referenced article is deliberately manipulative and therefore you are being deliberately manipulative

2) You aren't bright enough to recognize deliberately manipulative propaganda and have fallen for it.
 

taxslave

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My attempt to manipulate TS's post to make a point about manipulating information was awkward and failed to make my point.

I'll try again to make the same point with a statement about American Presidents

"President George Bush Jr. used drugs while he was President


is probably a true statement. I'm referring to prescription drugs for health reasons.

I'm sure President Bush must have had a prescription for an infection or cold while he was President. He probably took Tylenol from time to time... which are drugs.

George Bush was arrested for cocaine possession"

is another true statement. Bush was arrested for cocaine possession... in 1972 before he was President:
George W. Bush substance abuse controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All American presidents use drugs like George Bush did
is probably a true statement. I'm sure they've all used prescription drugs at one time or another.


OK lets sting those facts together.

President George Bush was arrested for cocaine use and he used drugs while he was President, just like other American Presidents.

is true but just as deliberately misleading as your referenced article which claims to show pictures of members of the ISM brandishing firearms and claiming that the ISM uses violence.

The images of ISM members brandishing firearms was taken before they had any association with the ISM and is as relevant regarding the ISM as George Bush's 1972 cocaine possession arrest is to his Presidency.

Your referenced article claims that the ISM uses violence, but fails to describe that violence. In the context of ISM members brandishing firearms, it implies the ISM uses firearms to commit acts of violence. Most likely some ISM members tossed tear gas canisters fired at them back at the IDF, or some other behavior which could "technically" be described as violence, but I doubt the ISM is armed with assault rifles and fights along side terrorists as your referenced article implies.

Your article's statement the ISM supports militants and that a militant was arrested at an ISM members home is based on the incident where a member of a militant group was arrested at the ISM, because he ducked into the same building where the ISM, Red Cross and MSF "offices" are located and the ISM gave him warm clothes and some tea. The ISM didn't know who he was and didn't understand what he was saying. They gave him warm clothes and tea because he was cold and wet is is technically aiding a militant. The IDF arrested the militant, not because he had committed an act of violence but because he was out after curfew.


One last statement which is as manipulative as your referenced article, your post, image of Rachel Corrie and my images of Oprah.

No wonder the US is so screwed up, your leaders smoke marijuana and snort coke.

In most places being out after curfew is a criminal ofence.
So you are saying that a group known to be anti Israeli and known to play with automatic weapons were helping a known criminal?