Climate Change and the American Political Agenda

EagleSmack

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Global Warming can't be stopped. China and India will not sacrifice economic growth under any circumstances. It doesn't matter what America does on this issue.

Which is what GW has become... get money from Western nations... wealth distribution. Not just the US. Did you see how many nations flipped out when Canada said they would no longer be part of Kyoto. They pounced right on the Great White North. Everyone expects the US to be d***s but when Canada tells them to screw... that is a HUGE problem. That is the start of a slide of other nations to say "well if Canada isn't going to empty their wallets then why should we?"
 

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Which is what GW has become... get money from Western nations... wealth distribution. Not just the US. Did you see how many nations flipped out when Canada said they would no longer be part of Kyoto. They pounced right on the Great White North. Everyone expects the US to be d***s but when Canada tells them to screw... that is a HUGE problem. That is the start of a slide of other nations to say "well if Canada isn't going to empty their wallets then why should we?"

You could try giving a little thought to this. It was mostly the European nations that "flipped ouy." Those nations that are putting a great deal of effort into fulfilling their obligations to Kyoto and the world. Particularly the several who are ahead of their Kyoto requirements. They are all getting a little fed up with Canada and the lying hypocrisy of the Canadian government that feeds you the guff that you have just posted.

And an environment who, with a straight face, lied to the whole Canadian nation about the non-existent $14 billion that it would cost Canada if it did not pull out of Kyoto. Also, China, India and Brazil are not very happy with Canada. Altjogh they are developing nations, they are all doing far more than Canada.

Interestingly, Canadians are now doing an end run against the ideologic obscurantists in this Canadian government. The Conference of CEOs has just released its wishes that we start doing something, including putting a price on Carbon. It is appealing to the Provinces to take the lead.

Every thinking person and organisation in Canada is now getting into the act and Harper is going to be left explaining to his pastor how he could not stop them.
 

petros

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Is Canada responsible for the crash of the EU carbon market?

Just why is there a carbon market to begin with?
 

petros

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maybe if they had cool flashing lights on them everybody would want one?




ooOOoo flashing lights.....
 

CDNBear

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If that is wrong, then scien is wrong.
Well that settles it, since "scien" is wrong and all.

You could try giving a little thought to this. It was mostly the European nations that "flipped ouy." Those nations that are putting a great deal of effort into fulfilling their obligations to Kyoto and the world. Particularly the several who are ahead of their Kyoto requirements. They are all getting a little fed up with Canada and the lying hypocrisy of the Canadian government that feeds you the guff that you have just posted.
You should move to Europe.
 

EagleSmack

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You could try giving a little thought to this. It was mostly the European nations that "flipped ouy." Those nations that are putting a great deal of effort into fulfilling their obligations to Kyoto and the world. Particularly the several who are ahead of their Kyoto requirements. They are all getting a little fed up with Canada and the lying hypocrisy of the Canadian government that feeds you the guff that you have just posted.

Check again.

However I'm sure they were a little... upset. :)

I'm glad Canada has woken up to the scam but if the EU wants to empty their treasury to developed countries like China and India they are welcome to do so!



And an environment who, with a straight face, lied to the whole Canadian nation about the non-existent $14 billion that it would cost Canada if it did not pull out of Kyoto.

An environment lied?

Man you're WHACKED!

Also, China, India and Brazil are not very happy with Canada. Altjogh they are developing nations, they are all doing far more than Canada.

Of course they're not happy. Canada gave them a paycut.


China a developing nation! What a moron!

Interestingly, Canadians are now doing an end run against the ideologic obscurantists in this Canadian government. The Conference of CEOs has just released its wishes that we start doing something, including putting a price on Carbon. It is appealing to the Provinces to take the lead.

Every thinking person and organisation in Canada is now getting into the act and Harper is going to be left explaining to his pastor how he could not stop them.

Let them pay then. If they want to volunteer private funds from their profits then by all means they should!
 

Walter

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Global Warming can't be stopped. China and India will not sacrifice economic growth under any circumstances. It doesn't matter what America does on this issue.
Economic growth is not causing GW.
 

taxslave

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Yes indeed. My liberal state of Massachusetts is all about saving the planet and stopping Global Warming... providing it is kept out of their pristine illy white neighborhoods and sailing areas. They'd be more than happy to stick windmills off New Bedford and Fall River as long as they keep them away from Hyannis and Marthas Vineyard where the beautiful people vacation.

Now that sounds exactly like the West Coast. It is OK for the natives to put up a wind farm next to Cape Scott Park but not to have one off Cape Mudge where Suzuki has one of his houses.
 

JLM

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Apparently they'd be too big of an eyesore to put on the north shore mtns too.

I have a better idea, log off an area of Stanley Park to install them. The trees in Stanley Park are nothing but a nuisance, they blow over or they provide a hiding place for dope dealers and pedophiles!
 

petros

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I have a better idea, log off an area of Stanley Park to install them. The trees in Stanley Park are nothing but a nuisance, they blow over or they provide a hiding place for dope dealers and pedophiles!
That is rez land now.
 

Ron in Regina

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You could try giving a little thought to this. It was mostly the European nations that "flipped ouy." Those nations that are putting a great deal of effort into fulfilling their obligations to Kyoto and the world. Particularly the several who are ahead of their Kyoto requirements. They are all getting a little fed up with Canada and the lying hypocrisy of the Canadian government that feeds you the guff that you have just posted.

And an environment who, with a straight face, lied to the whole Canadian nation about the non-existent $14 billion that it would cost Canada if it did not pull out of Kyoto. Also, China, India and Brazil are not very happy with Canada. Altjogh they are developing nations, they are all doing far more than Canada.....

China, India, & Brazil? That's only a Bic. I thought they where part of a Bric?
What does developing nation Russia say? Isn't Russia pissed too?



Is this the liar you're referring to above?

Quoting Peter Kent: "To meet the targets under Kyoto for 2012 would
be the equivalent of either removing every car, truck, ATV, tractor,
ambulance, police car and vehicle of every kind from Canadian
roads or closing down the entire farming and agriculture sector
and cutting heat to every home, office, hospital, factory and
building in Canada."
 
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petros

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I wonder if it will be feeding people first or producing mandated ethanol from failing grain crops due to drought in the USA?

Drought, Climate Change, Corn Prices, Ethanol and Biofuels

As we’ve all noticed there’s a drought going on in the American heartland. As many have noted this is leading to soaring prices of three main crops, corn wheat and soya. For that American heartland is the major source of export crops for all three (less so for soya than the other two to be sure).

We know that high food prices can kill poor people: this is not generally regarded as a good thing even though there are far too many small population fanatics around. Even they tend not to advocate starvation as a solution. We also know that both the US and the EU have mandates that insist that certain portions of transportation fuels must be provided by biofuels. That is, putting corn into cars rather than into starving people.

As a friend of mine in the UK, Andrew Montford, points out, this might not be the most humanitarian or logical method of dealing with the matter.

In fact, in normal times, it’s said that up to 40% of the US corn crop is converted into ethanol which is then fed into cars. When the crop slumps this proportion is likely to rise. For a drought and a shortage of corn is not going to do much to change driving habits. But still, despite that shortage of corn the gasoline allowable for sale has to be blended with ethanol.

What this means is that the swing consumer of this corn in newly short supply is going to be the poor consumer: the one who actually wants to eat the stuff rather than drive with it. Which just doesn’t sound like a very sensible idea really.

The reason we’re against climate change (and let us just pretend that this drought is a result of it) is because it will have undesirable effects upon human beings. Most especially poor human beings, the rich will adapt well enough. It just seems very strange indeed to use the ethanol program, supposedly a method of beating climate change, to make sure and certain that those same poor are going to suffer from the drought possibly climate change caused. That policy doesn’t even work within its own logic let alone on any other.

It’s almost certainly time that we revisited the biofuels mandates: this applies to the European Union just as much as to the US. If we can’t do the sensible and logical thing of abandoning them altogether perhaps we could at least be humanitarian and suspend them in times of bad harvests?

Brazil could be feeding a ****load of people instead of producing ethanol from land wasted on growing sugar cane for ethanol.

What heroes they are to starve people whil e meeting Kyoto.
 

EagleSmack

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China, India, & Brazil? That's only a Bic. I thought they where part of a Bric?
What does developing nation Russia say? Isn't Russia pissed too?

Environmentalist and the GW crowd knew for a fact that to get any of the countries you named to sacrifice for them would have ended in absolute failure. Not a one of those countries would ever bend to the whims of environmentalists. So they gave them all developing nation status so they could concentrate on the soft targets... the EU and North America. Then they mixed up a batch of Kool-aid and excuses with talking points to support their ridiculous positions on why they are developing nations.


Is this the liar you're referring to above?

Quoting Peter Kent: "To meet the targets under Kyoto for 2012 would
be the equivalent of either removing every car, truck, ATV, tractor,
ambulance, police car and vehicle of every kind from Canadian
roads or closing down the entire farming and agriculture sector
and cutting heat to every home, office, hospital, factory and
building in Canada."


Well Ron, you wouldn't have to take such a drastic step you know. You could actually pay the carbon tax and that would in turn make Canada carbon neutral. If you give money to them then all emissions and pollution miraculously disappears.

It's amazing when you think of it. Electronic transfers of 1's and 0's (bits and bytes) from Canada's bank accounts to Developing Nations bank accounts wipes away all emissions that Canada pumps into the atmosphere.