Ford tries to clarify his comments on gun criminals and immigration

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Toronto mayor Rob Ford out of his depth when he starts talking about crime: Chris Selley | Posted Toronto | National Post

he greatest deliberate achievements of Rob Ford’s administration have been on the labour front: reasonable contracts, no strikes, nothing to complain about. And it’s no knock on Mr. Ford that this occurred without him saying much about it in public. His skills are not those of a negotiator, a diplomat or an orator. It’s good to know one’s limitations.

Silence isn’t an option when people are getting shot. But after the Eaton Centre shooting, and briefly after the Danzig Street shooting in Scarborough, Mr. Ford was cutting an admirably restrained, though obviously concerned, public figure. His basic message was that horrible things happen in big cities, but this big city is very safe; go about your business as usual.

“Let’s just continue living our lives like we do every day — go out and have fun and take it from there,” he said. “It’s been a terrible couple of days but this is definitely, like I said before, the safest city in the world.” It isn’t, but that’s hardly the point. The message was spot-on and the sentiment seemed to be genuine — which for a tough-on-crime, shoot-from-the-hip fellow like Mr. Ford, was both surprising and heartening.

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At first, after the Danzig shooting, it seemed the sentiment would hold. And really, why wouldn’t it? The list of victims was tragically longer, but it was the same brand of madness. When people start firing wildly into or around crowds, the amount of collateral damage is going to be down mostly to luck, not intent.

“I am shocked and disgusted by this senseless act of violence,” read the middle-of-the-night statement from Mr. Ford on Tuesday. “While we try to understand this tragic event, I want to assure residents that this horrific, criminal behaviour will not be tolerated in our City.”

Fine. Tough, but sane, talk.

And then, it all went quickly to hell. By the end of Tuesday the Mayor had “declare[d] war on these violent gangs,” causing many people who wouldn’t dream of voting for Mr. Ford to cluck their tongues and roll their eyes. But still, it wasn’t the end of the world … until he went on the radio to suggest somehow evicting gangsters from Toronto, or from Canada altogether, or … well, something. He vowed to talk to the Citizenship and Immigration Minister about it. It was confusing. And he followed it up with a toe-curling second radio hit during which, at one point, he basically asked the hosts to explain the nature of Canadian citizenship to him. It’s beyond parody, and too sad to make a parody of anyway.

Mr. Ford is well known for profiting from things that would sink other politicians: A DUI, marijuana possession, offering (probably insincerely, but still) to score a guy drugs, his personality. But I don’t see how anyone can look at this and see anything other than a rank embarrassment. He hasn’t said anything particularly offensive. I don’t doubt that he wants to solve the problem. But on a core urban issue, he has shown himself to be completely out of his depth — and what’s worse, willing to run his mouth about it. I don’t know which would be worse: If this communications train wreck was his own idea, or the product of some spectacularly terrible advice.

Has there ever in the history of the Human race been a bigger clown as the CEO of a major city. He is an eternal embarrassment.

And, the great majority of these crimes are committed by Canadian citizens. Usually by citizens who have been thrust into a disadvantaged status by a 'dog eat dog' culture.

Ford is playing the race card and the perversion of the 'Law and Order' card. He is a fitting one to talk to Harper.

A bit over the top on Ford- but your ideology is at play and full of passion- I used Passion vice BS. Toronto has had a fair number of Bozos as Mayor- What about the last one.
 
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The money will be used to extend a three-year pilot project called Prevention Intervention Toronto. The program was intended to help 300 young people “at high risk of gang attachment” in Rexdale, Jane-Finch and Weston-Mount Dennis transition into legitimate employment and to help the city to gain insight into which tactics work and which don’t.

We all know the Conservative solution to these kind of issues is to ignore and marginalize and hope they'll just go away...or be deported.
 

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Ontario has had Conservative, NDP and Liberal governments and Rexdale, Jane-Finch and Weston-Mount Dennis are still Rexdale, Jane-Finch and Weston-Mount Dennis....


And Mr. Ford is Mr. Ford. Gonna start a heart attack pool. Jesus!!!

I give him a year from now........................20 whole grain cheerios says he goes within 12 months. In the kitchen. Of a heart attack. The maid will be on her day off. With a candlestick.
 

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And Mr. Ford is Mr. Ford. Gonna start a heart attack pool. Jesus!!!

I give him a year from now........................20 whole grain cheerios says he goes within 12 months. In the kitchen. Of a heart attack. The maid will be on her day off. With a candlestick.

That is the impression I've had ever since I first laid eyes on him. I sincerely hope not, he's done nothing to hurt me, just a big buffoon who ends up in positions he shouldn't because the people who could stop him don't. :smile:
 

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Ford is well out of his depth in the shallow end.

I do not see that as over the top. This man, Ford, is an imbecile. He does not even understand the implications of the growing gun incidents. He has no conception of why youth becomes antisocial. These things have been studied to death and there has been no shortage of recommendations for dealing with it. Few have been implemented. With each "Conservative" administration at every level there are further steps backward.

Ford thinks we should deport the perpetrators without knowing who the perpetrators are or what their citizenship. He thinks that and a few jobs that he has no idea how to create will make Toronto a Happy-go-lucky, fun place to be. (Lack of transit apart; and unaffordable housing apart) He even thinks that Stephen Harper will care!

As for the last mayor, he was a brilliant man and the city was heading in the Right direction with him. Since I don't live there. I do not know all the details of what each has achieved and there have been some bozos. But none like this one.
 

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Well, I felt I had to keep one and two open because generally when you think you've seen it all someone stupider shows up! :lol:

 

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We could call it Rob's law and eventually apply it to other people he doesn't like until Toronto is as lilly white as Ford's Mack Truck sized ass.
What law is Ford trying to create?

Seems he was asking if there was a way or a law.

I can see why the ideologues would confuse that for anything but.

After you post statistics supporting the lie that they are. A lie that was pushed hard before I contradicted it and that has no basis in fact and for which there have never ben statistics in support. It is a political claim by the kind of politician who should be behind bars for inciting hatred.
So in other words, you can't.

No surprise there.

Toronto mayor Rob Ford out of his depth when he starts talking about crime: Chris Selley | Posted Toronto | National Post

he greatest deliberate achievements of Rob Ford’s administration have been on the labour front: reasonable contracts, no strikes, nothing to complain about. And it’s no knock on Mr. Ford that this occurred without him saying much about it in public. His skills are not those of a negotiator, a diplomat or an orator. It’s good to know one’s limitations.

Excellent article for the most part Goob's.

I agree wholeheartedly with that captioned paragraph.

Ford is well out of his depth in the shallow end.
Who knew you and he needed water wings in the kiddy pool.

I do not see that as over the top.
Of course you don't. You don't see your comparison of Canadian politicians to Nazi's as over the top either.

But it does say a lot about your reasoning skills.

He does not even understand the implications of the growing gun incidents.
Just like Miller before him, lol.

He has no conception of why youth becomes antisocial. These things have been studied to death and there has been no shortage of recommendations for dealing with it. Few have been implemented. With each "Conservative" administration at every level there are further steps backward.
The Conservatives have pumped more money into the learning and healing center I work with at risk youth through. Than has been done in the past 10 years.

I'll be happy to forward a link to it's web page to Andem, so he can verify that for you if you would like.

Ford thinks we should deport the perpetrators without knowing who the perpetrators are or what their citizenship.
What an absolute load of crap. He identified them clearly.

As for the last mayor, he was a brilliant man and the city was heading in the Right direction with him.
That explains everything... lol.

Geez, with all the negative comments on Ford, I've just down graded his I.Q. to 3! :lol:
I'm not surprised you easily succumb to unsubstantiated and delusional nonsense. This isn't the first time in the last month I've seen you do this, lol.

I wish that I had your charitable nature!
I wish you were as objective, lol.

Well, I felt I had to keep one and two open because generally when you think you've seen it all someone stupider shows up! :lol:
Or comes back from a second time out in in as many weeks.
 

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I'm not surprised you easily succumb to unsubstantiated and delusional nonsense. This isn't the first time in the last month I've seen you do this, lol.

We are discussing a public figure here, much like Harper or Obama, so there is no burden of proof to evaluate his character 100% correctly, admittedly I could be a 100% wrong about the guy, and if I were shown to be I would agree. However after watching him on the news probably no less than 6-8 times and read about him several times in publications, for now I will stand by my evaluation of him as that of a buffoon. I will give the guy credit in that I think his appearance may work unfairly against him.
 

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We are discussing a public figure here, much like Harper or Obama, so there is no burden of proof to evaluate his character 100% correctly, admittedly I could be a 100% wrong about the guy, and if I were shown to be I would agree. However after watching him on the news probably no less than 6-8 times and read about him several times in publications, for now I will stand by my evaluation of him as that of a buffoon.
Geeze, now it's gone from "all the negative comments", to what you've watched and read.

If you want to emulate someone, try Tonington, not mentalfloss.

I'll give you one thing, Ford is over his head. Goob's article would be an excellent example of a reasoned and rational assessment of Fords strengths and weaknesses.

His election to the Office of Mayor, was simply justified by years of waste, sloth and graft, that the people of Toronto had grown tired of.

As far as the pool went, he was the best of the worst. The attacks on him, could be justified, if done with reason and rationality, based on actual facts.

It takes an IQ of 2 to rate his IQ at 3.
 

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It takes an IQ of 2 to rate his IQ at 3.

I've been known to speak with tongue in cheek, exaggeration and understatement are merely forms of humour (which as far as l know is acceptable in discussion forums). I would think to be able to rate a persons I.Q. as three the rater would have to have an I.Q. of at least four to appreciate the value of three. :smile:
If this were a court of law, of course, opinions based on that of others would be invalid! Ford has broad shoulders and I think is well able to withstand a little banter.
 

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I've been known to speak with tongue in cheek, exaggeration and understatement are merely forms of humour (which as far as l know is acceptable in discussion forums).
Ahhh yes, JLM's new patented fall back, tongue and cheek.

That must be why a litany of tourist snapshots, false and delusional claims rate so high in credibility to you.

I would think to be able to rate a persons I.Q. as three the rater would have to have an I.Q. of at least four to appreciate the value of three. :icon_smile:
So you would think.

Carry on.
 
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I think FOrd is on the right tract even though he has dumpy's wonderful way with words. As Canadians we should be able to deport any immigrant convicted of a gun crime from our country.
As a landlord you are permitted, in fact almost required to evict a tenant for illegal activities in a rental property so why not evict convicted criminals from your city and country?
The safety of law abiding citizens trumps any perceived rights of a criminal. Especially murderers.