Ford tries to clarify his comments on gun criminals and immigration

mentalfloss

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Did it have to be?

Obviously anyone not looking for something to poke Ford in the eye with, that chose to use commonsense and reason, instead of their ideological blinders, was able to understand what he was trying to convey.

Just like how most of us are capable of seeing through the cowardly, ambiguous trolling by the ideological trolls that abound here.

Boy is your finger not on the pulse of Toronto.

Or what a rational, common-sense person would think.

Community groups, politicians buck Ford’s stand on curbing gun violence

An array of community groups and politicians called Thursday for more resources and employment to combat the sort of gun violence that left two innocent bystanders dead at a Scarborough block party Monday.

While the issue has been studied extensively, they said, government has failed to implement the recommendations that countless experts, panels and other have made over the years.

They also had little time for Mayor Rob Ford's proposed solution – lengthening jail sentences and then somehow expelling convicted offenders from the city – arguing that the issue is far more complex.

Mr. Ford told a radio interviewer Wednesday night that he would meet with prime minister Stephen Harper to toughen up gun laws.

"Once they’re charged and they go to jail the most important thing is when they get out of jail, I don’t want them living in this city. They can go anywhere else, but I don’t want them in the city," he told AM40.

Asked how he planned to force gangsters out of Toronto, Mr. Ford said: "I don’t know and that’s what I’m going to sit down with the prime minister and find out: how our immigration laws work."

At a press conference in a Scarborough community centre organized by the African Canadian Legal Clinic, former provincial cabinet minister Alvin Curling said government should offer stable and consistent funding to community organizations and youth workers, rather than running short-term pilot projects. More could also be done to improve public housing and expand mental health programs.

"Because of the recession, whatever supports the priority neighbourhoods had have been cut back," he said.

Mr. Curling co-authored a 2008 report on the causes of youth violence, but community leaders said the province has not implemented his recommendations.

"I'm not a big fan of more reports or commissions or studies. We have hit a plateau," said city councillor Paul Ainslie. "We need to implement what's already been studied."

Likwa Nkala with Metro East Youth Services said community organizations need better access to schools to put programs in place. They could also do more to coordinate and listen to the community to understand its needs.

"The biggest gap is how we engage our young people while they're in school," he said.

Councillor Adam Vaughan said public housing residents should have the opportunity to start small
businesses to generate economic development, citing informal hair salons in housing projects and a program in Alexandra Park that allows residents to run food stands out of converted shipping containers.

Mr. Vaughan, a critic of the mayor, also took aim at the notion that more police alone would simply do the trick.

"I've heard people say 'let's make life for gang members miserable,'" he said. "But ask any young person involved in that, and they'll tell you it's the misery that put them there."

Mr. Ford's cuts to public housing and other programs, he said, are part of the problem and also pointed to the mayor's vote last month to refuse hundreds of thousands of provincial money for anti-gang programs.

"If when the three levels of government come to talk about this issue, all they want to talk about is jail, they can go to hell," he said, to sustained applause from the crowd.

Community groups, politicians buck Ford
 

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So the zero tolerance in schools in Ontario that to a large degree has been held responsible for creating much of street gang crime in the first place is now being advocted on a city wide basis by Torontos mayor?

What's next, the creation of ghettos for "undesirables"?

The gut feeling thinkers are using the wrong part of their anatomy for cogitation.
 

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Is that the same Vaughan that wants to ban bullets in the GTA and yet now seems to favour coddling those who would snub such a ban and flagrantly use them in illegal acts of gun violence?
 

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Is that the same Vaughan that wants to ban bullets in the GTA and yet now seems to favour coddling those who would snub such a ban and flagrantly use them in illegal acts of gun violence?

Is he talking about the same Ford that is a complete buffoon?
 

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Boy is your finger not on the pulse of Toronto.
So you're saying Torontonians don't want to curb gun violence?

Interesting.

How did you come to this conclusion? Is this from that vast knowledgeable intellect of yours that makes you capable of claiming you know what's best for Torontonians? Even when the polls prove otherwise?

Community groups, politicians buck Ford’s stand on curbing gun violence
Ahhh, community groups is it.

Funny how you believe the community groups speak for the whole of the city now. While a poll of the city that indicated they didn't want LRT's, was easily dismissed.

Not that the opinions of community groups that share a similar ideology with you should be taken seriously anyways.

Or what a rational, common-sense person would think.
That would exclude you and the community groups, given the kneejerk reactions, and the misrepresentation of what Ford said.

So the zero tolerance in schools in Ontario that to a large degree has been held responsible for creating much of street gang crime in the first place is now being advocted on a city wide basis by Torontos mayor?
Really? The Zero Tolerance policy is part of the Safe Schools Act, and is already in force across the province.

What's next, the creation of ghettos for "undesirables"?
They were created right after PET opened the flood gates to uneducated and poor immigration.

The gut feeling thinkers are using the wrong part of their anatomy for cogitation.
What an excellent description of you and Fuzzy's posts.

Is that the same Vaughan that wants to ban bullets in the GTA and yet now seems to favour coddling those who would snub such a ban and flagrantly use them in illegal acts of gun violence?
Yes.

Is he talking about the same Ford that is a complete buffoon?
Funny, you have something in common with Ford.
 

mentalfloss

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All those comments, and nothing on how you were wrong about this with respect to Ford's stance on moving criminals (even if they are Canadian citizens) out of the city after they've done their time.

Of course he does. What sane person wouldn't?

I guess you can just chalk up all those people to being insane then.

Even McSquints recognized what you couldn't:

"I think it would be a mistake for us to divide quickly into two camps: Those who believe that the solution is to be found exclusively in tougher laws and those who believe that the solution is to be found exclusively in more community supports."
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/07/19/toronto-scarborough-street-party-shooting.html
 

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All those comments, and nothing on how you were wrong about this with respect to Ford's stance on moving criminals (even if they are Canadian citizens) out of the city after they've done their time.
Oh, so now you want to move the goal posts.

The answer to your goal post shift is easy. Terms of parole can and do dictate place of residence. Which would make Fords approach to the PMO and the Feds, rather prudent.

I guess you can just chalk up all those people to being insane then.
I already think ideologues are.

McSquinty's an idiot. lol.
 

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Ahhh, someone doesn't know how parole works, and certainly doesn't understand that Ford isn't asking for new laws, lol.

Yea, you keep believing that those groups are just filled with insane people and then get back to me.
 

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Yea, you keep believing that those groups are just filled with insane people and then get back to me.
That was another interesting leap.

Are you having difficulty following the conversation again? Or was that just more of your ideologically driven dishonesty?
 

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More clarity from CBC..

How to do it unclear

Ford didn't specify how he thought he would be able to move residents out of the city by persuading the federal government to change immigration laws.

"It has nothing to do particularly with immigration or where you come from … all I want to do is [get] information. Which I’m not an expert on and I’m sure nobody is right now until we talk to the minister, and I can only get that information from the prime minister’s office," he said.

Mayor Rob Ford wants to banish gun convicts from Toronto - Toronto - CBC News
 

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Sooo, Lets say he got his clarrity and he could indeed deport criminals (Non Citizen) who cary illegal weapons back to thier native land. Would you support that???

No idea right now as I'm just trying to get all the facts in.