U.S. summer a global warming preview, scientists say
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The only contentious aspect of the IPCC assessment is attribution -- what is the cause of global warming and climate change," says atmospheric physicist S. Fred Singer, who is president of the Science & Environmental Policy Project, a public policy institute based in Arlington, Va. "We have looked at every bit of data that IPCC has brought forth, and we see no credible evidence for human-caused global warming. None."
The only contentious aspect of the IPCC assessment is attribution -- what is the cause of global warming and climate change," says atmospheric physicist S. Fred Singer, who is president of the Science & Environmental Policy Project, a public policy institute based in Arlington, Va. "We have looked at every bit of data that IPCC has brought forth, and we see no credible evidence for human-caused global warming. None."
Until a few years ago, Singer denied AGW. He has realised how foolish anf fraudulent that position now shows with the moiunting evidence and has shifted his position somewhat. He is still paid by the fossil fuel industry to delay and obstruct.
Is he an atmospheric scientist? He was, and a quite respectable one until about 35 years ago when he gave up doing science and concentrated on being a shill for the Tobacco industry and now for the fuel interests. Lending his name to the fraudulent Oregon Petition is one of his credits. Heck, the Moonies once provided him, with office space: for what return I never bothered to find out.
The SEPP does no climate science in spite of its pretentious name. It is simply one more denial Institution.
No lots of things equals death for us, including things like chlorine. Plenty of pollutants out there with chlorine in them.
Do you understand what a pollutant is Walter?
Yes. Have people ever died before? Whether or not something has happened before does not mean the causes are the same...there's more than one way to skin a cat, as the saying goes.
China: doing a lot more than you think
Many people point to China’s supposed inaction on carbon emissions as a reason we shouldn’t act. The disparity between what we think is happening in our biggest trading partner and what is really happening is enormous.
Yes, if you visit, there is a lot of smog. Yes, they have a lot of old coal-fired power stations.
But what about new energy investment: what are China’s trends towards the future? The numbers are truly stunning.
During 2009, China built 37 gigawatts (GW) of carbon-neutral energy (excluding nuclear) according to UN energy finance report figures. Those new forms of energy include hydro, wind, solar, geothermal and biofuels.
For just a little context of how much 37 GW is: the energy from all of Australia’s 29 coal-fired power stations adds up to about 29 GW. So China built 30% more carbon-neutral renewable energy capacity than all of Australia’s coal-fired power stations in just one year.
That is the largest growth in the world by far.
China added 14 GW of wind power alone in 2009. And for the first time ever, renewable energy capacity in China is expanding faster than coal.
Chinese officials revealed that by the end of 2009 there was 178 GW of new energy under construction: 96 GW were renewables and 80 GW were from coal.
There’s a price on carbon whether we like it or not
In Europe and the US, renewable energy capacity has outstripped fossil-fuel growth for a number of years. But China’s clean energy growth was 53% during 2009 and made it the worlds leading investor in clean energy (US$35billion) with nearly double the amount of the United States (US$18billion).
These hyper-growth trends in carbon-neutral energy in China point to the obvious fact that a “secret” or shadow carbon price is in effect.
The secret carbon price is also taking shape beyond China with 78 GW of renewable energy being built during 2009 around the world. Global new investment in clean energy (solar, wind, geothermal and biofuels) outpaced fossil-fuels (coal, gas) by some 30% in both 2008 and 2009.
It seems the last couple of years have marked the end of the old polluting industrial revolution and the dawn of a new clean, green industrial revolution. This has occurred without a formal carbon price in China or the US.
China, Carbon, and the Carbon Tax
And there has been a couple of years os even greater growth and investment since!
Many people point to China’s supposed inaction on carbon emissions as a reason we shouldn’t act. The disparity between what we think is happening in our biggest trading partner and what is really happening is enormous.
Yes, if you visit, there is a lot of smog. Yes, they have a lot of old coal-fired power stations.
But what about new energy investment: what are China’s trends towards the future? The numbers are truly stunning.
During 2009, China built 37 gigawatts (GW) of carbon-neutral energy (excluding nuclear) according to UN energy finance report figures. Those new forms of energy include hydro, wind, solar, geothermal and biofuels.
For just a little context of how much 37 GW is: the energy from all of Australia’s 29 coal-fired power stations adds up to about 29 GW. So China built 30% more carbon-neutral renewable energy capacity than all of Australia’s coal-fired power stations in just one year.
That is the largest growth in the world by far.
China added 14 GW of wind power alone in 2009. And for the first time ever, renewable energy capacity in China is expanding faster than coal.
Chinese officials revealed that by the end of 2009 there was 178 GW of new energy under construction: 96 GW were renewables and 80 GW were from coal.
There’s a price on carbon whether we like it or not
In Europe and the US, renewable energy capacity has outstripped fossil-fuel growth for a number of years. But China’s clean energy growth was 53% during 2009 and made it the worlds leading investor in clean energy (US$35billion) with nearly double the amount of the United States (US$18billion).
These hyper-growth trends in carbon-neutral energy in China point to the obvious fact that a “secret” or shadow carbon price is in effect.
The secret carbon price is also taking shape beyond China with 78 GW of renewable energy being built during 2009 around the world. Global new investment in clean energy (solar, wind, geothermal and biofuels) outpaced fossil-fuels (coal, gas) by some 30% in both 2008 and 2009.
It seems the last couple of years have marked the end of the old polluting industrial revolution and the dawn of a new clean, green industrial revolution. This has occurred without a formal carbon price in China or the US.
China, Carbon, and the Carbon Tax
And there has been a couple of years os even greater growth and investment since!
So you dismiss the idea of a natural progression of earth's climate and change? Different cause huh?
That is what makes myself and most people i know reject the assumption that it is all our fault and if we just open our wallets and succumb all will be well.
If it is happening we simply cannot fix it. Better to spend the money adapting than pizzing it away on impossible ventures that 2/3 of the world will not cooperate with.
Anyway, i have gotten to the point where i cannot be emotionally blackmailed, having lived an honest hard working life in accordance with the rules. Now i am so old that i don't give a ****.
There are no other options. It's CO2 and CO2 only. Didn't you read the report?
You have said that a couple of times.
Eaglesmack, the point is that the chinese government doesn't have to surrender its autonomy to recognize the climate change impact on its farmland, forests, and people. Each year they are faced with the huge task of feeding their population. They have seen the damage done by untimely weather events and only need to see the increasing frequency of those to understand the need for action. In this regard they are less blind than Canadian and American governments which have the belief that food is the least of their worries
But all Western countries should have to surrender autonomy?
You're just towing the party line and making excuses as to why China should be exempt.
Untimely weather events are new?
You're just towing the party line and making excuses as to why China should be exempt.
Untimely weather events are new?
"Facts are stupid things."
- Ronald Reagan
If we don’t do something about global warming now, we are very likely to starve. The evidence indicates that the global warming is occurring at an accelerated rate. It’s time that we face up to the facts; or come face to face with the reality of global warming at the grocery store when we are fighting in the isles for the food on the shelves. If mankind is to survive, we need to stop denying the facts and resolve to change our ways.
- Ronald Reagan
If we don’t do something about global warming now, we are very likely to starve. The evidence indicates that the global warming is occurring at an accelerated rate. It’s time that we face up to the facts; or come face to face with the reality of global warming at the grocery store when we are fighting in the isles for the food on the shelves. If mankind is to survive, we need to stop denying the facts and resolve to change our ways.
No. I'm simply saying it's illogical to claim, without evidence, that this climate change is caused by the same thing(s) that caused previous climate changes.
The evidence has been stacking up for some time. Scientists know what the fingerprints are associated with various forcings on the climate. They have found the fingerprint of an apparent enhanced greenhouse warming in our climate system. They know how much of our emissions are being absorbed by the oceans and terrestrial biosphere. They know what the top of the atmosphere energy imbalance is. They know which spectral bands the outgoing radiation is being trapped at, and they have confirmed satellite observations with ground observations. They can reproduce the current warming with general circulation models (Fig. 9.5a).
Dig into those links and see for yourself.
I am not asking anyone to surrender autonomy. just recognize the impact that climate change is going to have and to reduce emissions, learn adaptation methods, and develop alternatives. The Kyoto Protocol is a formula. The people who developed it would probably be happier if everyone jumped on board, but it is just a formula. Other formulae will work, and as has been shown, the costs of doing something about global warming are less than the costs of letting the thing get more out of hand.
I am not toeing a line. China appears to be more concerned and pro-active than North American governments. We have had some self satisfaction in considering ourselves as having foresight, and yet in North America at least it seems to be all about the disappearing possibilities of being energy self-sufficient through the glory of fossil fuels. Which is completely at odds with what the worlds scientists are saying about carbon induced climate change.
And no, untimely events are not new. I've seen them come and go. But indications from the scientists who are studying this, are that these will become more frequent, more extreme, and more unpredictable.
Was it you that posted nukes as an alternative energy source? What makes a nuke "green'?
Straw man? You know about all the CFC related to U processing right? It onky accounts for 93% of CFC in the US.
Glowing straw men.
Yes, straw man. Nuclear was referred to as an alternative based on CO2 emissions. Not referred to as green. Therefore, straw man.