Is Quebec sovereignty on the rise?

[Nuggler]

I can understand that kind of logic, except that more than half of Quebecers are not separatists. That would leave, at most, 11% of Canadians are separatist. Not sure what percentage of Albertans are also separatists. We may have to start kissing their butts too some day.

11% is such a small tail to be perpetually wagging such a big dog.

The butt kissing is left entirely up to the politicians. They do such a wonderful job.

As far as hating Que goes: (not your post), I'm sure the Anglos in Que. who are denied basic freedoms such as street, store, signs in English, being spoken to in French whether or not they speak it, might make up a good hating percentage.

 

[JLM]

11% is such a small tail to be perpetually wagging such a big dog.

The butt kissing is left entirely up to the politicians. They do such a wonderful job.

As far as hating Que goes: (not your post), I'm sure the Anglos in Que. who are denied basic freedoms such as street, store, signs in English, being spoken to in French whether or not they speak it, might make up a good hating percentage.

Are they STILL into this imbecility of not allowing signs in a language other than French?

 

[Machjo]

Are they STILL into this imbecility of not allowing signs in a language other than French?

They do allow them, except that the french sign must be predominant by a determined size and position, etc. Still silly though.

Don't have to worry about Alberta separating...........Gerry will (I was going to say kill but he doesn't believe in killing) make them wish they'd never entertained the thought. :lol:

Thatnk god he doesn't believe in killing!

 

[Canbits]

Asked why there were no picnic tables Duplesis replied that they would hurt local enterprises. In Québec simply folloe the money to find out how the majority will vote.

 

[El Barto]

I'm not so sure. Voters are unhappy with the riots in Montreal, so they're sending the Charest government a message by saying they support the PQ.

This like anything is more media hype than anything else..... Harper is just reacting to it.
What has been going on in Quebec with the student riots is just out of whack..... it is the few protesting.... not even a majority , and the media making this a bigger issue than it really is ...... they just love crying babies .
It is alot of Bull Sh!t (really wish words weren't censored here )

The population is getting mezmorized by the media and are so not seeing a clear picture.
There is the union backing the student protesters helping to add fire to the situation.
Probably due to the push of the anti corruption effort being held .

In any case , soveignist have nearly always been a few that cried louder.... they were never the majority , as the majority are tired of hearing of it or have actual lives to live.

 

[wulfie68]

But I would say a responsible Federal government would place as a priority to maintain friendly cultural relations between Quebecers and English Canadians regardless of whether Quebec remains in Canada or not.

In fact, focussing on that is more likely to woo Quebec to remain in Canada than threats.

Just think of human psychology. No one likes to be dictated to, but would rather be addressed in a friendly manner even when it's to express disagreement.

I disagree in large part. If Quebec wants out of Canada, the RoC owes them nothing, aside from the neutrality they give to any other sovereign nation. If you use the human psychology aspect, if Quebec wants out, they are essentially denying they wish to carry on a reciprocal relationship (even though in this case the "reciprocity" is weighted in Quebec's favour). Why should we respond to demands to build a relationship on Quebec's terms rather than our own? I don't disagree that threats are more likely to increase negative sentiment, but seeing as that's the strategy Quebec has continually employed to the rest of Canada, why should we take a more sympathetic stance, as opposed to calling the sovereigntists' bluff?

 

[JLM]

This like anything is more media hype than anything else..... Harper is just reacting to it.
What has been going on in Quebec with the student riots is just out of whack..... it is the few protesting.... not even a majority , and the media making this a bigger issue than it really is ...... they just love crying babies .
It is alot of Bull Sh!t (really wish words weren't censored here )

The population is getting mezmorized by the media and are so not seeing a clear picture.
There is the union backing the student protesters helping to add fire to the situation.
Probably due to the push of the anti corruption effort being held .

In any case , soveignist have nearly always been a few that cried louder.... they were never the majority , as the majority are tired of hearing of it or have actual lives to live.

Long time, no see, Bart. :lol:

 

[Vancouverite]

If they want to go, they will have to accept the fact that Quebec's boundaries will be changed in our favor. Furthermore, they cannot object to us refusing to grant special status to the francophones outside Quebec.

 

[gerryh]

If the separatists want to leave Canada, whether they are living in Quebec, Alberta, or any where else, they can always pack their bags, order a shipping/moving container and wave good bye. Nothing is stopping them.

They can kiss my ass though if they think they can take part of my country with them.

 

[Vancouverite]

Actually, Parizeau said that the constitution did not allow the federal government to alter Quebec's boundaries without its consent, so it can secede intact.

But, by the same token, the constitution also doesn't say Quebec can secede, so it cannot secede to begin with - or rather, its right to do so is not guaranteed.

 

[earth_as_one]

June 10, 2009MONTREAL -- According to a new Angus Reid poll, 74% of Quebecers now believe it's unlikely the province will one day separate from the rest of Canada. The survey, conducted for a Montreal newspaper, found that only 34% of people were clearly in favour of sovereignty for the province, while 54% were clearly against. However, most respondents also said they weren't satisfied with the country's constitutional status quo.
The poll comes as Quebec's provincial opposition leader, the PQ's Pauline Marois, announced that if elected she would work to give the province as many powers as possible in order to speed the cause of sovereignty....


Separation unlikely: Quebec poll | Canada | News | Edmonton Sun

 

[lone wolf]

Actually, Parizeau said that the constitution did not allow the federal government to alter Quebec's boundaries without its consent, so it can secede intact.

But, by the same token, the constitution also doesn't say Quebec can secede, so it cannot secede to begin with - or rather, its right to do so is not guaranteed.

I don't think it matters what Parizeau or anyone has to say about boundary issues. First off, Quebec hasn't ratified any Constitution. Second, once she's splintered, there is nothing to say it will stay in one piece. Cree and Mohawk Nations will have their say. IN the end, a separate Quebec nation will most likely be within 1867 boundaries.

 

[earth_as_one]

I agree if LW. If Canada can be divided, so can Quebec.

 

[El Barto]

Actually, Parizeau said that the constitution did not allow the federal government to alter Quebec's boundaries without its consent, so it can secede intact.

But, by the same token, the constitution also doesn't say Quebec can secede, so it cannot secede to begin with - or rather, its right to do so is not guaranteed.

Parizeau or i guess even most of Candad doesn't understand , democracy isn't 50% +1.
In a referendum like we had then , it should be a clear majority.... in the federalist case when you have a party that has 40% of the votes , that doesn't morally mean it has the majority.

Long time, no see, Bart. :lol:

Yes I know..... odd tho ... all this time gone , nothing much has changed here.

 

[JLM]

Yes I know..... odd tho ... all this time gone , nothing much has changed here.

Never a dull moment! :lol:

 

[El Barto]

Never a dull moment! :lol:

ahhh but to me it was fun when it was new ..... but that was long ago.
I am sick of rehtorics and party toting lines.... give me the real issues , nuts and bolts of things.... not speculations

 

[JLM]

ahhh but to me it was fun when it was new ..... but that was long ago.
I am sick of rehtorics and party toting lines.... give me the real issues , nuts and bolts of things.... not speculations

I hear you. We do get a little repetition here. :lol:

 

[El Barto]

I hear you. We do get a little repetition here. :lol:

Give me something new or give me something nude ....except yourself that is

 

[JLM]

Give me something new or give me something nude ....except yourself that is

lewd, crude, rude and nude! :lol:

 

[DurkaDurka]

I used to live in Charlevoix, the heart of the Sovereigntist movement, at least then and probably still today.

Interestingly enough, even many sovereigntists were not necessarily anti-Canada but just wanted their own country.

Strangely enough, bullying them to stay in Canada is more likley to push them out of Canada plus ensure bad relations between the two new countries; treating them as friends rather than traitors is more likely to make them want to stay with Canada and, should that fail, at least ensure friendly relations between the two new countries.

who is bullying them to stay? They have far much more to lose by leaving.

I certainly hope so, is there anything we can do to push from this end of Canada??

Not from your end, you're too mentally stunted to effect a class vote let alone a sovereignty issue.

Push first, flush later,,,,,

Stupid easterners, you gotta tell them everything!! Sssshhhheeeee!!!

The flush was supposed to happen post-abortion, Durry. Apparently your Mom forgot and you somehow surfaced from a sewer in Red Deer.