I doubt any aboriginal peoples would want to leave Canada. It has been a long hard fought battle just to get what they have now. After Oka, most have no use for the Quebec way of dealing with their issues. Separatism is just a wet dream for some but reality is they will be dreaming for a very long time.
Is Quebec sovereignty on the rise?
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Separatists are like zombies. They continually rise from the dead and can only be stopped by blowing their brains out. Unfortunately, as in the case of zombies, brains among separatists are hard to find.
No they do not!
I don't know why it is so hard to understand that separation is not and never was, a possibility. The only reason that the threat ever seemed real was that so many Canadians, like the majority here, do not seem to know that Quebec is an English Canadian province as much as it is French. Further, the survey cited above by ? puts perspective on the wishes of Quebeckers.
At the time of the 1980 referendum surveys showed that there were only 11% of Franco Quebeckers who wanted a separate country. That has not changed much and has changed somewhat only because so many English Canadianas have left the province. It is those in the ROC, like most here, who are responsible for the continued existence of a separatist movement and for the continuation of Quebec's language laws. Both would dissolve like butter in the hotter climate if English Canada as a whole had supporter their brethren in Quebec and a majority of Francophones.
Separation never was possible in any event without the certainty of a civil war. Does anyone think that nearly a million Anglophones in Quebec (disregarding the views of millions of Francophones) would meekly allow their Canadian identity to be taken from them and to be absorbed into a French state that had the aim of eliminating their culture entirely?
Apart from the geopolitical implications. And, if peaceful separation were possible, it could be arranged only with the move from Quebec of a minimum of a couple of million refugees and the end of French communities outside Quebec.
The Clarity Act does not merely impose conditions on separation. It makes it impossible> Negotiations would take a decade and could never be competed to the satisfaction if either side. From government properties to the resettlement of peoples and geographical and political arrangements that would not damage Canada, the permutations would be endless.
And the divisions of Quebec would be certain since not only the native peoples would demand their own territory. So would those in Western Quebec and other traditionally non- French areas.
I can tell you of a survey that my organisation did in in 1979. Just one of the interesting revelation was that more than 70% of the Francophones of the million in the Western half of Montreal Island opposed both any type of association that made them less Canadian but also a small majority favoured military action to prevent separation - if necessary.
And that was just Francophones.
They most certainly do meet the standard, morally and legally as a distinct society, if pressed, even Nation.
It's already been made clear that you don't understand the international law or the fundamental human right involved. If you didn't hold onto the erroneous notion that the Helsinki Accords, was the framer and end all of the fundamental human right of self determination, you wouldn't keep making the same error.
The fundamental human right of self determination, is linked to de-colonization. There is absolutely no doubt that the Qubecois were/are a conquered and colonized people. The Quebecois were purposely inundated with British immigrants under Lord Durham. In a policy designed to force assimilation.
It didn't workout like it was planned.
Quebecois isn't Anglophone or Francophone, it's a people, it's a culture, it's a distinct society.
All that's lacking is a clear internal consensus. If they manage to get that, they will meet all prerequisites.
Some of the purest bunkum you have yet dredged up. I explained the elements of the Right to sel determination of peoples in the other thread. They do not change because you want it so.
You obviously have net the faintest idea of what Helsinki was about and you are totally unaware of the Final Declaration that brought this into International Law. You simply prattle about Accords with not a clue as to what they are.
The only opinion that has ever been rendered that agrees with you was that of the five political that the PQ searched the world to find and give a favourable opinion for them.
You should quit this. You are a novice at this and I have forty years involvement on you.
Thanks for coming out. When you learn how to have a discussion and or grow up, PM me. I'll come back and educate you some more.
Educate me! You are an ignorant twit and a narcissistic fool. You should abstain from political discussion.
And the Quebecois are not a conquered people and Quebec is not a decolonization issue. Quebec Francophones are partly the descendants of 60,000 French settlers who were abandoned by their mother country and taken over by the British. They were taken into the British colony that comprised most of the area of Quebec at a time when European tradition decreed that they would lose the Right to their religion, language and culture.
It was the insistence of the British Monarchy that allowed them to retain those. Further, about one third of present day Francophone bloodlines (genetically) are Irish. Irish who immigrated into a British clony and not just that 10-15% of the area that was settled by French speakers.They are not a distinct society and that is why the designation is not in the part of the Constitution that the xenophobes want it to be in.
That would give them the legal basis they erroneously claim.
You need a little history as well as law.
I have both in this. As I said, th United Nations committee that ruled on the language laws quoted verbatim the relevant paragraph from an article I wrote: an article that, it seems was entered into evidence in the case. It agrees with me.
And the Quebecois are not a conquered people and Quebec is not a decolonization issue. Quebec Francophones are partly the descendants of 60,000 French settlers who were abandoned by their mother country and taken over by the British. They were taken into the British colony that comprised most of the area of Quebec at a time when European tradition decreed that they would lose the Right to their religion, language and culture.
It was the insistence of the British Monarchy that allowed them to retain those. Further, about one third of present day Francophone bloodlines (genetically) are Irish. Irish who immigrated into a British clony and not just that 10-15% of the area that was settled by French speakers.They are not a distinct society and that is why the designation is not in the part of the Constitution that the xenophobes want it to be in.
That would give them the legal basis they erroneously claim.
You need a little history as well as law.
I have both in this. As I said, th United Nations committee that ruled on the language laws quoted verbatim the relevant paragraph from an article I wrote: an article that, it seems was entered into evidence in the case. It agrees with me.
Your post has been given a negative rep for being insulting, childish and lacking any supportive evidence. Furthermore it was reported for rule violations.
It's a matter of johnny come lately's trying to change History to suit there own ends.
Absolutely. I wish s_lone was here. He's the one that educated me on the Irish when I tried to throw them at him. Back when I was against the aspirations of the Quebecois separatist movement.
Yes, Canada was French (1620-1763), English (1763-1867) then finally Canadian (on July the 1st, 1867).http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histoi..._colonisation_fran.C3.A7aise_.281620-1763.29.
Some people/antelopes/zombies or whatever in Quebec just never swallowed it.
That is not entirely true.... many of Quebecers are proud to also call themselves Canadian.... when the PQ were freshly ellected and the referendum soon followed , there was a huge rift between the French speaking here. Many were or are federalist through and through. Many would note speak to those who were pro-seperatists here ... and vice versa. During the American invasion in 1775 , we had the french fighting with the English, we had the French fighting with the Americans.... and we had the french making a buck selling food to the Americans heading down to Quebec city down the la Chaudiere river ....
Now the seperatists and the fedreal list speak to each other on friendlier terms..... we have a new enemy.... imposing immigrants !
Oh I'm paying attention! I'm just kind of busy right now with work but I'm looking forward to getting involved in this thread.
Oh you know there's a dangerous paradox about to happen right?
You and I on the same page? Same team?
WTF!!!???
Hell has frozen over. Dogs and cats living together. This is Biblical sh!t right here I tell ya what, lol.
Oh c'mon now. You know I'm a rights kinda guy. It would only be a matter of time before I switched teams. You and the facts dictated I had to.
Oh I like to think I put up a valiant effort, but in the end, I was wrong, you were right.
I just want to make this clear. While I acknowledge that Quebec IS a distinct society etc.....I still feel that the separatists should be run out on a rail. I do NOT and never will agree to having my country carved up because of a bunch of snotty nosed whiny assed pansies.