Apache finds massive Canadian shale-gas field
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How many Indian Fakirs have died from walking on a bed of nails? None recorded so that enterprise must be good for the environment and the economy.
Any links on that- I am looking for information to make informed decisions- Yes some claims are fake but they are not all fake.
Ernst v. EnCana Corporation | Landowner Jessica Ernst sues EnCana and Alberta government regulators over water contamination It's from a bias site but it has the claim she filed in pdf.
One of my first real jobs was on a drill systems exploration drill rated for a little over 1000 feet with a Becker down the hole hammer(Becker was my driller)who was part owner in SDS back then before they became Beck and then Hazco.
I helped punch a lot of holes in the rocky mountains back in 82 and I will admit it is amazing how much water is running through them.With the formations dipping to allmost a 90 and 14 coal seams there was literally 14 underground rivers,each one running on top of the coal seams. There was so much water we would have to trip out and put a rock bit back on as the compressor could,nt run the hammer and handle the water at the same time.
One other thing that water will usually flow over is clay,something not in abundance in the rockies but all over the praries.We would truck clay in if we wanted water to flow on top and not go into the rocks and it was placed on top of the sandstone.
So I'm still kind of neutral on the whole fracking thing so far,I have not seen much evidence or health and fatality issues because of it but I like to keep an open mind.I have been reading up on the Alberta governments water sites and it is very interesting how much monitoring they do and how much data there is.
I have drilled holes in the bottom of open pit mines after running for ten years and the water was allways crystal clear,cold and refreshing on a hot day.There was also heavy equipment working on the top of the same mountain,same stuff suncor uses to mine.
The mountains as porous as they are seem to be quite a good filter but that's another few days reading.
This post is mostly for Petros as I know he has drilled a few holes in his lifetime.
I am on the prarie now but have never drilled on it,I know the clay beds on the prarie are very thick.
So if the water tables high like it is in sk right now in certain places then and water should flow towards the rivers,not into the ground.
I'm very familiar with geology of the rockies up to about 5 miles east of my home,where the plains begin.
I'm not very familiar with SK's though and haveing a hard time finding much on it.
But then I have spent 30 minutes on the side of the road trying to find a map on my laptop of SK that includes the township roads.
I get lost lots there.
I helped punch a lot of holes in the rocky mountains back in 82 and I will admit it is amazing how much water is running through them.With the formations dipping to allmost a 90 and 14 coal seams there was literally 14 underground rivers,each one running on top of the coal seams. There was so much water we would have to trip out and put a rock bit back on as the compressor could,nt run the hammer and handle the water at the same time.
One other thing that water will usually flow over is clay,something not in abundance in the rockies but all over the praries.We would truck clay in if we wanted water to flow on top and not go into the rocks and it was placed on top of the sandstone.
So I'm still kind of neutral on the whole fracking thing so far,I have not seen much evidence or health and fatality issues because of it but I like to keep an open mind.I have been reading up on the Alberta governments water sites and it is very interesting how much monitoring they do and how much data there is.
I have drilled holes in the bottom of open pit mines after running for ten years and the water was allways crystal clear,cold and refreshing on a hot day.There was also heavy equipment working on the top of the same mountain,same stuff suncor uses to mine.
The mountains as porous as they are seem to be quite a good filter but that's another few days reading.
This post is mostly for Petros as I know he has drilled a few holes in his lifetime.
I am on the prarie now but have never drilled on it,I know the clay beds on the prarie are very thick.
So if the water tables high like it is in sk right now in certain places then and water should flow towards the rivers,not into the ground.
I'm very familiar with geology of the rockies up to about 5 miles east of my home,where the plains begin.
I'm not very familiar with SK's though and haveing a hard time finding much on it.
But then I have spent 30 minutes on the side of the road trying to find a map on my laptop of SK that includes the township roads.
I get lost lots there.
Documented negative environmental impact.
Yes, documented.
Why do we have to wait until someone death is conclusively linked to a process that has a documented negative impact on the environment and the health of people living the region?
I read more...
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/energy/coal-oil-gas/top-10-myths-about-natural-gas-drilling-6386593#slide-4
Is Fracking Safe? The Top 10 Myths About Natural Gas Drilling - Popular Mechanics
No he doesn't, and neither do I.
Sometimes even EAO's sites get it right.
My first job after the Army was with a contract mining/raisebore company.
Rock lube we used is as toxic as fracking fluid. If we spilled it on the ground the sites hazardous spill team had to be notified. They came they cleaned it up.
When we broke through to whatever drift we were aiming for, tons of this fluid would explode into that drift.
It was transvac'd up and the area decontaminated by rinsing it with water that would get flushed into a sump.
Where the whole sump would be pumped out and the water sent for disposal.
We used enviro friendly fish based bit lube and oil,the bears used to lick the derrick clean on weekends,
I all my years I have never met a rancher or farmer who had problems with fracking on their land and I meet every one of them.
I guess you don't know these farmers and ranchers...
http://www.nfu.ca/press_releases/2012/02-23.pdf
Here's a Calgary Herald article on the lawsuit:
http://www.calgaryherald.com/technology/Ruling+advances+woman+tainted+water+lawsuit/6475560/story.html
Here's an EPA finding of drinking water contamination by EnCana in Pavillion Wyoming:
http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/20ed1dfa1751192c8525735900400c30/ef35bd26a80d6ce3852579600065c94e!OpenDocument
Unike what the gassy apologists have said here, clearly not all hydraulic fracturing is done at great depths, far from people's drinking water. Here we have cases of very close proximity to drinking water.
Hey Ton, can you think of a nontoxic, non-naturally occurring marker that can be added to fracking fluid to track/trace it?
“We thought we were doing the right thing by not supplying the information,” Semeniuk said.
LMAO!!!
The right thing for who?
There are lots of methods of tracing water movement, ranging from dyes, to chelated heavy metals, injecting gases, radioactive isotopes, fluorocarbons...the applicability depends on the nature of the test. You wouldn't want to put some of this stuff in drinking water, but then again you don't want any drilling fluid in your drinking water either.
I only asked because I was wondering if it could be regulated, that fracking fluids must contain identifiable, nontoxic, non-naturally occurring markers. That can be traced to either the company using it or individual wells.
There seems to be a systematic response of "It's all natural" to any claim of contamination.
I don't believe in coincidence that much to believe that so many cases involving long serving water wells, suddenly succumb to natural contamination, after fracking has occurred in the vicinity.
16x9 - Untested Science: Fracking natural gas controversy - YouTube
Coleman is a fracking goof.
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Nope,mostly Alberta,give me a year and I'll know most of the sk ones too where i'm at.
They do make dye that can be used to trace,they use it in the rocky mountain watershed so It's not toxic.
Let them use it as a marker,then we can seperate the truth from the B.S.
Ummm, Rimbey Alberta, Region 7 of the NFU, isn't in Alberta?
You've shown to be unable to make that distinct thus far. I doubt pretty colours will help.
At least then we can place blame where it is deserved.I'm all for it,seems the only ones haveing problems are the ones that dont gt their price for the ROW on their land.
They can allways say no to a well.
Rarely used,never in my experience,if they want a well bad enough they will just ask the nieghbor.
I watched ranchers in bag valley pitted against each other trying to hold out for more money,they never got their land drilled.sorry but in the industry you dont see anyone forced into anything.
Costs lost of lawyer money and court time to force someone into something they dont want and one thing the energy companies dont want is any more bad publicity.Theres enough mis informed peeps walking around fearmongering as it is.
These farmers should have to dis -close what chemicals they are using on their land,unlike anyone else,they dont need permits.
No accountability there at all for what they put on their land.