Documents show Tories knew F-35 was unaffordable

MapleDog

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Let me get this straight - people are complaining that the guvmint knew that the planes, which have not been bought, cost a lot of money. Is that it?

Well when one go to buy something like a new computer or a DVD,he knows how much it is and cost,the government clearly knew,only an idiot would buy something without knowing the price.
 

Walter

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Well when one go to buy something like a new computer or a DVD,he knows how much it is and cost,the government clearly knew,only an idiot would buy something without knowing the price.
Why are people complaining; no planes have been purchased?
 

EagleSmack

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Not yet but from what was told apparently we'll have to pay for that even if the purchase is cancelled,just like for the helicopters a few years ago.

Well Canada has already invested in the program. They helped develop the F-35.

See the 6th flag from the left?


 

lone wolf

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I believe Canada really does need to be on the cutting edge. Having spent many hours over Arctic rock and cold water in a 20-year-old airplane that was prone to engine failures and lousy in a 14kt crosswind, I'm kind of biased, I guess. The CF-18 is an excellent frame - but aging. That being said, if the fighter is intended for Arctic sovereignty, it's my opinion the F-35 isn't the right tool for the job.

First off, it needs too much ground support. Infrastructure is the first thing to go should shyte happen. My preference would be something akin to robust Russian fighters - where you can dig it out of a snowbank, plug in an APU and go skyward.

Second, with the size of our projected fleet, in a defense role, I would prefer something that presents the radar image of a much larger incoming fleet to any potential threat with the ability to detect.

Third, a back-up engine would be a major plus. Experience taught me that even one feathered propeller and three spinning ones is un-nerving as hell when you're a long way from home. I never did jets, but I do know zoomies like getting home too.

Damn! It's a pretty airplane, though....
 

mentalfloss

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I believe Canada really does need to be on the cutting edge. Having spent many hours over Arctic rock and cold water in a 20-year-old airplane that was prone to engine failures and lousy in a 14kt crosswind, I'm kind of biased, I guess. The CF-18 is an excellent frame - but aging. That being said, if the fighter is intended for Arctic sovereignty, it's my opinion the F-35 isn't the right tool for the job.

First off, it needs too much ground support. Infrastructure is the first thing to go should shyte happen. My preference would be something akin to robust Russian fighters - where you can dig it out of a snowbank, plug in an APU and go skyward.

Second, with the size of our projected fleet, in a defense role, I would prefer something that presents the radar image of a much larger incoming fleet to any potential threat with the ability to detect.

Third, a back-up engine would be a major plus. Experience taught me that even one feathered propeller and three spinning ones is un-nerving as hell when you're a long way from home. I never did jets, but I do know zoomies like getting home too.

Damn! It's a pretty airplane, though....

Do we really need all that though?
 

lone wolf

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Do we really need all that though?
Do we really need all what?

A fleet of CL-415's might be a great investment - especially if doomsayer predictions for a perma-green Arctic came true - but if you ever had to assist them, you'd want something as good as or better than the bad guys who bounced them....
 

JLM

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"unaffordable" is a nebulous term in much the same way as there is are people who can afford to drink beer and play bingo but can't afford nutritious food.
 

mentalfloss

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Do we really need all what?

A fleet of CL-415's might be a great investment - especially if doomsayer predictions for a perma-green Arctic came true - but if you ever had to assist them, you'd want something as good as or better than the bad guys who bounced them....

What if we just said screw the F-35s - there is no real need to defend the arctic?
 

mentalfloss

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About as stupid as saying screw the cops, no banks are going to get robbed. :lol:

I disagree, though I'm not abjectly denying the need for defense.

I'm just not well versed on military escapades and conflict.

Is it likely that there will be a legitimate struggle for these resources with other nations?