Canadian Democracy - Takes another hit under Harper

Harper is abusing Parliamentary reviews of bills - and Parliamentary Committees


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JLM

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The oil sands may not be the largest project in history, though it is going to be pretty close if this government has its way. It is, though, being described around the world as the most destructive project in history. Its CO2 impact cannot be downplayed. It is now responsible for about 7% of Canada;s emissions. Within not much more than a decade, it is slated to increase to the cause of about 26%.

It is the sole reason for Canada pulling out of Kyoto. There is not the proverbial snowball's chance of Canada meeting even the very modest pretended goal of this government.

What percentage does driving vehicles cause?
 

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The oil sands may not be the largest project in history, though it is going to be pretty close if this government has its way. It is, though, being described around the world as the most destructive project in history. Its CO2 impact cannot be downplayed. It is now responsible for about 7% of Canada;s emissions. Within not much more than a decade, it is slated to increase to the cause of about 26%.

It is the sole reason for Canada pulling out of Kyoto. There is not the proverbial snowball's chance of Canada meeting even the very modest pretended goal of this government.

Environment - Transportation / Indicators of Well-being in Canada

Meanwhile, increases in the number of vehicles on the road and the size of these vehicles have contributed to rising levels of GHG emissions. In 2005, transportation accounted for 26% of Canada's estimated GHG emissions, an increase of 33% from levels reported for 1990[3].
 

Cabbagesandking

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The reason Canada pulled out was the liberals did nothing - then the minority govts did nothing - then if we stayed Canada would have been faced with billions of dollars in penalties.

Canada pulls out of Kyoto pact to avoid penalty - Times Of India
NEW DELHI: Canada withdrew from the Kyoto Protocol to avoid the $13.6-billion penalty it would have had to pay for failing to meet the emission reduction target that has been set for next year.

Kyoto Accord: Canada formally withdrawing from climate change protocol | News | National Post

Kent blamed the former Liberal government for being “incompetent” by signing the accord and failing to meet its targets. As a result, he said, the current Conservative government, which took office in 2006, now faces “radical and irresponsible” choices if it is to avoid the $14 billion in international penalties he said it must pay for failing to meet those targets as a signatory to the accord.

Kent said that in order to comply with Kyoto, dramatic action would need to be taken to reduce greenhouse gas emissions.

“To meet the target under 2012 would be the equivalent of either removing every car, truck, ATV, tractor, ambulance, police car and vehicle of every kind from Canadian roads, or closing down the entire farming and agricultural sector and cutting heat to every home, office, hospital, factory and building in Canada.”

Canada pulls out of Kyoto Protocol - Politics - CBC News

Canada is formally withdrawing from the Kyoto accord, Environment Minister Peter Kent said Monday.

The decision to do so will save the government an estimated $14 billion in penalties, Kent said. The Conservative government says it has no choice given the economic situation.
Of course, it would not occur to you that Peter Kent was lying? I told him so and, after I challenged the member for my riding to public debate on Canada's actions on climate change (he refused because he "did not know enough about it) he was forced to agree with me that Kent was wrong - would not accept that he was lying. But the local paper did.

There are no penalties: nothing enforceable. As most countries around the world know for they have missed their targets, too. It would have cost Canada a great deal of money to purchase the credits need to meet its Kyoto targets if it wanted to do that. But, there were no penalties and this wretched government got away with more lies because of an apathetic public.

And the increase in transportation is relevant to the oil sands disaster?
 

Cabbagesandking

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So, are you and Red one and the same? You both seem to be into the same stuff....
Why would you say that? Since climate change is by far the most important problem facing the human world now, and the most important it has ever faced, everyone should be into it. I know a lot of people who are.

And just about every scientist in the world is and is equally concerned.
 

lone wolf

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Perhaps they should concern themselves with ways to cope with the inevitable. Climates change - and have been doing so since the rock cooled. Democracy and Harper's version thereof have nothing to do with it.
 

Cabbagesandking

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Perhaps they should concern themselves with ways to cope with the inevitable. Climates change - and have been doing so since the rock cooled. Democracy and Harper's version thereof have nothing to do with it.
It is not inevitable in the degree that will happen if we continue to do so little. What will happen if we do stay on that path cannot be "coped" with. At a certain point, adaptation becomes impossible. Left for another decade or so, it will still be possible to do something but the costs will be staggering and the climate something that you will not like.
 

lone wolf

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It is not inevitable in the degree that will happen if we continue to do so little. What will happen if we do stay on that path cannot be "coped" with. At a certain point, adaptation becomes impossible. Left for another decade or so, it will still be possible to do something but the costs will be staggering and the climate something that you will not like.
What would happen if we lived in caves and it changed anyhow?
 

Cabbagesandking

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What would happen if we lived in caves and it changed anyhow?
Then we would be in a pickle. Unless the caves were underground at a level where the temperature was moderate and we stayed there, we would not survive.

It would be like H.G. Wells with no above ground relatives to eat.
 

CDNBear

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It would have cost Canada a great deal of money to purchase the credits need to meet its Kyoto targets if it wanted to do that.
How does that help the environment?

And just about every scientist in the world is and is equally concerned.
Wrong again.

Left for another decade or so, it will still be possible to do something but the costs will be staggering and the climate something that you will not like.
Ya, we here that doomsday ideological rant (Thanks Fuzzy!) all the time.

Maybe you can explain how it will be so, with some accredited documentation to back it up.
 

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Then we would be in a pickle. Unless the caves were underground at a level where the temperature was moderate and we stayed there, we would not survive.

It would be like H.G. Wells with no above ground relatives to eat.

Underground farming- no problem with sunlight- we just herd your type together and instead up trying to pump sunshine up our respective asses you could then shine it somewheres productive.
 

Cabbagesandking

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How does that help the environment?

Wrong again.

Ya, we here that doomsday ideological rant (Thanks Fuzzy!) all the time.

Maybe you can explain how it will be so, with some accredited documentation to back it up.
Both the International Energy Association and the Club of Rome have in the last few months said that wehave no more than five or six years left to begin dramatic reductions or face the FACT that the temperature increase will not be limited to that 2c that is the critical tipping point from where sea level rise and all kinds of other nastiness will not be retrained to a level compatible with our present civilization.

As for whether scientists are concerned. there are 15,000 in climate science or related fields who contribute to the IPCC, either directly as authors or as contributing reviewers.

They all are concerned.

Of course, they forgot to check with you and ask you to employ your huge brain to confirm or deny their findings.

Grow up!
 

CDNBear

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Both the International Energy Association and the Club of Rome have in the last few months said that wehave no more than five or six years left to begin dramatic reductions or face the FACT that the temperature increase will not be limited to that 2c that is the critical tipping point from where sea level rise and all kinds of other nastiness will not be retrained to a level compatible with our present civilization.
That doesn't explain how buying carbon credits benefits the environment.

You fail.

As for whether scientists are concerned. there are 15,000 in climate science or related fields who contribute to the IPCC, either directly as authors or as contributing reviewers.

They all are concerned.
That's "just about every scientist in the world"?

You fail.

Of course, they forgot to check with you and ask you to employ your huge brain to confirm or deny their findings.
LOL...

Given your last comment, the irony there is funny.

Let me know when you figure out how to have a conversation.
 

petros

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As for whether scientists are concerned. there are 15,000 in climate science
or related fields who contribute to the IPCC, either directly as authors or as
contributing reviewers
WTF is climate science?