The New "Empire" ??

darkbeaver

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First of all America was not trying to conquer Iraq they made that clear from the start,
As for the American Empire, it began to fold a long time ago. When reason first went,
Ronald Reagan came to power, and the speed at which the decline has come to is
going to make it nearly impossible to stop. America's Empire was not as most, it was
an internal Empire if you will. Good jobs, plenty of them, quality made goods, the right
mix of regulation and self determination to succeed and so on.
Ronnie changed all that. He bought into the New World Order nonsense and the rest
is a steep decline. First they got rid of the right balance of regulation and the con men
ran roughshod over the land. Then came the I will lower your taxes routine. That was
fine, except that meant there was no funding to repair roads, railways, bridges and other
infrastructure throughout America at the Federal Level. That meant the States, who were
in funding difficulties could not keep up the required maintenance and it fell to local
governments who were already over burdened. Soon education funding and social
programs such as they were, were under funded.
Ever since the low taxes, which didn't save jobs also meant the standard of living over all
declined and there is even less tax money for improvements. The jobs left because the
governments signed onto international deals to stimulate third world economies and provide
larger profit margins for business at the expense of Americans in America.
The result is the great experiment in an open political concept was hijacked by the corporate
elite for profit and nothing more. The worst is still yet to come as the American experience
will become the American nightmare.
As for a physical land mass empire, that was not the goal of America, control economically was
and even that is now in serious doubt.

How is it that you believe America to have been an "internal Empire" while they have in excess of seven hundred forign military bases and have left bomb craters in virtually every second nation on earth and have taken the spoils of war for over a hundred years starting with the Phillopines? The USA is a carbon copy of every preceeding Empire only speed and scale sets it apart.
 

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Where I live is not relavent. The articles represent some of the views that are currently in effect about the US "empire".
Has NOTHING to do with anything or anyone on a PERSONAL LEVEL. Please don't make it personal. As that only distracts from the topic.
If you feel that Empire does not apply .......please say so and indicate why. (without getting into poster snarkiness ..not called for and against ROC.) thanks.
I lived in the US.....fortunately before it went totally nutsky .Still love San Francisco As I lived in other places... but I digress.
All it proves is that you are not the only nut bar with a closet full of tinfoil out there.
Were your parents teachers by any chance?
 

EagleSmack

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First of all America was not trying to conquer Iraq they made that clear from the start,
As for the American Empire, it began to fold a long time ago. When reason first went,
Ronald Reagan came to power, and the speed at which the decline has come to is
going to make it nearly impossible to stop. America's Empire was not as most, it was
an internal Empire if you will. Good jobs, plenty of them, quality made goods, the right
mix of regulation and self determination to succeed and so on.
Ronnie changed all that. He bought into the New World Order nonsense and the rest
is a steep decline. First they got rid of the right balance of regulation and the con men
ran roughshod over the land. Then came the I will lower your taxes routine. That was
fine, except that meant there was no funding to repair roads, railways, bridges and other
infrastructure throughout America at the Federal Level. That meant the States, who were
in funding difficulties could not keep up the required maintenance and it fell to local
governments who were already over burdened. Soon education funding and social
programs such as they were, were under funded.
Ever since the low taxes, which didn't save jobs also meant the standard of living over all
declined and there is even less tax money for improvements. The jobs left because the
governments signed onto international deals to stimulate third world economies and provide
larger profit margins for business at the expense of Americans in America.
The result is the great experiment in an open political concept was hijacked by the corporate
elite for profit and nothing more. The worst is still yet to come as the American experience
will become the American nightmare.
As for a physical land mass empire, that was not the goal of America, control economically was
and even that is now in serious doubt.

Starting with Reagan huh? I guess the Vietnam war was a wonderful experiment.

Under funded social and education programs. It is the land of milk and honey when you don't work. Our poor get free EVERYTHING! They get so much free that they are the most obese of all classes. Gorging on free food in free housing. Oh the pain.

In Massachusetts our EBT cards (aka Welfare) are being used all over the country and Puerto Rico as our "poor and downtrodden" enjoy taxpayer subsidized vacations... Orlando, New Orleans, Las Vegas...even in Hawaii!

And now THIS from the Boston paper this morning!

Gop blasts ‘inadequate’ EBT reform - BostonHerald.com

Welfare cards being used at nail salons, strip clubs, tattoo parlors, gun shops and casinos!

And you want us to pay more taxes? FUDGE THAT
 

EagleSmack

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That is unreal!!!! I'm gobsmacked, seriously.

Yup. The Gov was on the radio on the only show that is run by a couple "progressives". He's looking into it and has made great strides in welfare reform. Good grief.

Sounds like some welfare recipients are human. Go figure!

Help me out there a bit my friend. Are you saying that it is ok to use welfare money on vacations, strip clubs etc.?
 

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Yup. The Gov was on the radio on the only show that is run by a couple "progressives". He's looking into it and has made great strides in welfare reform. Good grief.



Help me out there a bit my friend. Are you saying that it is ok to use welfare money on vacations, strip clubs etc.?
Would you like it better when they spend it on crack and smack or if they just sell drugs so they can afford those other luxuries?
 

EagleSmack

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Would you like it better when they spend it on crack and smack or if they just sell drugs so they can afford those other luxuries?


Oh Cliffy... they do it on that as well. These are ATM cards. Straight cash from the pockets of the taxpayers.

Our handful of GOP reps wanted drug tests to be a condition of receiving these cards. Alas it was laughed out of committee. The Dems simply do not want to upset their base here in Massachusetts.

But fear not... EBT (wlfare) cards will be accepted on Cruise Lines. They will not block those ATMs because they do not want to give the impression that people on welfare are taking Luxury Cruises... which they are.

Typical insecurities Boomer. She is unhappy with who she is and where she is from... so...she tries to bring others down... and keeps trying.

A wallflower at the dance...

Example...

"Look at her... can you believe she's wearing that... can you believe she's dancing with him...she thinks she so hot... lets get out of here and eat bonbons"

lmao...

Hey Gerry...

 

Cliffy

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Oh Cliffy... they do it on that as well. These are ATM cards. Straight cash from the pockets of the taxpayers.

Our handful of GOP reps wanted drug tests to be a condition of receiving these cards. Alas it was laughed out of committee. The Dems simply do not want to upset their base here in Massachusetts.

But fear not... EBT (wlfare) cards will be accepted on Cruise Lines. They will not block those ATMs because they do not want to give the impression that people on welfare are taking Luxury Cruises... which they are.
But you have no problem when your government spends billions on war, destroying other countries? Welfare is a drop in the bucket compared to the war machine. We could also get into trillions bailing out the banks and other criminals who destroyed your economy. Picking on welfare people is rather silly in comparison to the amount squandered in other areas, like politicians' paycheques, $250 toilet seats and hammers, etc. Kinda like sticking your finger in a dam with a foot wide crack in it.

Yup! Bash the poor while the bankers and politicians pick your pockets.
 

EagleSmack

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But you have no problem when your government spends billions on war, destroying other countries?

Yeah I do. You don't seem to have a problem with your country doing so.

Welfare is a drop in the bucket compared to the war machine.
BILLIONS is a drop in the bucket?

Oh well what the heck.

We could also get into trillions bailing out the banks and other criminals who destroyed your economy.
Oh I've screamed in here about corporate welfare as well.

Picking on welfare people is rather silly in comparison to the amount squandered in other areas, like politicians' paycheques, $250 toilet seats and hammers, etc. Kinda like sticking your finger in a dam with a foot wide crack in it.
I don't think it is silly at all. I don't think welfare as a way of life for people who really should be working but are too fat and lazy and happy living on the dole.

Yup! Bash the poor while the bankers and politicians pick your pockets.
The poor are picking my pockets too! I'd be gambling if the state was giving me free cash to do so. Alas... I work for a living and actually have to pay bills so money actually means something.
 

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Yup. The Gov was on the radio on the only show that is run by a couple "progressives". He's looking into it and has made great strides in welfare reform. Good grief.



Help me out there a bit my friend. Are you saying that it is ok to use welfare money on vacations, strip clubs etc.?

You are my friend, so I will be honest. Across North America, in every major city, there are the homeless, the marginalized, and the desperate. Many, but of course not all, are the addicted, the mentally ill, victims of FAS and PTSD, survivors of sexual, physical and mental abuse, the mentally and physically challenged, and the damn unlucky. Yes, the vast majority receive welfare, as they should in a compassionate society. Will some spend the money on the frivolous? Of course, but that is understandable. Should they? Of course not. But I thank my lucky stars...
By the way, if I were unemployed, and had a chance for employment, I might spend social assistance on personal grooming to enhance my chances.
There are always those to whom we can point and say "No damn way." But there is no viable alternative but offering support and hope.

O, could I touch you up for a fiver for beer?
 

Cliffy

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Yeah I do. You don't seem to have a problem with your country doing so.
And you have seen me having no problem with our actions in Libya? You know damn well that I have objected strenuously against it and continue to do so. I blame it on the cons for electing Bush Lite.

I am sure there are those who abuse the system, but there are far more, as Spade pointed out, who do need help and reforming the system, or gutting it like the Republicans would do, is not the answer.
 

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You are my friend, so I will be honest. Across North America, in every major city, there are the homeless, the marginalized, and the desperate. Many, but of course not all, are the addicted, the mentally ill, victims of FAS and PTSD, survivors of sexual, physical and mental abuse, the mentally and physically challenged, and the damn unlucky. Yes, the vast majority receive welfare, as they should in a compassionate society.

They sound like people that should be on welfare.

Will some spend the money on the frivolous? Of course, but that is understandable. Should they? Of course not. But I thank my lucky stars...
By the way, if I were unemployed, and had a chance for employment, I might spend social assistance on personal grooming to enhance my chances.
There are always those to whom we can point and say "No damn way." But there is no viable alternative but offering support and hope.

O, could I touch you up for a fiver for beer?

But you don't get to see what we see. Sure, the homeless, disabled, mentally ill... all worthy of compassion and welfare.

But what we see are big SUVs, flat screens, perfectly able bodied people just living the life. Fattened by free food and lots of it... Section 8 vouchers that make $1800 apartments affordable as the bulk is subsidized. I grew up around it... see it all the time. Here in Massachusetts some even get free cars with free insurance. Going on vacations... all taxpayer subsidized as their EBT cards are showing up in all the vacation hot spots.

Do you know that Obama's Aunt lives in provided housing... collecting full benefits... and she's been given a deportation order. However she just ignores it and says she feels entitled to all this welfare because we're willing to give it to her. She gave us a thumb to the nose.

"I didn't create the system... you did. So if I'm getting all this for free then you must think it is ok."
 

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Those who believe there actually could be world peace ......... are completely ignorant or in denial regarding the nature of humans.
Fixed it for you.

True... Rome did fall. Maybe someday America and Canada will fall as well. But there were wars before Rome and after. Just as with the fall of the Roman Empire there were wars and more wars. When the US is gone... there still will be wars.
Sadly we are a warring species... always have been and there is no end in sight.
Yep. Too many motives for annoying others and too many motives for retaliating against the annoying people.

The poor are picking my pockets too! I'd be gambling if the state was giving me free cash to do so. Alas... I work for a living and actually have to pay bills so money actually means something.
When people develop a society that is based upon gaining more and more money and make bad decisions about money, they should expect the bad with the good.
Like I keep saying, society is sick and has no sense of priorities or principles.
 

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And you have seen me having no problem with our actions in Libya? You know damn well that I have objected strenuously against it and continue to do so. I blame it on the cons for electing Bush Lite.

Oh well I thought since you were making assumptions about me that I am perfectly free to make some assumptions about you.



I am sure there are those who abuse the system, but there are far more, as Spade pointed out, who do need help and reforming the system, or gutting it like the Republicans would do, is not the answer.

It is rampant. Waste and fraud in the Welfare System is absolutely rampant.

Gutting? By that do you mean stopping welfare fraud? Is that considered gutting? Welfare reform most certinly is the solution to the problem of welfare fraud.

Stopping taxpayer subsidized strip joint and spa visits is not "mean spirited".
 

darkbeaver

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Oh well I thought since you were making assumptions about me that I am perfectly free to make some assumptions about you.





It is rampant. Waste and fraud in the Welfare System is absolutely rampant.

Gutting? By that do you mean stopping welfare fraud? Is that considered gutting? Welfare reform most certinly is the solution to the problem of welfare fraud.

Stopping taxpayer subsidized strip joint and spa visits is not "mean spirited".

I've heard these same stories about welfare bums for forty years. Here it goes, if you want to end the abuse, which is always exagerated, you will require a functioning beurocrazy several times larger than the present one and they'll curtail the fraud by conducting the theft themselves. You would be best advised to leave the theft to amateurs and not involve the services of the better educated and organized criminals.
 

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Luke 6:20-21. Blessed are you who are poor, for yours in the kingdom of God. Blessed are you who hunger now, for you shall be satisfied. Blessed are you who weep now, for you shall laugh. Blame not the poor for their spending; tanning salons reflect G-d's light.
 

darkbeaver

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Smack is a patriotic Imperialists who hates the poor cuz they git free government beer sometimes. Poor people with some money is good for the economy. The relief is usually spent in the community and relieves someone else, eventually it gets to Walmart and they ship it overseas and buy good quality foriegne junk.