Tories on e-snooping: ‘Stand with us or with the child pornographers’

Tonington

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Interesting as that thread is, I see it's full of the same bluster, deflection and baseless accusations as this thread.

Forums are great for bluster, we could probably run our HVAC here at work with all the bluster this forum gets :lol:

The one constant between the two issues here is folks like Michael Geist. He can be wrong of course, but as I say I'm not savvy enough to know.
 

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:)

Seriously - they're trying to defend this bill, but it's full of holes, much like the omnibus crime bill. This government needs to accept the bit of criticism it gets and just change up the policy.

No one will think worse of them for it.

Shhhhhh the Conservative youth camps are next.
 

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All hot air, all the time?

Not very comfy in July.

:lol: No that wouldn't be nice. I guess I could expand on that. We have some level 3 labs. For biocontainment and safety, we have ventilation that creates negative pressure in the labs, so that when a door is opened there is no outward flow of air from the labs. Requires a lot of air to move-that's the blustery part :D- and eventually it ends up passing through a HEPA filter the size of a full-sized pick-up truck.
 

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Read it and weep,

Online surveillance bill opens door for Big Brother - Politics - CBC News

Funny, the language of sections 33 and 34 is practically identical to the "inspection" provisions of the Firearms Act.

Except that gun owners are in their private homes, and in addition must answer all the "inspector's" questions, or face two years in jail.

But I'm paranoid for getting upset about THAT!!!

Anyway, neither is acceptable, hopefully neither Act will survive the SCOC.

As it is, I expect this act to be radically amended due to the (very proper) outrage it has generated.
 

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:lol: No that wouldn't be nice. I guess I could expand on that. We have some level 3 labs. For biocontainment and safety, we have ventilation that creates negative pressure in the labs, so that when a door is opened there is no outward flow of air from the labs. Requires a lot of air to move-that's the blustery part :D- and eventually it ends up passing through a HEPA filter the size of a full-sized pick-up truck.
That must have quite the carbon footprint.
 

Liberalman

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Read it and weep,

Online surveillance bill opens door for Big Brother - Politics - CBC News

Funny, the language of sections 33 and 34 is practically identical to the "inspection" provisions of the Firearms Act.

Except that gun owners are in their private homes, and in addition must answer all the "inspector's" questions, or face two years in jail.

But I'm paranoid for getting upset about THAT!!!

Anyway, neither is acceptable, hopefully neither Act will survive the SCOC.

As it is, I expect this act to be radically amended due to the (very proper) outrage it has generated.

Due to the advancements of technology and miniaturization to keep us connected it is easier to follow people and hear what they are saying and government likes this so if you don’t want to be followed by government stop using the internet and social media like that’s really going to happen. Get used to it and don’t break the law and the government will never bother you.
 

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So we e-signed a few petitions against this Con Crap and actually got a reply from Toews office:
Thank you for contacting my office regarding Bill C-30, the Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act.



Canada's laws currently do not adequately protect Canadians from online exploitation and we think there is widespread agreement that this is a problem.



We want to update our laws while striking the right balance between combating crime and protecting privacy.



Let me be very clear: the police will not be able to read emails or view web activity unless they obtain a warrant issued by a judge and we have constructed safeguards to protect the privacy of Canadians, including audits by privacy commissioners.



What's needed most is an open discussion about how to better protect Canadians from online crime. We will therefore send this legislation directly to Parliamentary Committee for a full examination of the best ways to protect Canadians while respecting their privacy.



For your information, I have included some myths and facts below regarding Bill C-30 in its current state.



Sincerely,



Vic Toews

Member of Parliament for Provencher





Myth: Lawful Access legislation infringes on the privacy of Canadians.



Fact: Our Government puts a high priority on protecting the privacy of law-abiding Canadians. Current practices of accessing the actual content of communications with a legal authorization will not change.



Myth: Having access to basic subscriber information means that authorities can monitor personal communications and activities.



Fact: This has nothing to do with monitoring emails or web browsing. Basic subscriber information would be limited to a customer’s name, address, telephone number, email address, Internet Protocol (IP) address, and the name of the telecommunications service provider. It absolutely does not include the content of emails, phones calls or online activities.



Myth: This legislation does not benefit average Canadians and only gives authorities more power.



Fact: As a result of technological innovations, criminals and terrorists have found ways to hide their illegal activities. This legislation will keep Canadians safer by putting police on the same footing as those who seek to harm us.



Myth: Basic subscriber information is way beyond “phone book information”.



Fact: The basic subscriber information described in the proposed legislation is the modern day equivalent of information that is in the phone book. Individuals frequently freely share this information online and in many cases it is searchable and quite public.



Myth: Police and telecommunications service providers will now be required to maintain databases with information collected on Canadians.



Fact: This proposed legislation will not require either police or telecommunications service providers to create databases with information collected on Canadians.



Myth: “Warrantless access” to customer information will give police and government unregulated access to our personal information.



Fact: Federal legislation already allows telecommunications service providers to voluntarily release basic subscriber information to authorities without a warrant. This Bill acts as a counterbalance by adding a number of checks and balances which do not exist today, and clearly lists which basic subscriber identifiers authorities can access.

Due to the advancements of technology and miniaturization to keep us connected it is easier to follow people and hear what they are saying and government likes this so if you don’t want to be followed by government stop using the internet and social media like that’s really going to happen. Get used to it and don’t break the law and the government will never bother you.
lmao If you believe that, you have fewer marbles than I thought you did.
Nothing ever happens to good, law-abiding citizens: Saanich police raid wrong house; family wants more than apology

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...uspect-arrest-banff-sex-assault-viscount.html
 
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Tonington

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That must have quite the carbon footprint.

Lots of what we do requires large energy inputs. The corporation invests heavilly in mitigations. The pay-back period for nearly two-thirds of the projects, such as improvements in HVAC efficiency with better control elements and software, is two years. Cutting the power bill for one site by 20% is a pretty good incentive to invest in such efficient technologies.
 

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Says a lot about how bad it's getting when the conbots are trying to spin this into other freedoms or even environmentalism.

The directive is pretty clear now. They have to get rid of this retarded bill.
 

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Seems to me there is a little over reaction to Toews. You gotta watch you "don't throw out the baby with the bath water". His intent was good, to curtail baby diddlers and kiddy porn artists- the execution was questionable. At least he has the balls to try.
 

gerryh

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Seems to me there is a little over reaction to Toews. You gotta watch you "don't throw out the baby with the bath water". His intent was good, to curtail baby diddlers and kiddy porn artists- the execution was questionable. At least he has the balls to try.

It doesn't take balls to prey on the fears of the general population to open a back door for police to infringe on our personal rights and freedoms. I'm not willing to give up my privacy just so the police can go on fishing expiditions.
 

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Seems to me there is a little over reaction to Toews. You gotta watch you "don't throw out the baby with the bath water". His intent was good, to curtail baby diddlers and kiddy porn artists- the execution was questionable. At least he has the balls to try.


He could have at least read the bill before trying. If you can't do that, it's not much of a try.
 

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Says a lot about how bad it's getting when the conbots are trying to spin this into other freedoms or even environmentalism.

The directive is pretty clear now. They have to get rid of this retarded bill.

What Conbots are doing this spin??????????????????????????

Lawful Access: Vic Toews sides with

Matt Gurney: After careful consideration, Vic Toews sides with ‘child pornographers’
 

JLM

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It doesn't take balls to prey on the fears of the general population to open a back door for police to infringe on our personal rights and freedoms. I'm not willing to give up my privacy just so the police can go on fishing expiditions.

I tend to agree with you but so many of these bastards are slipping through cracks in the system due to technicalities (and disreputable lawyers). The "playing field" HAS to be levelled somehow.
 

gerryh

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I tend to agree with you but so many of these bastards are slipping through cracks in the system due to technicalities (and disreputable lawyers). The "playing field" HAS to be levelled somehow.


And how is being able to snoop on you and I going to change that?

I also assume you would like the lawyers to NOT do their job