:read:...that part wasn't specifically addressing what you said, hence why the sentence begins with "But as far as the point of this thread..."
When did you choose to be mesmerized and obsessed with her? :lol:
Nature, Nurture, or Choice?
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:read:...that part wasn't specifically addressing what you said, hence why the sentence begins with "But as far as the point of this thread..."
When did you choose to be mesmerized and obsessed with her? :lol:
About a second after I first laid eyes on her. Her name was Donna, her sister Diane was in my grade but she wasn't as good looking.
Well I'd say we've run out of race track on this. I gotta go do some real life stuff.
Catch yuh on the flip side.
That doesn't mean it's wrong, you at least concede it's logical, and I think it's right, obviously, or I wouldn't have made the argument. .
I'm saying that calling homosexuality unnatural is a moral judgment about how things ought to be, not a statement about how things are. It's trivially true that it's certainly not the norm, most people aren't homosexual, but it occurs throughout the animal kingdom, so pretty much by definition it must be natural. I've found lots of arguments trying to explain it in evolutionary terms, but by itself it may be evolutionarily neutral for all we know. Not everybody has to reproduce to ensure species survival, it may just be part of a larger genetic package we haven't teased out the full significance of yet. One of the references I found, for instance, suggests that siblings of homosexual people, who thus have part of the same genetic package, may have somewhat greater reproductive success, and it doesn't take much of an advantage in reproduction to ensure the propagation of an allele over evolutionary time scales. It's extremely improbable that there'd be a single gene for homosexuality, genes operate in very complex and subtle interactions with other genes, and that's the environment natural selection operates on. The genes that survive are the ones that are good at cooperating with other genes, among many other reasons, and it's certainly feasible that sometimes those complex interactions manifest as homosexuality in some people.
Before I reply, could someone please describe the video for me....I don't have youtube rights at work. Thanks.
Essentially, it asks people if they think being gay is a choice or not. Those who say they think it's a choice, are then asked if they can recall when they chose to be straight.
All of this is a moral judgement based on our society. It has nothing to do with what is 'natural'.
Okay. I think I've reached the end of my argument. At this point we are mincing words.
Thanks Karrie! OMHO, it's in vogue right now so anybody "cool" is either gay (naturally of course) or friends with gays or talking about gay issues. My son is gay, my cousin was gay and committed suicide at age 30 because the family rejected him (years ago). My nephew is gay. I don't know that any of them chose, like heteros, it just happens. You start liking someone, hope to kiss them, touch them, hug them, and well, you know the rest. It really just happens I think. I had some bi-sexual experiences in my 20's....can't say I couldn't have gone either way. I knew a guy who was very colorful, walked the gay walk and talked the gay talk, yet he was happily married! Go figure!
I wouldn't know, I usually succumb to the demand. And never regret it or feel shame.
Not supposed to lick your children. Poor hygiene for one thing and we will let it go at that.
I'm not mincing anything, I'm trying to understand your point. But I agree with you that you've reached the end of your argument.
Hey aren't you the Tenpenny that posted on Christian discussion a while back? My, how your grammar and spelling has improved (wink, wink). You wanna see something weird? Google, animal homosexuality and look up what Wikepedia says. Hey, I still believe that it's natural since our human nature is sinful anyway. This homosexual behavior (tendancy) whatever you want to call it, is a sin in the bible and is still a sin today but no more sinful than smoking cigarettes or lying.
If you read the story about Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, it was at the fall of man that we were separated from God and cursed by Him. So was our planet and every living thing upon it including plants and animals, etc. Everything is cursed and degenerating, as we speak. Before the fall, nothing rotted, there were no thorns, nothing bad ever happened. We had eternal bliss upon this very planet. After Adam and Eve ate the forbidden fruit (no pun intended) they were exiled from the Garden of Eden and it was proven that their very nature was sinful.
We'll have to go to another forum for that question and I'd be glad to answer any questions you have. However, if you read the forum rules above your reply you will notice that we are to keep this thread on topic and hence, my post remains as such. By referencing the story of Adam and Eve I was merely underlining my opinion that homosexuality is as "natural" as the sinful nature and no more so than a little white lie. BTW, the opposite of "proof" is faith.
Doesn't recognize the cataclismic events that wiped out 90% of all living things on several occasions. Anyway, you know it was a fairy tale, so really not worth much in the greater scheme of things. The bible is full of incest and homosexuality, which should prove to believers that it is perfectly natural.