Israeli airstrikes kill 9 militants in Gaza

earth_as_one

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For the record, I don't support either side's violence in this conflict. I do recognize that Palestinians suffer oppression and injustice and that Zionist ethnic cleansing is the root cause of this conflict. I support non-violent means for freedom and justice only:

Example:
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...Israel never starts the fighting. It is always in retaliation for some muzzie terrorist lobbing bombs into Jewish communities. Palestine should consider its self fortunate that Israel is a model of restraint and does not simply flatten a palestinian community every time some terrorist lobs a bomb into Jewish territory.
Ridiculous. I just posted two weeks of Israeli violent attacks against Palestinians which preceded the Palestinian rocket attacks.
 

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For the record, I don't support either side's violence in this conflict. I do recognize that Palestinians suffer oppression and injustice and that Zionist ethnic cleansing is the root cause of this conflict. I support non-violent means for freedom and justice only:

Example:
bilin-village.org | Discover Bil'in

Ridiculous. I just posted two weeks of Israeli violent attacks against Palestinians which preceded the Palestinian rocket attacks.

Yes but you conveniently neglected to post all the terrorist attacks on Israel.
 

Just the Facts

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Our news rarely reports Israeli attacks against Palestinians. Instead it takes a pro-Israeli slant and portrays Palestinians as guilty/evil and Israelis as innocent/good.

Where? I've seen you post that many times. Can you give us a "for instance" of this bias in our media?

This conflict is fundamentally about the removal of Palestinians from Palestine in order to create a pure Jewish state. Our government unshakable supports the related Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity in support of purifying this area of people God didn't choose.


lol not according to the people you claim are being "cleansed"! :)

Al-Zahar has been equally clear as to his plans for the Jews after Palestine is “liberated”: “We are no weaker or less honorable than the peoples that expelled and annihilated the Jews. The day we expel them is drawing near…We have learned the lesson – there is no place for you among us, and you have no future among the nations of the world. You are headed to annihilation.”

Voices of Palestine: Mahmoud al-Zahar | FrontPage Magazine

Hint: he's not talking about the Arabs being annihlated.

Ridiculous. I just posted two weeks of Israeli violent attacks against Palestinians which preceded the Palestinian rocket attacks.

Ridiculous? lol I had to go back, back, baaaaaaaccccccckkkkkkk, ....ONE DAY to prove your claim false. :)


Palestinians in Gaza fired three Grad rockets at southern Israel on Wednesday evening that landed near Ashdod and Bnei Aish. Also Wednesday, an IDF patrol was struck by a roadside bomb near Efrat in the West Bank.

IDF responds to rocket fire, targets Gaza terr... JPost - Defense

That's Wednesday, as in October 26.
 

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Speaking of the Middle East, it reminds me of a story about an Indian from Canada traveling to Israel. When he landed there he was asked whether he wanted to meet Arabs or Israelis. He said, "Israelis of course, I want to meet the people who got their land back after a thousand years."

Some pre-modern people never ever let go of history. Which is one reason why Indians in Canada should have their reserves turned into cities and become Canadians. There's no sense supporting and paying for what could be a huge problem one day in the future.
 

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lol. Lucky for him, he didn't really have to choose, he could easily meet both in Israel. Now if he had been in Jordon, Lebanon, Gaza, Syria, ...... :)

But remember, Israel is the apartheid state! lol :)
 

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Why shouldn´*t the palestinians face their enemies? They are on the front line of western terrorism and imperialism?

Because the "Palestinians" are not morally equivalent to the Israelis. "Palestinian" terrorists PURPOSELY target innocent civilian life, whereas the Israelis make the DISTINCTION between civilians and militants and LIMIT their military operations:

Hamas Exploitation of Civilians as Human Shields - YouTube

Look into the faces of these children. They're dead! Those of us who know better, know who the real murderers are!

Over 100 Children Murdered by Palestinian Terrorists - YouTube

Lastly in answer to your question, because there's no such thing as a "Palestinian". "Palestine" is a politically-motivated myth. These are Arabs who don't hate the Jews because of Israel, they hate Israel because of the Jews. Nothing but old-fashioned hatred of Jews.
 

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Yes but you conveniently neglected to post all the terrorist attacks on Israel.

The question was who attacked first. I don't have to reference a single Palestinian attack to prove that Israel was bombing and killing people in Gaza before the militant rocket attack.

IS claimed the militants attacked first a few days earlier. Yet he neglected to reference a single one of the escalating Israeli attacks against Palestinians during the previous two weeks which killed a dozen people and wounded 8. How come you didn't criticize him for that neglect?

But if you believe the militants attacked first, perhaps you can list the militant attacks which preceded these recent Israeli attacks. I've demonstrated that Israel bombed Gaza pretty much daily for the previous two weeks before the militants fired rockets back. That would put the ball in your court. Now you would have to prove that Israel's two week bombardment of Gaza was triggered by a militant attack three weeks ago. Good luck! As far as I know, that didn't happen, but I suppose its possible that our news didn't report it.

As far as news objectivity is concerned, consider that Israel's previous two week bombardment of Gaza never made our news, even though it resulted in 12 deaths and 5 injuries. Yet a militant attack which kills 1 and injures 4 made our headlines. Also at the time the militants fired their first rocket, Israel was already bombing Gaza. So its kind of twisted to claim that Israel bombed Gaza in response to attacks which hadn't happened yet. Even Israel doesn't make that claim. They claimed to have bombed the militants as they were setting up their rockets, which may or may not be true. However even according to the Israeli timeline, Israeli mushroom clouds had already formed over Gaza before the first Palestinian rocket came back at Israel.

For the record, I oppose violence. I oppose militant attacks against Israeli civilians. I oppose Israeli attacks against Palestinian civilians. I also oppose supporting one side's war criminals over the others'.
 
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Obviously you do not have the facts straight. The 'old guard' was being removed in Afghanistan, they were the ones who operated much like the Shaw of Iran (1953-1979 ) did which means full support from the US. The reforms taking place were in accordance with UN human rights documents that were more or less signed by all member Nations of the UN. The headway Afghanistan was making was in line with those documents and the US was the reason they were not fully implemented. To be quite blunt the US was fully responsible for the needed changes never taking place as they were activily funding the very same people who were the ones doing the things you are so disgusted with.

How hypocritical can you be? It seems to know no bounds.

What old guard, Afghanistan had no so called old guard, when Russia took over, the U.S. saw it's chance to defeat Russia. Read the book "Charlie's War" if you really want to see how the U.S. got involved and what small but important mistake we made.

Daoud's Republic (1973-78 ) and the April 1978 Coup
Amid charges of corruption and malfeasance against the royal family and poor economic conditions created by the severe 1971-72 drought, former Prime Minister Daoud seized power in a military coup on July 17, 1973. Zahir Shah fled the country, eventually finding refuge in Italy. Daoud abolished the monarchy, abrogated the 1964 constitution, and declared Afghanistan a republic with himself as its first President and Prime Minister. His attempts to carry out badly needed economic and social reforms met with little success, and the new constitution promulgated in February 1977 failed to quell chronic political instability. Seeking to exploit more effectively mounting popular disaffection, the PDPA reunified with Moscow's support. On April 27, 1978, the PDPA initiated a bloody coup, which resulted in the overthrow and murder of Daoud and most of his family. Nur Muhammad Taraki, Secretary General of the PDPA (People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan), became President of the Revolutionary Council and Prime Minister of the newly established Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. And the rest is what happened leading up to today.
http://www.historyofnations.net/asia/afghanistan.html
 

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Actually, our new coverage usually covers the Palestinians when Isreal attacks in some way, thus, (purposely, in my opinion) making the Isreali's the bad guys . There are constant pictures in the paper about how Palestinians are either killed or injured and RARELY about how the Isreali's were attacked or showing Isreali's killed or injured. Unfortunately, the news coverage isn't about telling both sides of the story or even what transpired prior to said attacks. It's shameful!

As for what the Palestinian newspapers say, they're biased as well.

JMHO
 

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For the record, I oppose violence. I oppose militant attacks against Israeli civilians. I oppose Israeli attacks against Palestinian civilians. I also oppose supporting one side's war criminals over the others'.

Notice how this is his favorite catch phrase and disclaimer....typical EAO MO.

He could put this in every single one of his posts and only a few obtuse people would believe it:lol:
 

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What old guard, Afghanistan had no so called old guard, when Russia took over, the U.S. saw it's chance to defeat Russia. Read the book "Charlie's War" if you really want to see how the U.S. got involved and what small but important mistake we made.

Daoud's Republic (1973-78 ) and the April 1978 Coup
Amid charges of corruption and malfeasance against the royal family and poor economic conditions created by the severe 1971-72 drought, former Prime Minister Daoud seized power in a military coup on July 17, 1973. Zahir Shah fled the country, eventually finding refuge in Italy. Daoud abolished the monarchy, abrogated the 1964 constitution, and declared Afghanistan a republic with himself as its first President and Prime Minister. His attempts to carry out badly needed economic and social reforms met with little success, and the new constitution promulgated in February 1977 failed to quell chronic political instability. Seeking to exploit more effectively mounting popular disaffection, the PDPA reunified with Moscow's support. On April 27, 1978, the PDPA initiated a bloody coup, which resulted in the overthrow and murder of Daoud and most of his family. Nur Muhammad Taraki, Secretary General of the PDPA (People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan), became President of the Revolutionary Council and Prime Minister of the newly established Democratic Republic of Afghanistan. And the rest is what happened leading up to today.
http://www.historyofnations.net/asia/afghanistan.html
Perhaps you should have read the rest of this interview.

[SIZE=-1]Brzezinski: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today?
Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.
Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?
Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?
Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.
Brzezinski: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.


[/SIZE] "Combine that with a slanted view in your link and the ones that were in power were fighting the 'old guard' and they were the ones who had ruled in a brutish way, the same brutality was being used against them. In a typical hypocritical way the 'old guard' was protrayed in the West as being the 'liberators' to a suppressive government. All a person has to do is look at the reforms that were actually taking place, land was being taken from the 'overlords' and being given to the people. sames as what happened in Cuba after the US was expelled. Look how the violence used against the Government of Libya was cheered by the West when it went far and above any violence that had been used against the civilians under the then ruling Government. If the lives of the civilians take a downturn from what they had before then the 'rebels' are the real totalitarians. Apply that to Afghanistan and the 'rebels' had control for a very short time and the rights and freedoms being extended to civilians was better than it had been and that is the Government that the US was against. Please spare me your obvious bull**** that comes in the form of a intentionally dishonest view of the facts.

Seeking to exploit more effectively mounting popular disaffection, the PDPA reunified with Moscow's support. On April 27, 1978, the PDPA initiated a bloody coup, which resulted in the overthrow and murder of Daoud and most of his family. Nur Muhammad Taraki, Secretary General of the PDPA, became President of the Revolutionary Council and Prime Minister of the newly established Democratic Republic of Afghanistan.
Opposition to the Marxist government emerged almost immediately. During its first 18 months of rule, the PDPA brutally imposed a Marxist-style "reform" program, which ran counter to deeply rooted Afghan traditions. Decrees forcing changes in marriage customs and pushing through an ill-conceived land reform were particularly misunderstood by virtually all Afghans. In addition, thousands of members of the traditional elite, the religious establishment, and the intelligentsia were imprisoned, tortured, or murdered. Conflicts within the PDPA also surfaced early and resulted in exiles, purges, imprisonments, and executions.
By the summer of 1978, a revolt began in the Nuristan region of eastern Afghanistan and quickly spread into a countrywide insurgency. In September 1979, Hafizullah Amin, who had earlier been Prime Minister and Minister of Defense, seized power from Taraki after a palace shootout. Over the next 2 months, instability plagued Amin's regime as he moved against perceived enemies in the PDPA. By December, party morale was crumbling, and the insurgency was growing. "

I'm trying to white-wash the takeover as being non-violent, you can't defeat a violent Government without being just as violent in the takeover. The difference is what happens after the takeover, for the 'old guard' repression was the norm, keeping the vast majority of the population in poverty and deprived of things that Canadians would take as fundamental rights was to be denied permanently. We certainly didn't show any abject horror to the hunting down and killing of Saddam or Gaddafi, no matter how many (innocent) people were killed in that quest. We even celebrated the kills in an ogreish fashion yet when it suits us we can be the exact oppostite, support brutal dictatorships to no end and support the mass killing of anybody who would dare 'revolt' against those powers.


Reforms and repression, 1978–1979

Once in power, the PDPA implemented a socialist agenda. It moved to promote state atheism.[6] The regime abolished Muslim laws and encouraged men to cut off their beards. Women were no longer allowed to wear the Burqa, and mosques were placed off limits during the reforms. The mosques re-opened in the 80s, because the party tried to win more supporters. It carried out an ambitious land reform, waiving farmers' debts countrywide and abolishing usury — intended to release the poorer farmers from debt peonage.[7]
The government of the People's Democratic Party of Afghanistan moved to prohibit traditional practices which were deemed feudal in nature, including banning bride price (Mahr) and forced marriage. The minimum age for marriage was also raised. Education was stressed for both men and women and widespread literacy programmes were set up.[8] According to sources, in 1988, women made up 40 percent of the doctors and 60 percent of the teachers at the University of Kabul; 440,000 female students were enrolled in educational institutions and 80,000 more in literacy programs. Western dress was common in the cities, and women enjoyed freedom from having to cover their faces with veils.[9]


Such reforms however were not universally well-received, being viewed by many Afghans (particularly in rural areas) as the imposition of secular western values considered to be alien to Afghan culture and un-Islamic. As had happened earlier in the century, resentment with the government's programme and the manner in which it was imposed, along with widespread repression, provoked a backlash from tribal and Islamic leaders.[8]
The PDPA invited the Soviet Union to assist in modernizing its economic infrastructure (predominantly its exploration and mining of rare minerals and natural gas). The USSR also sent contractors to build roads, hospitals and schools and to drill water wells; they also trained and equipped the Afghan army. In April 1978, the USSR delivered to Afghanistan free of charge 45 BTR-65 PB armored personnel carriers with ammunition; 26 combat radios for border troops; 10,000 Kalashnikov rifles (AK); and 5,000 Makarov pistols (PM) with ammunition, totalling about 6.3 million rubles.[10] Upon the PDPA's ascension to power, and the establishment of the DRA, the Soviet Union promised monetary aid amounting to at least $1.262 billion.


(much more at the link)

Democratic Republic of Afghanistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 

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Notice how this is his favorite catch phrase and disclaimer....typical EAO MO.

He could put this in every single one of his posts and only a few obtuse people would believe it:lol:

If this conflict was a sporting event, then it might make sense to cheer for one side or the other. It must really baffle you when someone refuses to support either side's war criminals.

Actually, our new coverage usually covers the Palestinians when Isreal attacks in some way, thus, (purposely, in my opinion) making the Isreali's the bad guys . There are constant pictures in the paper about how Palestinians are either killed or injured and RARELY about how the Isreali's were attacked or showing Isreali's killed or injured. Unfortunately, the news coverage isn't about telling both sides of the story or even what transpired prior to said attacks. It's shameful!

As for what the Palestinian newspapers say, they're biased as well.

JMHO

If you believe our news cover Israeli attacks, then it shouldn't be too hard for you to find a report from a Canadian new source regarding one of the 17 Israeli airstrikes I referenced above which killed a dozen Palestinians and preceded the militant rocket attack. I'm pretty certain none did, but feel free to try to prove me wrong.
 

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If this conflict was a sporting event, then it might make sense to cheer for one side or the other. It must really baffle you when someone refuses to support either side's war criminals.

The only thing that baffles me is that you actualy believe your own bullshyte.....

And then again I might be wrong because it's actualy something we've come to expect from you.:lol:
 

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For the record, I don't support either side's violence in this conflict.
Yes you do...

Right here...

I do recognize that Palestinians suffer oppression and injustice and that Zionist ethnic cleansing is the root cause of this conflict.
Where you make excuses for violence.

I support non-violent means for freedom and justice only:
So you say. Right after you make an excuse for their violence.

I also oppose supporting one side's war criminals over the others'.
For the record. I've already proven that to be a lie.

It must really baffle you when someone refuses to support either side's war criminals.
I know it baffles you, when people point out your double standards, and BS.
 

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If you believe our news cover Israeli attacks, then it shouldn't be too hard for you to find a report from a Canadian new source regarding one of the 17 Israeli airstrikes I referenced above which killed a dozen Palestinians and preceded the militant rocket attack. I'm pretty certain none did, but feel free to try to prove me wrong.

Well, none reported that for sure, since that's not what happened, as has been made quite clear above by Ironsides post and my own. Why do you ignore that? You know now that the rocket attacks preceded the Israeli attacks, yet you continue to claim the opposite. Why is that?
 

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Actually, our new coverage usually covers the Palestinians when Isreal attacks in some way, thus, (purposely, in my opinion) making the Isreali's the bad guys . There are constant pictures in the paper about how Palestinians are either killed or injured and RARELY about how the Isreali's were attacked or showing Isreali's killed or injured. Unfortunately, the news coverage isn't about telling both sides of the story or even what transpired prior to said attacks. It's shameful!

As for what the Palestinian newspapers say, they're biased as well.

JMHO
Like I said, Israeli attacks which kill and injure Palestinians don't make our news until Palestinians responds. Creating a common erroneous perception that Israel is defending themselves as they cleanse Palestine of Palestinians. Our government unshakably supports this injustice.

Canada, Israel to bolster militaries
 

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Like I said, Israeli attacks which kill and injure Palestinians don't make our news until Palestinians responds. Creating a common erroneous perception that Israel is defending themselves as they cleanse Palestine of Palestinians. <<<<>>>> Our government unshakably supports this injustice.

Canada, Israel to bolster militaries

The second part of your statement and the supporting link....is probably because the first part is
 

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Like I said, Israeli attacks which kill and injure Palestinians don't make our news until Palestinians responds. Creating a common erroneous perception that Israel is defending themselves as they cleanse Palestine of Palestinians. Our government unshakably supports this injustice.

Canada, Israel to bolster militaries

Israel is not the first one to attack, they haven't done that in years. Israel just responds to Palestinians terror attacks. The so called innocents should drive the terrorists away if they want to avoid bloodshed.


Glad Canada has finally figured out who is at fault.